For Obama supporters ..Question #3...

[billy_56081]

The liberal lying scum doesn't get mad and leave. They get mad that's true, they say they are leaving, that part is true too. But alas it is part of being a liberal to be a liar, and alas much to the distain of decent people they come post again as they are liars.

[SHOOTALL]

The Muslims say its ok to lie to non Muslims , Maybe lib's feel the same way ?
Maybe they are one in the same ?

[DDZ]

The Muslims say its ok to lie to non Muslims , Maybe lib's feel the same way ?
Maybe they are one in the same ?

Maybe, since the liberal left dosn't want us calling Islamic terrorists, terrorists.  Obama and the wacko left want us calling terrorists freedom fighters.

[BBF]

Dee"
:
Seeing your post as a quote from TM7 about us sneaking in for medical services.   

We can't afford the US prices, so we are doomed to die !!

[Sheila]

Ever notice, when people disagree with a liberal, the liberal aways calls it hate. Also they never have anything to say based on facts. They just get mad and leave.   

I made one cry at work a few months ago.

[Dee]

Well BBF, they interviewed a Canadian on the news the other day in Oklahoma City whom came down to see a heart specialist before he died. He had been waiting in Canada for TWO YEARS just to get into get evaluated to see if he COULD see a Canadian heart specialist.
He had the money, as he was a business man, but Canada's socialized medicine program kept pushing him back.
When the Oklahoma City heart specialist got the test results back, he immediately scheduled him for surgury and according to the man and the doctors it saved his life. He would have most likely died if he had remained in Canada according to HIM and the Ok. City doctors.
If you get sick up there in Canada and don't want to come down here to see a real doctor that's ok by me. We're too crowded anyway.

You have me on ignore.  Your supposed to be ignoring me.

[kinslayer1965]

just curious.....did muslims invent the compass? Or arches? Or spires. i was looking for the historically accurate part. I read his speach on yahoo and I must say he has a good writer and a great teleprompter. Beyond that it seemed business as usual. Was the colonialism remark aimed at the US I wonder?

[45-70.gov]

Well BBF, they interviewed a Canadian on the news the other day in Oklahoma City whom came down to see a heart specialist before he died. He had been waiting in Canada for TWO YEARS just to get into get evaluated to see if he COULD see a Canadian heart specialist.
He had the money, as he was a business man, but Canada's socialized medicine program kept pushing him back.
When the Oklahoma City heart specialist got the test results back, he immediately scheduled him for surgury and according to the man and the doctors it saved his life. He would have most likely died if he had remained in Canada according to HIM and the Ok. City doctors.
If you get sick up there in Canada and don't want to come down here to see a real doctor that's ok by me. We're too crowded anyway.


thats why  you save your money  and get a good job

will curt islm 1234 be back  you  think??
billy   you and your stalker  ok?

You have me on ignore.  Your supposed to be ignoring me.

So, one Canadian got saved the other day in the nick of time when 15,000 Americans didn't get saved.  Sounds like a bunch of propaganda bunk again....

..TM7

[ironglow]

  Kinslayer;
  The Muslims invented everything..popcorn, Harley-Davidsons, Eskimo Pies, Toyotas, igloos and the internet..whoops! Sorry!, the internet goes to Al Gore...

  Then there's Curtism;
  Still swooning over the big "O"! Now days I just sit back in amazement and wonder..When will these leftist idiots "catch on?"
   Below are the 3 statements I made that he ATTEMPTED to answer..see below:



   It was just a few weeks ago that Obama said .."The US is no longer a Christian country!".

   ..While just yesterday he said..."The US is one of the largest Muslim countries in the world!"....

       Do you still think his phrase "my Muslim faith"  was not a revealing moment...when the truth managed to slip out?
[/quote]


False

False

False


You're doing nothing but twisting words and making the conclusions you want to hear. If you repeat your nonsense so many times, you actually begin to believe it.
Sour grapes, that's all.


