Author Topic: Nine wolves found dead during gun deer season (Read 14010 times)

Doug B. · « **Reply #30 on:** December 25, 2009, 02:28:53 AM »

Quote from: 1sourdough on December 25, 2009, 02:19:01 AM

Forget habitat, their bumping up against the social carrying capacity. People have had enough.

Ever wonder why they had a bounty on them years ago?

Dee · « **Reply #31 on:** December 25, 2009, 03:02:14 AM »

Quote from: Oldshooter on December 22, 2009, 03:59:09 PM

Heck pack em up and send em down here! Me and Dee and Markc will keep em on the run.... those that we dont hit anyway! its got to the point that when i go outback as soon as they hear my back door close the coyotes quit singing!

Same here Oldshooter. If I turn my porch light on they get quite. Wonder why?

Send us some of them Yankee wolves down here. The ground ain't frozen, and we'll tie the transponders to the Game Wardens truck.

buck460XVR · « **Reply #32 on:** December 25, 2009, 04:40:39 AM »

Whether you like wolves or not, and whether or not you believe the DNR numbers and/or their listing as endangered by the feds, the advocating of and condoning the illegal shooting of wildlife is not really(IMHO) the "High Road". Is this what we want to teach our kids and those new to the sport of hunting? That it's fine to bend/break the rules we don't agree with? Yep, it's fine to illegally shoot a wolf if you want, but turn in your neighbor that's puttin' out more bait than is allowed. Yep, it's fine to shoot a few minutes before or after legal shooting hours, or to take an antlerless deer from a different quota area than you have a tag for, but let's hang that SOB that shot that trophy buck with the aid of a spotlight the night before season. Yep, rules are for others and are fine when we agree with them, but when we don't.... it's fine to break them and tell others to do it also. Yeah, right.

There's a name for hunters like that and it ain't "sportsman".

Sorry guys, just like as gun owners, we need to support other gun owners that own guns we don't deem as necessary or correct for us....... we as hunters, need to support the idea that wildlife regs are to be followed by all, not just by those that agree with them. Someday soon there will be legal season on wolves and all of us may have the opportunity to try our luck at hunting them. But the illegal shooting of them only blemishes us hunters in the eyes of non-hunters and will only delay the process. My guess is in ten years when there is a lottery system in effect for wolf tags here in Wisconsin, that those that don't draw tags will blame those that shoot them outta season for the lack of permits..........

Cheesehead · « **Reply #33 on:** December 25, 2009, 07:28:53 AM »

I guess the "high road" is not for me, I am far from perfect, some what flawed.

Cheese

Duckdog · « **Reply #34 on:** December 25, 2009, 09:18:33 AM »

Roger That! From someone who lives in the north, and who has to worry about wolves killing my dogs when I'm out, and god knows what else, I will not condemn anyone for shooting one of those bast@@ds and will defineitely not sit here and defend the DNR for putting them here! I can think back not too far to when they dumped those damned fishers all over aound where I live. While they were dominant in the woods, I was hard pressed to see a partridge or even red squirrels. Now that they have been "controlled", things were finally starting to get back to normal, unitl they dumped the damn wolves loose. Now we have those to contend with.

I don't know where the people defending the DNR and they're messed up policies are from, but they are definitely not from where I live, as most people would like to see most of them canned.

As was stated above, wolves were erraticated for a reason.

Skunk · « **Reply #35 on:** December 25, 2009, 09:59:38 AM »

Quote from: Duckdog on December 25, 2009, 09:18:33 AM

I will not condemn anyone for shooting one of those bast@@ds and will defineitely not sit here and defend the DNR for putting them here!

Hi Duckdog,

I'm not trying to defend the DNR and I'm not 100% positive, but I don't think the DNR transplanted wolves to our state (please correct me if I'm mistaken) like they did for example with the wild turkeys. I'm thinking the wolves actually dispersed here from Minnesota and the U.P. when the wolves became protected in those areas by the Endangered Species Act of 1973, and the pack sizes increased. I could be wrong though. I'll have to look for the article I was reading about it.

I'm sure with you on the killing though. They kill our dogs, livestock, deer, elk, almost everything. Pretty soon we'll be fearing for the safety of our children.

