Author Topic: shoot down Israeli jets. (Read 7786 times)

ironglow · « **Reply #90 on:** September 24, 2009, 04:50:58 PM »

Quote from: petemi on September 24, 2009, 05:06:26 AM

The Israelis didn't attack the Liberty by accident. It was an Intelligence ship monitoring their war with Egypt and was learning too much...it had to go. I know, I was on NATO/U.S Navy staff duty in the Mediteranean at the time. The Liberty had her hull number displayed and was flying the American flag on a clear day.

Pete

  Petemi;
   Alright already, you bring up 1..one..uno..ein..example of an Israeli attack upon a US ship. Most here as well as our security agencies believe it was a case of mistaken identity, some like you do not believe it. Believing as you do, you are still attacking Israel about it. Fine, so we give that to you...
  I find it curious indeed that in this discussion involving both Israel and the Muslim dictatorships, you seem to only be able to recall the single, disputed attack by Israeli forces. So lets say the Liberty and the USS Cole cancel each other out, even though there is absolutely NO DOUBT who attacked the Cole and what their motivations were. So you were serving in the med when the Liberty was attacked. There were thousands of family members living nearby in NY City when their loved one (one of 3,000) were murdered by Muhammad's minions. Since 9/11 there have been over 14,000 muslim terrorist attacks around the world, not to mention the thousands before 9/11.
just this week the homeland security is scouring hundreds of venues, searching for Muslim planted bombs which could still kill any one of us...

  But still, you make not a single mention of the thousands of attacks before and after 9/11..while you go on harping about va mistaken identity incident of 40+ years ago.
  BTW: You whine about the Liberty having a hull number & flag displayed; don't you suppose the Muslims who attacked the World Trade Center, the USS Cole, embassies, pizza parlors, pre school nurseries, churches, synagogs & schools and a thousand other places, knew very well to whom they belonged ?

  Let's be honest, if you just hate the Jews, simply because they are Jews..why not just come clean and say so ?

nomosendero · « **Reply #91 on:** September 24, 2009, 04:59:32 PM »

Aside from all of the pro-Jew, anti Jew, not really Jews & all of that, which I think is well covered by the different sides here, to think it is good to shoot these planes down is to say that we are the last line of defence against a real enemy that cannot be considered to be anything else, very wierd stuff indeed!!

ironglow · « **Reply #92 on:** September 24, 2009, 05:42:00 PM »

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/092409dnmetbombarrest.1b177db8b.html

Article didn't say, but it must be those pesky Mormons...

ironglow · « **Reply #93 on:** September 24, 2009, 05:43:14 PM »

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN2447383520090924

Probably Episcopalians...

ironglow · « **Reply #94 on:** September 24, 2009, 05:44:43 PM »

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE58N6YT20090924

...'Spose they're Methodists ?

mirage1988 · « **Reply #95 on:** September 24, 2009, 05:59:16 PM »

Tm tries to disguise it with big words and psycobabble, but here is a site that shows islam for what it is!

WARNING: DO NOT LOOK IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH!

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

mirage1988 · « **Reply #96 on:** September 24, 2009, 06:11:57 PM »

With the flip-flopping tm's been doing in the last few days, it makes me think that the nurse handing out the meds at the assisted living home has gotten tm7 mixed with m16s4evr.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #97 on:** September 24, 2009, 06:16:19 PM »

Quote from: searlock on September 23, 2009, 04:45:53 AM

just before God was going to let them romans gut them jews and spread them all over the globe, the romans let them jews decide who was going to be crucified jesus or barabas. them jews were and are some great people.

We must remember that Jesus "God" knew his fate and it was all planned so that he would die for the sins of the world. He let himself be captured and tortured, and dies for all of aour sins! The Jews nor pilot should be blamed for the death of Christ! It was planned and they were merely "tools" of God. If you are a Christian you know that the Jews are the chosen people! God will determine their fate! I choose to be an ally of Gods Children! If we know what is good for us then we all will be allies of God's chosen ones!