1. The US not an exclusive christan nation anymore. That would be a fact. A sizeable number of christians have turned non-religouis, we have muslims, jews, hindu, and every other religion in the US.
No, the US is not a chistian nation anymore nor should it ever have been a christian nation if you belief in the seperation of church and state.

2. Of the western nations, the US would have one of the largest populations of muslims. We have an estimated 4-10 million. Of course it's hard to grasp exact numbers because muslims are fearfull of publically declaring their faith (I've never seen so called "christians" spit out so much hate since 9-11. That's not exactly "christian like")
And he said it in (probably) Pakistan on a international relations trip. There's nothing wrong at all with saying that.

3. Maybe you forgot the speaking skills of "your" past president. He made so many mistakes, they made a yearly calender of "bushisms".
If you would of bothered to complete the entire quote (which you so obvouisly left out), it would of read "My muslim faith, (pause. correction) my christian faith." I guess when you're in the public spot light 24 hours a day you're not allowed to make a error in your words. Give the guy a break.


Nice try ironglow. I'm sure all the conservatives on this board believe every word of it.
Maistream america doesn't buy the hate though.
[/quote]

   

      Ohhhh Curtism.."methinks thou protesteth TOO much"

  In the first place, you claim my three statements are false, false, false...hey goober, those statements are a matter of record, and everyone here knows it. probably most of them heard Hussein (it's OK to call him that now) say them ! So, your calling those statements of fact "false", makes you the prevaricator...

   Let's look at the facts;
  Christian Nation? .....224,437,959 Christians in the US

  Muslim nation?...estimated from 1.1` to about 7 million Muslims in the US
   
   see:   http://www.ask.com/bar?q=How+many+Muslims+in+the+US+%3F&page=1&qsrc=0&ab=0&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.religioustolerance.org%2Fisl_numb.htm

  Now for "Os"..... "Muslim faith"...I saw his claim of Muslim Faith, and that "sleeper" didn't even know he said it until George Stephanopolis covered for him by  telling him what he was SUPPOSED to say..  :    ..Here; see for yourself (you can apologize anytime):

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M

[ironglow]

CURTISM 1234;
  Have you watched? ...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M

   Fellows, back in reply #12 , Curtism 1234, in reply to my stating that Obama himself said "my Muslim faith"..insisted I had made a FALSE statement...view the video, then decide for yourself who was making the false statement.
   
  Three times he said false, false, false...

    So I took him on... and for all three statements HE has been proven false, false, false... .

[billy_56081]

I'm done
There's no talking to you people



You guys make up hate and lies and actually believe it.

It's sickening. No wonder there aren't any rational people on hunting forums anymore. You drive them all away.




This forum is suppost to be free of dirty jokes for the women and kids.
Unforunatly they let people make up all sorts of foolishness instead.

Admin, I appologize for my scene but I have had it. Please delete my membership.
thank you

Name:  curtism1234
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Local Time: June 05, 2009, 06:44:54 AM


Looks like my post about how liberals cannot keep thier word is true!

[alsaqr]

Read Article 11 of The Treaty of Tripoli.  This treaty passed the US senate without dissenting vote and was signed by President John Adams.


http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

[Redhawk1]

I'm done
There's no talking to you people



You guys make up hate and lies and actually believe it.

It's sickening. No wonder there aren't any rational people on hunting forums anymore. You drive them all away.




This forum is suppost to be free of dirty jokes for the women and kids.
Unforunatly they let people make up all sorts of foolishness instead.

Admin, I appologize for my scene but I have had it. Please delete my membership.
thank you

Name:  curtism1234
Posts:  152 (0.242 per day)
Position:  Avid Poster


Local Time: June 05, 2009, 06:44:54 AM


Looks like my post about how liberals cannot keep thier word is true!

He wanted to see if we were going to ask him to stay. The best way to silence a liberal is present them with fact's and truth. They can't handle the truth. 

