Author Topic: shoot down Israeli jets. (Read 7856 times)

ms · « **on:** September 22, 2009, 01:21:37 PM »

Zbigniew Brzezinski said the United States should make clear that it will attack Israeli jets if they fly over Iraq on their way to attack Iran.
“We are not exactly impotent little babies,” said Brzezinski, national security adviser during the Carter administration, in an interview with The Daily Beast Web site when asked how aggressive President Obama can be in telling Israel that a military strike in Iran is not in America’s interest. “They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch?
“We have to be serious about denying them that right,” continued Brzezinski, who endorsed Obama early in the Democratic primary but was not an official adviser to the campaign. “That means a denial where you aren’t just saying it. If they fly over, you go up and confront them. They have the choice of turning back or not. No one wishes for this but it could be a Liberty in reverse.”
Israeli forces mistakenly attacked the USS Liberty during the 1967 Six-Day War.

Questor · « **Reply #1 on:** September 22, 2009, 01:32:11 PM »

Sounds typical of that moron.

Casull · « **Reply #2 on:** September 22, 2009, 01:37:10 PM »

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Sounds typical of that moron.

Yep. They would be doing us a favor.

rio grande · « **Reply #3 on:** September 22, 2009, 02:11:30 PM »

Israel is the major destabilizing factor in the mid-east.
When they dispose of their nuclear arsenal then maybe they can talk.
Iran did sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty and invites Inspectors from the UN.
Israel has done no such thing, indeed 'denies' it has the nuclear bombs everyone knows it has.
The hypocrisy stinks to high heaven.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel

Questor · « **Reply #4 on:** September 22, 2009, 02:31:41 PM »

Well, I do have to agree that planning to put a Jewish nation in the middle of the Arab world was an act of phenomenal stupidity in the sense that it guarantees perpetual conflict. They must have realized they were going to be in a state of eternal war.

Questor · « **Reply #5 on:** September 22, 2009, 02:51:26 PM »

I recently read a book about the founding of modern Israel and the claim was made that the would-be Israelis never anticipated more than slight resistance. I simply could not believe that.

Casull · « **Reply #6 on:** September 22, 2009, 03:02:37 PM »

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Israel is the major destabilizing factor in the mid-east.

By way of its existence?

Questor · « **Reply #7 on:** September 22, 2009, 03:29:31 PM »

I think it's a stabilizing factor: The state of conflict is amazingly consistent from day to day and year to year and decade to decade.

powderman · « **Reply #8 on:** September 22, 2009, 04:59:34 PM »

Want peace??? Make the Godless ones quit firing rockets at innocents, quit murdering Jewish school children. Move out of occupied Israel. Thered be peace then. If iraq is stupid enough to send jets after Israeli fighters, they will lose every one they send up. POWDERMAN.

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 22, 2009, 05:45:43 PM »

where israel is ain t no mans idea..good lord ... i marvel at how much control ,,man believes he has over whats to be..we can intellectulize that,, all we like...our thoughts on it are as a man beating a hundred pound anvil with a little ball ping hammer..jmo slim

Sourdough · « **Reply #10 on:** September 22, 2009, 08:03:45 PM »

The Israelis have agreed to many peace settlements. It is the Arabs that keep refusing to settle. The Arabs are the ones that keep going on the offensive by sending rockets into the Israeli cities. Then when Israel retaliates, stupid people claim Israel is the aggressor.

In my opinion the people living in Gaza and the West Bank need to be rounded up and put on a ship out in the Med, with the warning return and be shot. Then Gaza and the West Bank turned into new productive Jewish settlements.

SM Bob · « **Reply #11 on:** September 22, 2009, 08:22:12 PM »

Quote from: rio grande on September 22, 2009, 02:11:30 PM

Israel is the major destabilizing factor in the mid-east.

Yea. Sure. After all the leaders of Israel are publicly threatening other countries in the region with
complete inhalation on a regular basis.....oh wait a minute, that's Iran, their goons Hezbollah,
Syria, and a host of other "solid citizens" that want to exterminate every last one of their
people and turn their country into a smoldering parking lot. So, it's Israel that's destabilizing
the region? OK. If you say so.

When they dispose of their nuclear arsenal then maybe they can talk.

Now just why the hell would they do that? It's definitely in their best interest to keep the enemy
from knowing exactly what they do have. That's one of the reasons they are still around.

Iran did sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty and invites Inspectors from the UN.

Inspectors from the U.N.? Well enough said there.

Israel has done no such thing, indeed 'denies' it has the nuclear bombs everyone knows it has.
The hypocrisy stinks to high heaven.