1sourdough · « **Reply #36 on:** December 25, 2009, 10:10:24 AM »

Have you EVER seen the anti hunting crowd support re-establishment of a non predatory animal? Like elk in WI, or moose in the U.P. of MI? I can't remember them ever supporting that. I also wouldn't feel so strong about the wolf if they allowed a short season on them with state control. Even a legal bag limit of 25 or so would be a nice start.

beadlescomb · « **Reply #37 on:** December 25, 2009, 11:09:52 AM »

to me there is a difference between a game animal and a pest i group wolves coyotes and wild hogs all as pests along with hawks that kill alot of the rabbits around the house that i use to train the beagle pups it may not be legal to kill wolves or hawks but it is done every day

Duckdog · « **Reply #38 on:** December 25, 2009, 02:21:54 PM »

I may have not worded things right. What they do is trap the problem wolves and move them to other places. I know here, they trapped 17 out of a farmers fields north of Antigo, then moved them 30 miles south to the Menomminee Reservation. Some, they said, would come back, but some would stay where dumped. So, the northern wolves are just relocated to areas where they basically have better pickings.

I would agree, even a limited season would be better than none at all.

myronman3 · « **Reply #39 on:** December 25, 2009, 02:51:02 PM »

people have had enough of these damn things. the dnr and the feds have been ramming their garbage down our throats against our will, and it isnt making one bit of difference. people are fed up and quit talking and just started managing wolves themselves. nobody cares what you think, or how the public views it. a wolf is a target of opportunity, and everyone i know will jump at a chance to take them out.
so talk all you want, the people are done debating it and will let their trigger fingers do the talking on this subject.

379 Peterbilt · « **Reply #40 on:** December 25, 2009, 04:23:44 PM »

Quote from: Skunk on December 25, 2009, 09:59:38 AM

but I don't think the DNR transplanted wolves to our state (please correct me if I'm mistaken) like they did for example with the wild turkeys. I'm thinking the wolves actually dispersed here from Minnesota and the U.P. when the wolves became protected in those areas by the Endangered Species Act of 1973, and the pack sizes increased.

Skunk, you're correct, those mutts wondered down from Minn.

379 Peterbilt · « **Reply #41 on:** December 25, 2009, 04:34:48 PM »

Quote from: 1sourdough on December 25, 2009, 10:10:24 AM

Have you EVER seen the anti hunting crowd support re-establishment of a non predatory animal? Like elk in WI, or moose in the U.P. of MI? I can't remember them ever supporting that.

Again, another corectamundo on that sourdough. The hard core animal rights crowd is not so much for any increase in animals such as moose, deer, or elk as they are for supporting wolves that will likely kill off a hunters quarry, thereby eliminating human hunting opportunitys, as much as they can.

Animal rights peoples thinking is void of logic and common sense. I do aslo believe it's true that many AR people were abused as children. Which stands to reason why these people look to animals for their comfort and self being. The hard core AR pinheads are actually on record as stating they'd rather see a deer hunter get shot than a wolf. You can't make this sheet up. It's on par with most any leftist liberal democrat ideology. It truely is a mental disease IMO.

woodchukhntr · « **Reply #42 on:** December 26, 2009, 03:58:05 AM »

Gee officer, I thought that it was a big (really big) coyote. And there ain't no law against shooting them, is there?

kansasj · « **Reply #43 on:** December 26, 2009, 04:09:22 AM »

Gentlemen, we are all really saying the same thing---- Coyotes, Wolves, wild house cats etc need to be taken out whenever possible. We have a few do gooders that are picking flysh$t out of the pepper when it comes to morals and laws. Face it---the same person that says we should obey the law and not dust an occassional wolf probably went 5 mph over the speed limit on his way to work and he also broke the law. You have to break two laws to obey one nowadays.
These predators are survivors and the harder you try and eliminate them the more they adapt. We have areas in the U.S. where coyotes randomly wonder through urban neighborhoods. That is because their numbers have not been controled and they have not been taught respect.
Left to their own devices and ways they will devistate wildlife and domestic lifestock and pets.
There is a reason one feels so good when you shoot one of these critters----its because you know your doing the right thing!!

