Author Topic: Nine wolves found dead during gun deer season (Read 14011 times)

buck460XVR · « **Reply #120 on:** January 09, 2010, 07:54:19 AM »

Quote from: mogwai on January 08, 2010, 05:16:36 PM

Quote from: Doug B. on December 31, 2009, 06:16:12 AM
My opinion.....There is no need for any animal to suffer, any animal. Yes, I do hunt as well as dispose of unwanted vermin. I do it humanely. My father taught me shoot to kill and kill as fast as I can. My conscience tells me that this is the proper thing to do. Disagree with me if you want. Am I wrong, do I have a "bad" conscience or do I just not "fit in" with what appears to be the majority on this thread?
Ethics is doing the right thing when nobody is looking over your shoulder. Gut shooting bravado doesn't portray MY sport in a good light.

I am ashamed of the other "hunters" that represent us, Doug B.

Same here. Til this thread came about, I didn't realize we had this many "Bubbas" living and hunting here in Wisconsin. Again, just hard for me to believe that we have this many here that promote shooting any animal illegally and in a manner that makes it suffer unnecessarily. I know I didn't raise my kids that way.

Cheesehead · « **Reply #121 on:** January 09, 2010, 08:44:21 AM »

I would prefer a head shot.

Cheese

myronman3 · « **Reply #122 on:** January 09, 2010, 10:22:17 AM »

call me any name you want, try to take the moral highground all you want.

i am ashamed there are people like you out there that are such good little sheep that they do exactly as they are told as they are not able to see what is clearly before them. btw, i take care of feral creatures that are left loose to roam, too.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #123 on:** January 09, 2010, 10:28:36 AM »

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Nine wolves found dead during gun deer season

Oh, I think I'm gonna cry... sniff, sniff..

mogwai · « **Reply #124 on:** January 10, 2010, 03:06:48 PM »

Quote from: myronman3 on January 09, 2010, 10:22:17 AM

call me any name you want, try to take the moral highground all you want.

i am ashamed there are people like you out there that are such good little sheep that they do exactly as they are told as they are not able to see what is clearly before them. btw, i take care of feral creatures that are left loose to roam, too.

Since I don't know who you are responding to, I will take this one. I am not "doing as told," I am doing what I think is right. That is not crippling a wild animal to fulfill some lust If I decide to kill a predator...coyote, whatever..I will try to kill it cleanly. I hope to minimize suffering whenever I pull the trigger.
I hope that true sportsmen everywhere do the same. After having read this forum...I am not so sure...

myronman3 · « **Reply #125 on:** January 10, 2010, 05:02:25 PM »

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I am not "doing as told," I am doing what I think is right.

fair enough. you do what you think is right, i will do what i think is right.
people running their sewers, calling others "bubbas" doesnt sit right with me. that is the kind of thing a person should do face to face if they really feel the need to do so.

Dee · « **Reply #126 on:** January 10, 2010, 05:20:14 PM »

125 posts later, and ya'll ain't got them nine wolves buried yet?

myronman3 · « **Reply #127 on:** January 10, 2010, 05:43:05 PM »

trying to stack a few more up!

Cheesehead · « **Reply #128 on:** January 10, 2010, 05:50:02 PM »

They found nine dead wolves, I wonder what the real number is.

Cheese

Drilling Man · « **Reply #129 on:** January 11, 2010, 02:58:41 AM »

What ever it is, it won't be enough!

DM

kansasj · « **Reply #130 on:** January 11, 2010, 03:14:02 AM »

My third reply on this post but com'on guys, I think most of us are flattering ourselves when we speak of head shots, gut shots, etc. 95% of us are just glad to hit a yote at 200 yd much less select exactly where we are going to whack him. Also 95% of us would finish him off or put him out of his misery if we had a chance on a bad shot.
Predators do not kill pretty!! Most deaths are prolonged when predator ie. coyote, hawk, owl, snake, etc. meets prey so lets not get too rightous here and parade our ethics and judge each other!!
In lieu of the above we should be more focused on preserving our gun rights and all be on the same page--teamwork!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #131 on:** January 13, 2010, 03:12:17 AM »

It is truely easy to sit back in comfort and hidden by the internet and talk about morals and right . It however is a differen story when it is your land , your crop and your survival involved . The deer in many areas are considered a problem to crops . It seems man got rid of the wolf and had a place for livestock but some other humans that nither raised livestock nor live in the areas got togather and brought the wolf back . WHY ? If they like the wolf they should keep it at their home . Maybe they should take a lead from the RMEF and pay for damages caused by the wolf . There is a RMWF right ? There is a responsible group right ? This wasn't some knee jerk stunt was it ?

Buckskin · « **Reply #132 on:** January 13, 2010, 04:04:31 AM »

Quote from: kansasj on January 11, 2010, 03:14:02 AM

I think most of us are flattering ourselves when we speak of head shots, gut shots, etc. 95% of us are just glad to hit a yote at 200 yd much less select exactly where we are going to whack him.

Speak for yourself.

mogwai · « **Reply #133 on:** January 16, 2010, 04:46:25 PM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on January 13, 2010, 03:12:17 AM

It is truely easy to sit back in comfort and hidden by the internet and talk about morals and right . It however is a differen story when it is your land , your crop and your survival involved . The deer in many areas are considered a problem to crops . It seems man got rid of the wolf and had a place for livestock but some other humans that nither raised livestock nor live in the areas got togather and brought the wolf back . WHY ? If they like the wolf they should keep it at their home . Maybe they should take a lead from the RMEF and pay for damages caused by the wolf . There is a RMWF right ? There is a responsible group right ? This wasn't some knee jerk stunt was it ?