Israel has only defended themselves when attacked and will do so in the future! Their borders grew from land they fought and died over when attacked by their Arab neighbors from all directions! Choose your friends carefully!

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #98 on:** September 24, 2009, 08:48:07 PM »

beer belly,, god would have no trouble using the u.n.,,, to put the jewish people where he wanted them...
we approach religous debate with this thread... i don t do that if i can help it..
no matter what me or you think ...hes in charge and his will will be done.. no matter how smart we get to thinking we are,,as to these matters..
for me ,,my house is built on the rock of the father ,the son ,an the holy ghost...
understand it all ...no way ...all i have to do is have faith ,,that he is ,,an always will be,, the omnipotent creator of all..
for me he has also been a very benevolent father..slim

powderman · « **Reply #99 on:** September 25, 2009, 02:19:35 AM »

OLDSHOOTER. Well said and all true. There will come a day when each and every one of us will face God, some here probably won't like it.
ms. Don't like it, don't read it. You are now back on iggy. POWDERMAN.

Swampman · « **Reply #100 on:** September 25, 2009, 02:59:06 AM »

Every Persian/Islamic/Arab Muslim they whack is one less we'll have to whack. Nits make lice.

Our military leadership is full of Christians even to the highest level. They will not take sides against God.

ms · « **Reply #101 on:** September 25, 2009, 03:09:13 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 25, 2009, 02:59:06 AM

Every Persian/Islamic/Arab Muslim they whack is one less we'll have to whack. Nits make lice.

Our military leadership is full of Christians even to the highest level. They will not take sides against God.

Your dreaming now our military will do what its told.

Swampman · « **Reply #102 on:** September 25, 2009, 03:31:41 AM »

You're using those scriptures completely out of context. They don't refer to mankind in general.

Casull · « **Reply #103 on:** September 25, 2009, 06:11:00 AM »

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The military was chosen to be fractured years ago, and is primarily a zionist controlled entity

ROFLMAO!!!! How is that koolaid?

Casull · « **Reply #104 on:** September 25, 2009, 10:08:44 AM »

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and who is doing most of the killing

That might be your muslim bro's, since there are too many in this country like you that tie our soldiers' hands.

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Now I know you get nasty real easy, because of your nature

Awww, someone feeling a mite petish?

ironglow · « **Reply #105 on:** September 25, 2009, 12:07:13 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on September 24, 2009, 12:49:19 PM

TM says;
Spoken like a true zionist swampie. You should try taking a little adult responsibility once in a while and not putting all the burden on God...!

Billie,,,My alligence is to the USA and the Truth thru Jesus in the New Covenant. I do not support your NWO, your zioNazi-thugs, your perpetual wars, your religious rivalry and idealogical musings, or your constant deceptions.

   TM;
   You have really aroused my curiosity...
  I shall ask you much the same question I asked a person who contacted me by personal message, and in the same way. In a sincere effort to be entirely fair, I shall give my Christian background first :

   I was saved later in life (age 38), but truly "hit the ground running".. Grounded in Baptist theology, studied intensely and taught Senior man's Bible study for several years. Studied with and recieved degree from Faith Bible Theo Seminary (in the Florida panhandle), Chairman of deacon board for years, chairman, board of education of Baptist Christian school (K-12) several years also Sunday School supervisor at same time, meanwhile filling pulpit during absences of the pastor.
  Having moved, I now attend a non-denominational Christian Church and hold similar duties including pulpit supply, as far as this smaller church body involves.
  I give my background, simply to be fair and above board while I ask you to do the same. I ask for your credentials/experience because you claim Christ, even though your Christian doctrine seems to me (and others I'm sure) foreign to any I have met.

  So now let's level, I've given you deep info on my background..please reciprocate. Surely with a sincere explanation of your Christian roots, the guys here could relate better..now's the time to...man up!