Duckdog · « **Reply #44 on:** December 26, 2009, 05:11:12 AM »

Well said. I personally think that until people look at this problem in a different light, things will ony get worse. You are also correct in that these critters can and need to learn that they are not the top of the food chain, as they are now.

ihookem · « **Reply #45 on:** December 26, 2009, 03:47:35 PM »

460 xlr, I know how you feel. I used to feel the same way about behaving respectfully so others will respect us. I have given up respecting everyone else in hopes they will respect me. No matter what we do they try to stop us. They oppose everything that rugged independent americans are proud of. It isn't about shooting wolves anymore. The wolf has become the icon of the most liberal and senseless wildlife management in history. In a way we are saying leave us alone but they won't so we go shoot their darling pet projects. Let states manage on our own, but no, Obama and his commies with their hot shot college degrees and federal judges that don't know a thing about wildlife management think they know better. This is our protest of ideals. because they don't trust us and want us to fear them. They are supposed to respect us but mock our life style instead. The left couldn't care less what is best for wildlife, they protest trapping, eating meat, hunting, fishing even burning wood to heat our homes. The only reason they oppose it is because they want to rule and intimidate us like we are unarmed peasants. I wonder if some day we will be so mad and intimidated that it slowly turns to small scale shoot outs and vandalizing liberal buildings like democrat campain offices, PETA buildings and so forth. Don't laugh, I remember it happening in Russia when the country collapsed. It happened in Iraq when Saddam's minders didn't show up to police the "peasants". Then they knew the government collapsed and then raided every gov. offfice in the country. Sorry if this is a little deep over some dead wolves.

beadlescomb · « **Reply #46 on:** December 26, 2009, 06:46:16 PM »

it seems that our country is headed in the direction mabe not in our lifetimes but likely in our kids or grandkids lifetimes

Buckskin · « **Reply #47 on:** December 27, 2009, 02:59:55 AM »

460 -
Where would America be if our Forefather's hadn't stood up unjust laws???
Just because it's the law doesn't make it right. If the people are willing to risk the penalties, more power to them.

crash87 · « **Reply #48 on:** December 27, 2009, 05:19:29 AM »

Quote from: buck460XVR on December 25, 2009, 04:40:39 AM

But the illegal shooting of them only blemishes us hunters in the eyes of non-hunters and will only delay the process. My guess is in ten years when there is a lottery system in effect for wolf tags here in Wisconsin, that those that don't draw tags will blame those that shoot them outta season for the lack of permits..........

Blemishes us in the eyes of the non-hunters? IF the non-hunters hate hunters now, they will not EVER like them. WHEN there is a LOTTERY system in effect..... Just another of the DNR money making schemes, more of our money they can waste. They can't wait for a season to screw up from the start as they will reap the benifits from the all mighty sportsmans dollar. After all, they need raises and such from their guarnteed jobs that they have proven over and over again that they are failiers at. But, of course, still have them. What's left they can use to mismanage everything for the sportsman.
"Sorry if this is a little deep over some dead wolves". yes it is a little deep over some dead wolves, but, 460, you are entitled to your ramblings as we all are, within reason of course, which it is. I like your resoning, not for what it is, but because I really don't know where it all came from. Quite the way with words I must say. Saddam,Russia, obama, WOLVES, Yes I must concur. CRASH87

BGRooster1 · « **Reply #49 on:** December 27, 2009, 11:26:27 AM »

Quote from: kansasj on December 26, 2009, 04:09:22 AM

Gentlemen, we are all really saying the same thing---- Coyotes, Wolves, wild house cats etc need to be taken out whenever possible. We have a few do gooders that are picking flysh$t out of the pepper when it comes to morals and laws. Face it---the same person that says we should obey the law and not dust an occassional wolf probably went 5 mph over the speed limit on his way to work and he also broke the law. You have to break two laws to obey one nowadays.
These predators are survivors and the harder you try and eliminate them the more they adapt. We have areas in the U.S. where coyotes randomly wonder through urban neighborhoods. That is because their numbers have not been controled and they have not been taught respect.
Left to their own devices and ways they will devistate wildlife and domestic lifestock and pets.
There is a reason one feels so good when you shoot one of these critters----its because you know your doing the right thing!!