The real hypocrisy that stinks to high heaven is the lamestream media and others giving Ahmadinejad
and all the other thugs in the region a free pass and actually wanting to make Israel out to be the
bad guy for wanting to protect themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel

skarke · « **Reply #12 on:** September 22, 2009, 10:53:33 PM »

Wow

This post is amazing to me. BTW, has anyone posting on this thread ever been to Israel?

ms · « **Reply #13 on:** September 23, 2009, 12:33:39 AM »

Quote from: powderman on September 22, 2009, 04:59:34 PM

Want peace??? Make the Godless ones quit firing rockets at innocents, quit murdering Jewish school children. Move out of occupied Israel. Thered be peace then. If iraq is stupid enough to send jets after Israeli fighters, they will lose every one they send up. POWDERMAN.

The article is talking about American jets shooting down Israeli jets. We control the air space in Iraq.

ironglow · « **Reply #14 on:** September 23, 2009, 01:29:36 AM »

A totally stupid and traitorous idea, but what should one expect of Brezinsky, a simpering minion to a Palestinian kissing, senile old Jimmy Carter. Don't forget, this idiot (I'madinnerjacket) is convinced he has to prepare the world for the grand entrance of his 12th mahdi and general warfare of the world is one way to do it.

This nut case has said that Israel should be "wiped off the map" and he is building the weapons right now, to accomplish that aim!

Now lets take that to a personal level (easier to understand).

You have a nut case neighbor. He has convinced himself that the house you and your family live in has been taken from his cousin by force, irrespective of the facts. He says he wants to destroy you and your family, has loaded his 12 ga 1100 Remington and is coming for you and yours....
Not wanting him near your family, you go outdoors and step off the porch with your AR15...Now brilliant Zebignew says the honorable thing for the US (world cop) to do is to shoot you to protect the nut case neighbor....DUH
Curiously, I know there are some folks here who seem to really hate the Jews..just because they are Jews I guess.
...But if I am wrong, please list the plausible reasons why you hate them..

billy_56081 · « **Reply #15 on:** September 23, 2009, 01:50:12 AM »

Well said Slim! God pur Israel where it is not man.

I would imagine our resident antisemites would just love this crop from the muzzy president. Israel is the peaceful nation while it neighbors are vicious animals but yet our resident antisemite spews propaganda that would have made Hitler proud?

TM we missed ya, I was thinkin the FBI had been questioning you after the terror plot unraveled in New York. So how many of your brother did they pick up? So did you talk or just clam up?

powderman · « **Reply #16 on:** September 23, 2009, 02:20:12 AM »

Good to see that most of us here see the Godless ones for what they are. No way Americans will TRY to shoot down Israeli jets anywhere, but I'd bet osama would order it to protect his brother muslims.
BILLY. I reckon they turned tm loose for a bit, they'll get him again. Snitch??? I doubt it. Still not sure what Godless nation he's from. POWDERMAN.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 23, 2009, 02:31:36 AM »

Actually TM I do hate the above listed liberals.

Sounds like this is heating up again, get polished up TM the BBQ is coming soon!

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #18 on:** September 23, 2009, 02:45:09 AM »

In the Balfour declaration in 1926, the Brittish government of the allowed the Jews to return to their ancestral homeland, but they were to respect the others living there. Israel has freedom of religion, they do not try to change the Muslims and allow those within their territory freedom of religion. They have a western style government. Even their largest port city Haifa had an Arab mayor a few years ago. Would the Muslims allow the Jews freedom of religion if they ran it? Most of the Jews who settled back in Israel were from Europe, especially central and eastern Europe and were persecuted and killed by the Germans and Russians. Even Egypt doesn't want to take control of the Gaza. Isreal has asked them to to keep down the extremists. The West Bank was once controlled by Jordan. They don't even want it back. Why, because the Muslim extremists control the Palestinians now. They don't want the hassle. So, Israel being very small, with about 7 million people and more comming in from various places in the world need room to grow, so they build settlements in unoccupied areas of the West Bank. They have even paid Palestinians for their land and gave them money to move to other countries. Israel does destroy the homes of known terroists to discourage them from returning to terrorise again. Also, Jesus said that Isreal would be in the hands of the Gentiles for a season after the temple was destroyed in AD70 which He also predicted. He then said the Jews would return but the end would be shortly thereafter.

ironglow · « **Reply #19 on:** September 23, 2009, 03:09:31 AM »