TM;
I spoke in the open about my personal history because I realized there was confusion for many on this forum and I wanted to establish my orthodoxy. I figured it to be important to place the "evidence in play", so folks would know where I'm coming from, certainly not as any kind of boast ..simply because many have accomplished much more than I ..and in a shorter time. I did it so others here would know from whence I speak. Of course I would not betray a private message if asked not to, but that would not fill the bill. Others here are fully as curious as I as to where your theology originates.

ironglow · « **Reply #106 on:** September 25, 2009, 12:17:53 PM »

FYI:
Folks, I am beginning to detect some divergence from what most of us call "solid, orthodox Christianity". Some are sure to wonder why some folks claim Christ as Savior, but dislike the Jews.
There are a couple stray beliefs which have wandered into certain Christian groups and some that are the basis for cultic type studies.
The first one is called "Replacement Theology" and a small minority of Christians endorse this mistaken (IMO) theory. They believe that the church has actually replaced the Jews in God's eyes. That is a convenient out if one is "uncomfortable" with backing the Jews or Israel:
Just google search for > replacement theology <

Anmother theology, advanced by Herbert w Armstrong (among others) and his "World wide church of God". This theory is that the "lost" tribes of Israel (which are not truly lost however) migrated to Britain and thence to the US. Therefore those of us who have our heritage rooted in the British Isles are quite likely to be decended from the "lost tribes".

Just do a Google search for > British-Israelism <

ironglow · « **Reply #107 on:** September 26, 2009, 04:20:49 AM »

TM;
The evangelicals I speak of are not the large, mega-churches. Most all the churches I deal with or ever have dealt personally with, are local, independant bodies whose finances come entirely from their local members...most don't even hold fish frys, spaghetti dinners or bingo to support themselves. They do it the old-fashioned, Biblical way.
I doubt many of those mega churches get outside funds either, other than books, DVDs etc, produced by themselves. I sure don't visualize any foreign power supporting them, although they may well support the poor in those countries.

FourBee · « **Reply #108 on:** September 26, 2009, 05:25:41 AM »

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from original post by ms: " Zbigniew Brzezinski said the United States should make clear that it will attack Israeli jets if they fly over Iraq on their way to attack Iran. "

Why would the U.S. want to do that, when according to reports ~
(1.major Internatinal companies continue to bring their investments to Israel, indicating their confidence in Israel's future.
(2. Intel has 6 plants and 6,500 employees in Israel.
(3. All of the major tech players - Google, Microsoft, and IBM ~ have large research centers in Israel which is the 3rd hottest spot 'after Silicon Valley and Boston', for high-tech venture capital in the world.

The Cell phone was optimized in Israel, as was most of the Windows NT operating system and for voice mail technology. AOL Instant Messenger? Developed in Israel. Firewall security software originated in Israel, as was the 1st fast Ethernet and 1st wireless LAN. Their stock market is doing well compared to the rest of the world. Israel enjoys top universities, upscale restaurants, beautiful residences, and modern architecture . Israel lags behind only the U.S. in number of companies listed on NASDAQ. 24% of Israel's workforce has a university degree. Israel leads the world in scientists and technicians per capita.

epanzella · « **Reply #109 on:** September 27, 2009, 07:42:36 AM »

The Israelis are convinced that as soon as Iran has a long range nuclear capability that their first mission will be to reduce Israel to radio active rubble. Being as muslims extremeists have no quams about blowing up busloads of innocent women, children and tourists all over the world, who in their right mind could doubt this? That said, what threat is anyone going to make against Israel that isn't a joke compared to nuclear annihilation? They're giving the US and the world a chance to take care of this, but if they aren't succesful by the time the fat lady sings, Israel will atack, no matter what hollow threats have been made against them. The sad part is that many experts don't think Irael has the capability for a successful attack so what we may be left with is a pissed off nuclear Iran with newfound support in the muslim world for an all out attack against Israel. The nukes will be flying all over the place. We should help Israel, covertly if necessary, to insure thear success. It will still stir up a hornet's nest but at least it won't be nuclear. Bad time in history for a butt-kissing rookie in the white house.

ironglow · « **Reply #110 on:** September 27, 2009, 08:02:47 AM »

TM;
From your post #128..you mentioned something called a "reconciliation movement"..never heard of it so I researched it. Sounds like something that could have been cooked up by the WCC (world council of churches). If you REALLY want to know where evangelicals for the most part stand..simple...read the Bible. And forget dragging old Constantine up to me. He has nothing to do with me, my belief system, my church or it's history.