Don't forget those stray and packs of dogs that kill just to kill.Most everything else will at least eat what it kills.As far as livestock goes.Get yourself a few head of Texas Longhorn cattle and watch the predators run.

Dee · « **Reply #50 on:** December 27, 2009, 12:20:34 PM »

The only problem with Longhorn bulls is, they will hunt you! I doubt though even the bulls would be much of a match for a "pack" of wolves.
As a youngster I used to wish they hadn't killed out all the wolves and panthers in my part of Texas, but as I got older I realized WHY they had done so. They did it so they themselves would starve.

hillbill · « **Reply #51 on:** December 27, 2009, 01:30:36 PM »

it was just natural for our forefathers to hunt and eliminate whatever kind of varmint was cutting into the slim profit margin they were making.thats just what we do.check your cattle tonight and then in the morning and see a previously alive calf half eaten by yotes and see if yu dont hunt them.that was a 500$ payday that is now worth nothing.we dont have a lot of problem with yotes killing calves but every once in awhile they get a weak one that might of survived without them eating them.thats the main reason wolves will never survive here in MO. too much of the shoot, shovel and shut up mentality.

deadrabbit · « **Reply #52 on:** December 27, 2009, 02:12:44 PM »

At least the wolves that were shot at but missed will be scared of people now, and may train their pups to be scared of people too. No open season on any predator can make them brave around people. And no open season on wolves will eventually cause wolves to attack people. Their numbers need to be controlled somehow, legal or not. The only one I feel sorry for is the hunter that gets caught doing it.

myronman3 · « **Reply #53 on:** December 27, 2009, 02:21:23 PM »

IF one were to get caught, they are still entitled to a jury trial. and if you find 12 people from around here, i think the odds are pretty high that there will be AT LEAST one wolf hater in there, and one vote is all you need to walk. if i were on a jury, i wouldnt care one bit if they had video footage of someone shooting an entire pack, that person would walk.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #54 on:** December 27, 2009, 02:23:02 PM »

I have seen a wolf in the wild withing 15 yars of me. It is amazing how large these predators are. Long legs and big feet.

Cheesehead · « **Reply #55 on:** December 27, 2009, 03:19:40 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on December 27, 2009, 02:23:02 PM

I have seen a wolf in the wild withing 15 yars of me. It is amazing how large these predators are. Long legs and big feet.

Did you get a shot at him?

Cheese

billy_56081 · « **Reply #56 on:** December 27, 2009, 03:36:56 PM »

Quote from: Cheesehead on December 27, 2009, 03:19:40 PM

Quote from: billy_56081 on December 27, 2009, 02:23:02 PM
I have seen a wolf in the wild withing 15 yars of me. It is amazing how large these predators are. Long legs and big feet.

Did you get a shot at him?

Cheese

That would be illegal

, actually no, I was at first in awe of him, and was actually waiting for him to walk up and sniff the bear bait then I would have givin him the old gut shot. But he never stopped just trotted through. What was really amazing about it i, the amount of noise he made coming through the woods, I was thinking a moose or a beef cow was coming. There were leaves crunching and even a few branches breaking. I knew it was not a bear because I have never heard one coming in.

banen · « **Reply #57 on:** December 27, 2009, 04:33:34 PM »

Smoke A Pack A Day! ... And we will still have too many.

myronman3 · « **Reply #58 on:** December 27, 2009, 08:05:06 PM »

shame on you billy!

sometimes you have to take a moving target. it isnt like the outdoor channel out there, where you have to have "that perfect angle". and you werent looking for a clean kill, either. no more excuses. next time i want to hear a better ending to a story like that.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #59 on:** December 28, 2009, 02:34:03 AM »

We don't have a wolf around here but hawks are seen in the same light . The fine is high for shooting them but many still die . Now there are hawks flying around with radio transmitters on them ( know a fellow that got caught shooting one because he took it home ) . seems bears around here also are so equiped . Anyway if the wolf is so equiped it could lead to arrest . Here they shoot hawks with ground hog rifles and never walk up to it .