For Obama supporters ..Question #3...

[billy_56081]

This thread is aimed at for those of you who are supporters of BHO. If you are not an American citacen, BHO and his support or lack of support are none of your buisiness. We here who are citacens have no need for your input on this subject. America, with all of her problems which we openly discuss and even harshly argue amongst ourselves, is still the shining star of the world. We do not need your advice on anything, as your countries are all behimd us as we  are in first place. You all need to look to us as an example, not vice versa. If you want to have some say in the course of the United States of America, please apply for citacenship, then after you become a part of our great paradise, you can then have an impact on OUR COUNTRY. Otherwise mind your own buisiness.

[DDZ]

Revolution is very American.  ThT'S HOW THE COUNTRY WAS FORMED.  The majority is not always right, or moral...that's why we have a republic, it takes longer to tear that down than a full blown democracy.  Although in time, with enough corruption and no revolutions...it can be done, and IS being done.

We fought to the death for being taxed and controlled.  Guess what...we might just have to do that again if the voting booths do not work.
The majority means nothing if the majority disregards freedom and the constitution.  Votes are easy to get.  Everyone that works at a car company/union/ car parts supplier will probably vote for tax payer money to hold them up...so they CAN FEED THIER FAMILIES!   Anyone getting this yet?  They have just secured a whole lot of votes....now someone convince me different.  Government control is what we were warned about since the very begining.  Revolution sets things right....protesting is a start...guns is last resort for sure, but it HAS to be an option, or nobody will ever be free again. 

No free man or group of people ever became free by negotiations with a tyrancial corrupt government.  They needed to fight to the death. 

Jim

Well said Jim. Some people get it, and some don't.

So it's only a democracy if I voted with the majority? If I'm in the minority then we start a revolution? Hmmmm....That's an interesting take on patriotism don't yah think?

Newstart2k, What Demoracy?  Its a Republic.
  
A Demoracy is the direct rule of the people, and has been tried repeatedly without success. In a Demoracy, the individual, and any group of individuals composing any minority, have no protection against the unliminted power of the majority. It is kind of like majority over man.

A Rebublic is a form of government UNDER A CONSTITUTION which provides for the election of an executive, legislative, and judiciary branches. Also provides for certain inherent individual rights. Its purpose is to control the majority, primarily to protect the individual's God given, unalienable rights, and therefore for the protection of the rights of the minority, and the liberties of people in general.    

[jimster]

"Okay, so I take it you belong to the "I got Mine, Jack, School of HC access". Okay fine,,, Now for my answer I personally believe HC is a right and quarranteed by natural law of humanity and the Constitution, and that we all should be committed to solving the problem so we can get on with our entrepeneural and inventive healthy lives in a healthy secure unfearful nation...want to argue with that?"

That's probably why health care is free now for many people TM....it's the law in these parts you go to the emergency room, they fix you. 
I think it's the payments...the insurance frauds, over charging BECAUSE someone has insurance,  and all that other stuff that we need to fix up.  $$$$

We do indeed make sure people get fixed up in this State...even better than that...you don't have to be a citizen either.  It's not like people don't get anything at all...least not in the State of Michigan.  They will fix you up just fine and dandy...you don't need money...and if they send you bills...guess what, you still don't have to pay if your broke.  You can give them nothing...or a buck...whatever...sometimes they forget it and over charge the people with insurance. 

We are part way there already...it's just all mucked up with the insurance deals, over charging, no competition...all that stuff. 
As a rule...the American people are the most giving people in the world.  Nobody of course likes lazy bums, I'm not sure we can do away with that, there have always been those kinds of people out there...?  I'd like to see things fixed up as far as the money and insurance deals goes...more competition out there....but I sure want people who are poor to get fixed if they need it....I have feelings like most people do for sure.

[jimster]

This thread is aimed at for those of you who are supporters of BHO. If you are not an American citacen, BHO and his support or lack of support are none of your buisiness. We here who are citacens have no need for your input on this subject. America, with all of her problems which we openly discuss and even harshly argue amongst ourselves, is still the shining star of the world. We do not need your advice on anything, as your countries are all behimd us as we  are in first place. You all need to look to us as an example, not vice versa. If you want to have some say in the course of the United States of America, please apply for citacenship, then after you become a part of our great paradise, you can then have an impact on OUR COUNTRY. Otherwise mind your own buisiness.

By the way Billy...thanks...needs to be said sometimes...hard to explain to people who live elsewhere what it feels like to be free...even people in New York don't know what that feels like.  It's not something you can explain...but we are still the model of the world, we still run to help our neighbors...and in over 40 states can carry a gun where we go.  That is not explainable to many people...and nothing needs to be explained either, cause we are the best, and they overrun our borders to get here. Must be a reasn for that.  Long as the lines are long to get here...we must be doing something better than where they are coming from. 