Israel is giving the whole world a chance RIGHT NOW..to head off a nuclear war. Will the UN be any better than the old League of Nations in preventing a looming World War III ? Will the western powers be a teaspoonful more sensible than Neville Chamberlain..waving Hitler's piece of toilet paper, and saying "peace for our time." ?
Remains to be seen, but if the Iranian nuts are allowed to continue upon their suicidal path (for the whole world) and war erupts; the UN and western powers in particular, can share the blame.

BTW: Iran had best be ready for obliteration..it is unlikely Israel has put all it's nuclear eggs in one, land based basket..when air & sea are also open to them.

searlock · « **Reply #111 on:** September 27, 2009, 08:13:32 AM »

ig you mean the nukes they say they don't have? so much for our nuclear poliferation treaty.

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #112 on:** September 27, 2009, 03:51:19 PM »

I support Israel 100 percent, no doubt they will attack Iran if something is not done and dang soon. They can not be expected to wait it out and see if Iran will be a nation that is responsible . They just can not take that chance based on the Loony Akhmenijad and his own words. Some seem to think "Its just talk and that he has no intention of really using a nuke on Israel." Well its just like Saddam and Iraq for those that can not remember He was mouthing off for years and slapping the US and The UN in the face everyother day for years on end.

It was known that he had Biological weapons and it was known he was not adverse to use them on his enemies (IRAN) and his own people (KURDS). So we just could not take that chance that he would use them on us. Monday morning is great to talk the game over. However war is not a game and thousands of lives if not millions of lives are the stakes in something like this. Does Israel or the US for that matter sit by and take that chance? Do they or us or both attack Iran and obliterate the facilities? If we take them out and we determine later there was no weapons development everyone will raise hell from the left about doing so.

But what happens if we or they or both of us do nothing and Iran does fire a nuke and take outs Israel? What will be said then? How will people feel if they fire on own ships or military land facilities and take them out. What will be said then? OOPPS we shoulda done something?

See many fail to realize that it could all be avoided by letting us in to verify their intentions but the BIG MOUTH A##@%$% will not do that he wants to run it out, is he bluffing? The same as Saddam was? (That is if there were in fact no weapons) See Saddam thought we would not attack the same as Akhminijad thinks Israel or the US will not.

He is wrong this time Israel will attack! The US may not as Obama does not have the backbone. (He just might if the pressure gets hot enough)

Do you feel sorry for Saddam? Instead of being dead and in hell he could have still been there with all his golden toilets and all the Virgins his heart could desire. However, he decided to run a bluff and it cost him his life and destroyed thousands and thousands of lives. So do we sit back and take the chance that Iran if it gets nukes will not use them? Remember what they have said they will do. They have made a bet that we will not call their hand, we can not nor can Israel not call them on it. So when its all over and this idiot has joined Saddam in hell so be it. He brought it on himself with his big mouth and if he did not mean it tuff s&*$%.

Thats what Bush was faced with and now Obama. Bush could not take that chance nor can Obama or Israel with this jerk. I know lots will say there were no weapons found in Iraq but remember everyone in the world believed there were. All that Saddam had to do was let us see that there were not and it would have never happened. They same with this idiot in Iran. If he does not he will have reaped what he sowed. The world will be a better place if he is dead and those facilities or rubble.