TM;
You and I just have a different view of "Zionism". I happen to believe you give Zionism way too much credit for power they do not have nor exercise, beyond trying to maintain their nation's sovereignty. I remain convinced that Israel would be content with their present boundaries but their neighbors refuse to agree.
Several times their neighbors have tried to wipe them out, but ended up getting their heads handed to them. Even after all those attacks, Israel was so understanding as to give back the Sinai and many, many square miles of land they would be entitled to keep as war prize for promises of "land for peace". The Muslims got the land but Israel got no peace; that is not opinion, that is fact !
Remember, the world insisted Israel give the Gaza strip back "for peace"..Israel gave it back...where is the "peace" ? I have no respect for a people who break their pledged word again and again.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #20 on:** September 23, 2009, 03:17:42 AM »

IG without the mythical power of "Zionism" our antisemite friends here would have no other argument except their hatred of the Jews as a people. The FACT that Israel does all it can to make peace with its neighbors is obvious to all but the most hateful of the antisemites and Nazis.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #21 on:** September 23, 2009, 03:52:23 AM »

Boy TM you really have been working on some new stuff. You are gonna kill at the BBQ.

"The Jews did it" hilarious.

ms · « **Reply #22 on:** September 23, 2009, 04:09:49 AM »

My doctor is a jew he was over in Israeli in the summer. He said a lot of what you see on TV about the middle east is not that bad.

searlock · « **Reply #23 on:** September 23, 2009, 04:45:53 AM »

just before God was going to let them romans gut them jews and spread them all over the globe, the romans let them jews decide who was going to be crucified jesus or barabas. them jews were and are some great people.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #24 on:** September 23, 2009, 05:11:33 AM »

Jesus was born a Jew. He came for the Jews first, then the Gentiles. Islam is a heresey that came later. Jesus warned us about it.

searlock · « **Reply #25 on:** September 23, 2009, 05:18:47 AM »

the jews rejected Jesus then and the reject Him to this day. no different than the muslims who reject Him.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #26 on:** September 23, 2009, 05:34:11 AM »

True, but they will eventually see the light in the last days.

beerbelly · « **Reply #27 on:** September 23, 2009, 06:16:40 AM »

God did not put the Jews where they are , the UN did! At that time we controlled the UN, so we are really who put them there. However they were not co9ntent to stay with what we gave them. So they started taking more and more land from the arabs.
Don't tell me about them being attacked, They made a pre-emptive strike in every war!!! So in fact they started every war. They are no better than the arabs they are fighting. They are not our friend, remember the USS Liberty!
In fact the first terrorist in the area were the jews! They were bombing the hell out of the British, who were at that time in charge of the area.
The world would be a better place if both the Israelis and the Moslems were wiped off the face of the earth.
Beerbelly

searlock · « **Reply #28 on:** September 23, 2009, 06:47:27 AM »

beerbelly+1

jimster · « **Reply #29 on:** September 23, 2009, 07:03:39 AM »

Yep, many years back....nice place in some places...particularly if you are blind. Rampant racism, rampant anti christian and anti islamic. Brutal national mentality for the unchosen...actually a theocracy.

Whoops...thought TM7 was talking about the US there until I kept reading farther...my bad.

Bottom line is, and always will be...Israel is a small spec in the middle of a large place that want them dead, dead, dead, and has said so openly. Regardless if you think they should be dead, or not...they will survive, or try to, no matter what I think, you think, or anyone else thinks. It's natural for a survival instinct under these conditions, and people can use all the fancy words they want and use history, rewrite history, or whatever...does not make one little bit of difference in what will happen. Israel will look out for themselves in the end and what we think means nothing either way. So why keep arguing about all this stuff. It is what it is. Personally, I think the Palestinians are muderous thugs and that goes way back to the bibical days....others may think, gee Israel made them that way...who cares. The Palestinians have chosen the worst of the whole bunch to represent them, you could not give the Palestinians enough land or money, they want Israel dead, dead, dead....and they are too stupid to build anything with money or land either way. Israel might as well kill them all as far as I'm concerned, they fact they have not done so yet is interesting, I would have long ago if it were my call. Along with everyone else who was a threat.
Good thing I'm not a world leader I guess...I have no use for the UN either.

Anyone that fires upon the Israel jet will probably find out that is not a good way to live very long either, sounds like a lot of talk to me. We'll see I guess. The bible says Israel will survive, so far that seems to be true. It also has something to say for those who would walk away from Israel, for those who practice that religion, keep an eye on those things. For those that don't it's just human nature to see a country in survival mode, keep an eye on that if you like. You won't change a thing by speculating on who are the bad guys here. Makes for good reading, that's about it.
What happened in the 40's the 50's the 60's....does not mean a thing. Who we think are our "friends" means nothing.
What matters is what it is right now. We have no control over what will happen next. We are weak from within our own country and have dangerous times ahead with a dangerous man at the helm and a corrupt Congress, so we have our own probleme to deal with. Our president is handing our azzes to the UN as we speak...we should be worried about ourselves as much as all this over there.

Jim