Ethics is what you do when nobody is watching. Is your survival dependent upon shooting wolves? I know that for some ranchers, the answer is "yes." I understand.

What is your answer?

Cheesehead · « **Reply #134 on:** January 16, 2010, 05:01:50 PM »

My survival is not dependant on the shooting of any game or vermin, so what is your point, ......

Cheese

mogwai · « **Reply #135 on:** January 16, 2010, 05:09:59 PM »

Quote from: Cheesehead on January 16, 2010, 05:01:50 PM

My survival is not dependant on the shooting of any game or vermin, so what is your point, ......

Cheese

Shooting wolves. What would you do if you saw one?

Cheesehead · « **Reply #136 on:** January 16, 2010, 05:16:49 PM »

According to your reasoning, if your survival is not at risk, no shooting allowed............. WHAT THE?

Cheese

mogwai · « **Reply #137 on:** January 16, 2010, 05:23:42 PM »

Quote from: Cheesehead on January 16, 2010, 05:16:49 PM

According to your reasoning, if your survival is not at risk, no shooting allowed............. WHAT THE?

Cheese

Yes. For federally listed species. Why did you shoot? How would you answer?

billy_56081 · « **Reply #138 on:** January 16, 2010, 05:29:35 PM »

I don't know about how Cheese would answer, but my answer would be "well of course I wouldn't shoot wolf thats's illegal",

mogwai · « **Reply #139 on:** January 16, 2010, 05:38:55 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on January 16, 2010, 05:29:35 PM

I don't know about how Cheese would answer, but my answer would be "well of course I wouldn't shoot wolf thats's illegal",

Ethics is what you do when nobody is watching. I thinhk you have painted your wagon....

Cheesehead · « **Reply #140 on:** January 17, 2010, 03:51:38 AM »

I am with Billy on this one.

Cheese

myronman3 · « **Reply #141 on:** January 17, 2010, 03:56:32 AM »

ethics, shmethics.

we are not talking about ethical hunting, we are talking about controling a very elusive animal that is devastating to the area it inhabits. which somehow has also become a political issue; so responsible management in a legal fashion is out the friggen window. wisconsin had a management plan in place and when they were delisted, put it into action. then some liberal judge somewhere put an end to it not based on any sound logic, but on emotion alone. we are WAY over healthy population numbers here, an you can argue "ethics" all you want; but it has nothing to do with ethics. i'll not submit to unjust laws and i will encourage the shooting of wolves to keep them in check.

it is one of two choices.... let the anti's and liberal rats who do nothing to protect and preserve the outdoors destroy everything sportsmen and conservation groups have worked for in the last 150 years; or drop the hammer and sss when you have the opportunity.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #142 on:** January 17, 2010, 07:21:48 AM »

I dont have a "dog" in this fight but down here, there are laws also that say you cant shoot peoples pet dogs. But there is also a law that says to protect your livestock you can shoot em! Now i'm not one to break standing law, cause after all we are a country of law, not men. That being said even when I shoot a pest on my place, I dont advertise it. I practice SSS and it ends there. So should it be for all "pests" Government protected or not!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #143 on:** January 17, 2010, 10:33:01 AM »

Would someone explain how ethics as defined in the dictionary applies to hunting ? Please list the definition as it applies not what you think it says .

Dee · « **Reply #144 on:** January 17, 2010, 12:47:26 PM »

Quote from: Oldshooter on January 17, 2010, 07:21:48 AM

I dont have a "dog" in this fight but down here, there are laws also that say you cant shoot peoples pet dogs. But there is also a law that says to protect your livestock you can shoot em! Now i'm not one to break standing law, cause after all we are a country of law, not men. That being said even when I shoot a pest on my place, I dont advertise it. I practice SSS and it ends there. So should it be for all "pests" Government protected or not!

Well about 143 posts later, know one has yet to bury those wolves and move on. Their dead for sure, but gettin smelly. Oldshooter it's seems like it's more fun to haggle than to dig.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #145 on:** January 17, 2010, 12:56:28 PM »

We'd have to bury them in snow DEE, the ground is frozen several feet down here right now.

But like I said before shooting a wolf is illegal so I'd never do such a thing.

Cheesehead · « **Reply #146 on:** January 17, 2010, 02:01:29 PM »

Ya, and i always drive 55 mph............

Cheese

Oldshooter · « **Reply #147 on:** January 17, 2010, 03:36:42 PM »

Quote from: Dee on January 17, 2010, 12:47:26 PM

Quote from: Oldshooter on January 17, 2010, 07:21:48 AM
I dont have a "dog" in this fight but down here, there are laws also that say you cant shoot peoples pet dogs. But there is also a law that says to protect your livestock you can shoot em! Now i'm not one to break standing law, cause after all we are a country of law, not men. That being said even when I shoot a pest on my place, I dont advertise it. I practice SSS and it ends there. So should it be for all "pests" Government protected or not!

Well about 143 posts later, know one has yet to bury those wolves and move on. Their dead for sure, but gettin smelly. Oldshooter it's seems like it's more fun to haggle than to dig.

Well Dee sometimes its so boring on a sunday afternoon, a fella has to find controversy where he can!

Dee · « **Reply #148 on:** January 17, 2010, 04:00:45 PM »

I guess so but, dead wolves?

Drilling Man · « **Reply #149 on:** January 17, 2010, 04:05:01 PM »

Quote from: Dee on January 17, 2010, 04:00:45 PM

I guess so but, dead wolves?

That's better than live ones!

DM