If Israel attacks Obama will want to ride on the success of the Israelies, that is if they are. He will never do it himself as he does not have the courage to do what Bush did. Bush showed leadership with the protection of the people of the US foremost in the importance of making his decision. Yep he is paying for it now however you got to give him credit he was trying to do what had to be done to assure the porotection of the US. Had Saddam opened up nothing would have happened but he did not.

I guess I have rambled enough i guess.

ironglow · « **Reply #113 on:** September 27, 2009, 04:09:09 PM »

TM;
In your post #136 as you end the first paragraph, you use a term.."holocaustianity"... I do hope you are not one of those such as Ahminidinajad (sp) who doesn't believe the holocaust happened. Surely you know better than that...only cases like I'madinnerjacket are still in denial about it.

FourBee · « **Reply #114 on:** September 27, 2009, 04:57:58 PM »

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I support Israel 100 percent, no doubt they will attack Iran if something is not done and dang soon.

Hiya Redtail1949:
Many of us here support Israel. The question is "will Israel attack Iran". The Holy Bible gives us some hints as to what is about to take place. Have you ever read the Old Testament's small book of Amos?
The countries nearest Israel are not mentioned when Russia attacks her. Why is this? Amos says those countries which surround Israel will be judged with FIRE. Totally consumed, they will not be here to participate in Israels war on the side of Russia and Iran. I got a feeling the threat Iran is imposing on Israel will end up in a dreadful failure at the expense of these surrounding peoples. Iran itself however, appears to be in good shape to launch an attack against Israel. JMHO

powderman · « **Reply #115 on:** September 29, 2009, 12:34:19 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on September 27, 2009, 04:09:09 PM

TM;
In your post #136 as you end the first paragraph, you use a term.."holocaustianity"... I do hope you are not one of those such as Ahminidinajad (sp) who doesn't believe the holocaust happened. Surely you know better than that...only cases like I'madinnerjacket are still in denial about it.

IRONGLOW. Don't bet on it. POWDERMAN.

torpedoman · « **Reply #116 on:** September 29, 2009, 06:36:58 PM »

Just what was the U.S. and great Britain smoking when they set up the jews in the middle of the arabs anyway?

powderman · « **Reply #117 on:** September 30, 2009, 02:44:07 AM »

Quote from: torpedoman on September 29, 2009, 06:36:58 PM

Just what was the U.S. and great Britain smoking when they set up the jews in the middle of the arabs anyway?

God put them there, we had nothing to do with it. Israel didn't need anybody's permission to reestablish a portion of what God gave them thousands of years ago. Millions of Godless ones now occupy what rightfully belongs to Israel, they are trespassers on Israeli land. POWDERMAN.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #118 on:** September 30, 2009, 02:49:43 AM »

Britain had defeated the Turks and drove them out of the middle east in WWI. Palestine was a sparsely populated land. Britian had a lot of Jews as well as other European countries. Palestine is the ancient land of the Jews, so Britain with the Balfour declaration in the 1920's when Europe was in a depression, allowed the Jews to return to their ancient homeland. There were some Jews already living there from ancient times. They drained swamps, irrigated land, built cities and many came during the Jewish persecution in Germany in the 1930's before WWII. Britian pulled out in 1947 and gave the Jews Palestine west of the Jordan, and the Muslims Jordan east of the Jordan river. The Muslims immediately attacked Isreal the same day as their independence and took the west bank and Gaza. Israel finally prevailed and the rest is history.

beerbelly · « **Reply #119 on:** September 30, 2009, 03:20:49 AM »

I don't think that we or Israel can stop Iran from getting the bomb! We have never stopped anyone from getting the bomb.
I Think that once the Iranians get the bomb and the missiles to use it , you will see a nuclear war between Israel and Iran.
I can see no way Israel can win. Due to it's size compared to Iran. I could care less if they wipe each other off the earth. My fear is that they drag us into it.
The nuclear non-proliferation treaty is a joke, and we made it a joke by allowing Israel , if not helping them get the bomb. Once they had the bomb ,I understand the surrounding nations wanting to get one also. So who actually started the nuclear arms race in the middle east?
Beerbelly