[ironglow]

  Newstart;
  Time to think it over; we have a domestic terrorist that is doing his best to shred the Constitution. I can recall when we watched the Communist dictators/countries take over the banking systen, nationalize the various industries such as automobiles and petroleum. shortly after the taking over of financial institutions and industries..then they started after the doctors, hospitals & health care systems, along with instituting wage controls on oll these groups.
  Somehow those activities, whether performed by Stalin, Mao, Castro or more recently by Hugo Chavez in Venezuela seemed remote to Americans...but not so much now days.
 
  "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."  (Thomas Jefferson)

 " Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty, abused to licentiousness"  (G Washington, circular dated 5/8/1796)

  For those in Rio Linda, Washington said.. "Dictators can jump into the gap left in a free country, when the people are distracted by  their own immorality"..

 

[BBF]

I am sure I wrote this before. The Fed Govt in Canada does not regulate the amount of money that is vailable for HC nor does it legislate how it is financed. It is a provincial responsibiltiy or for those that don't understand the term, it would be the States in your country.
As far as Canadians coming to the US for medical services, sure why wait in line when you can afford to pay it out of your own pocket.
 If I was in that position I would probably fly to some other country with an equal level of service at a much lower price.
Personally I would not be able to post here if I did not have the surgery I needed and got because I sure would not have been able to pay for it myself. I waited less then a week once it was diagnosed and I do not have any friends in high places or some other pull.

Going into something more personal.
 I have, depite what a member here claims as not being possible, dual citizenship, the mere fact that there are a number of people working in the US Cabinet are dual citizens should be enough to convince the doubters. I do feel entitled to my posts here, unless told otherwise by those that have ownership of this site. The fact that I am concerned about family members living in the US and receiving part of my pension from the US matter to me. I have also given the same Oath as mentioned by newstart2k Reply#136.
My children are not or ever have been anchor babies .
Lastly, it would be naive for any Canadian in thinking that anything of importance in the US would not be of importance  in some way in Canada. So I do care, care very much what happens .

[Dixie Dude]

Here is the current problem.  America only has enough doctors and nurses to cover about 2/3rds of its people with the current standard of service, basically those with insurance.  IF we add FREE health care, the other 1/3 will flood the offices and those who have insurance and co-pays will probably increase their doctor visits because then they would be free and no co-pays, thus the long lines and waiting.  You must allow doctors to get paid via capitalism so that more students will go into the medical fields because of the pay.  Insurance should be more readily available, and disease that can be prevented and has no cure must be quarinteened to eliminate it like Aids and Ebola.  And close the border! 

[gypsyman]

BBF, I for one don't mind your comments. To me, it's a learning experience. I have meet with shooters from all over the world at either IHMSA Intl's, or at Camp Perry. I like to learn what it's like in other country's, especially in the shooting sports. Also makes me appreciate my own country more.
With that being said, this is why I'm against any govt. system of Universal health care. One of the things I don't mind paying tax's for is the military. 2 decade's ago, or so, it was uncovered that the Air Force had paid $1200 for a toilet seat, and $600 for a hammer. There was graft, coruption, and kick backs in the procurement of military items. That was over 20 years ago. We now have a blithering idiot for a president, that has just appointed a 30 something numbnut as a car czar. He has absoulutley NO experience running a business, other that some credits on his college listings. The person that this govt. might find to possibly oversea this healthcare crap will probably not know the price of toilet paper, let alone how much medical cost are. Let somebody from the fed. govt. start having any say so, and I bet when your in the hospital, getting an asprin will have the nurse filling out 5 forms in triplicate, cost will be $15, you'll have a $5 co-pay, AND THE GOVT. WILL TAX YOU ON IT. Sorry I had to shout. I wanted to get my point across. This govt. will only make things worse as far as the medical industry goes. gypsyman

[ironglow]

Everything this administration does is done for POLITICAL reasons only..as with any other Marxist regime.

[billy_56081]

TM now there you go again, making things up to support your claims.

The Mayo clinic is located in SE MN in the city of Rochester.

If you go back and reread my statements I was refering to northern MN and ND. These canians are going to Fargo, Moorehead, Grand Forks and Thief River Falls for some very standard medical care. These clinics and hospitals are for profit as I stated earlier they pay with cash, credit card or travelers checks.

TM don't try to twist my words to fot what you make up.

[45-70.gov]

Looking into this a little deeper it seems that those foreign visitors to American hospitals usually visit not-for-profit hospitals, many of which are public supported and offer very unique specialized services.  The premier example of this is the Mayo Clinic located in Billy world of Minnesota, which is actually considered an examplary hospital as far as stats and costs are concerned.  No wonder the Saudi's flock to it for all manner of medicine....

And BBF...well said.  It is really very simple. "If you do not believe in freedom of speech for everybody, than you do not believe in freedom of speech."

...TM7

not  for profit   is  just a tax filing status.....just  opens  tax loop holes

they  make no   profit....they  meaning the hostital corperation

because  the hospital corpoation  pays  it prifits  out  in  HIGH saleries  of  management

they  arent  non-profit because they  do volunteer work