[BBF]

No I am in a pickle so to speak. According to the Rules a member cannot reply to a member that is on his/her ignore list. Fair enough. What happens when the post of the ignored member is quoted by another member that is not ignored? Obviously I am now aware of what was written and if that quoted post involves me, can I reply??   I need a ruling on this from da Boss Man.

[ironglow]

  Tm7;
      OK for scientific developments in the Muslim world, what great developments have they made in the last couple centuries.
  One only has to look at what the area of today's Israel looks like now as compared to 1948, after the Muslims ran the place for a few hundred years.
 
    The three wise men firom the east....Well, they were wise enough to not be Muslims    Since the occurrence you speak of took place @ about 4 BC and Mohammed didn't conjure up Islam until AD 620..not likely they were Muslims. Certainly the Arabic numerals and probably the triangular sail predated the old camel-driver also.

[ironglow]

BBF;
    It sure seems the best way to solve your dilemma would be to quit ignoring people. Surely if you decide to ignore folks on this website and there is a problem with it..that's of your own making..so, more than anyone else, you should bear the inconvenience.

[ironglow]

CURTISM 1234;

  ENJOY  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18VOGykrgHo&feature=related

[Redhawk1]

No I am in a pickle so to speak. According to the Rules a member cannot reply to a member that is on his/her ignore list. Fair enough. What happens when the post of the ignored member is quoted by another member that is not ignored? Obviously I am now aware of what was written and if that quoted post involves me, can I reply??   I need a ruling on this from da Boss Man.

Post what you have to say, the ignore function is for people that can't control themselves.  Get some stones and man up.!

[BBF]

Redhawk:
Rules are Rules, I don't make them but do my best to follow. As far as control..... Man, why do you think I have people on ignore.

[Dee]

Redhawk:
Rules are Rules, I don't make them but do my best to follow. As far as control..... Man, why do you think I have people on ignore.

Any time someone from "another country" criticizes the United States, I will respond like wise. If you don't want to hear from me, then "shut the hell up about my country". You Canadians come down here for medical treatment because your government screwed yours up. It is a "world known fact"!
The ORIGINAL REASON, you and I don't get along is because of your OPEN CRITICIZEM of the United States. I am an American, and although we have our problems as a nation, I am still an American. You shut up about my country, and you won't hear much from me.

[SHOOTALL]

When we hunt in Canada the road back to the border is loaded with signs for TRAVEL insurance . I asked the guy where we stayed what was up he said if know a Dr. that will check you and not record anything , and you have a big problem it is best to travel to the USA after getting TRAVEL ins. get sick on the trip and get fixed here ,as you could wait years up there !

[nomosendero]

Dee"
:
Seeing your post as a quote from TM7 about us sneaking in for medical services.   

We can't afford the US prices, so we are doomed to die !!

"We can't support US prices, so we are doomed to die!" I accept that. Normally a Tick does not have more blood than the Horse he is stuck to 

[ironglow]

BBF;
  That's why most here buy insurance, once we go down the government "free medicine" route, I think many will be horrified at what it will  actually cost us ! ....in many ways.
 
  If a person is indigent or extremely poor, they must be given emergency treatment. On the other hand if you can afford it, buy the insurance at the border and quit whining.


  Personally, I prefer our system as it is. If anyone here is delighted with other govt run beaurocracies such as the post office, the DOT, DMV, sociaL services, IRS, HUD or H.O.M.E... perhaps you won't mind some beaurocrat telling your Doctor whether or not you will be cared for.

[Foxxtrot]

Rak:  I spent a couple weeks traveling up thru. Mich, Ill, Iowa and Ne. visiting some friends, and I have never seen so many Osama supporters in my life than in the state of Iowa, I was there in Des Moines for a couple days and went to the Casino a few times and everywhere I sat all you could hear was the people around you commenting in the positive abt. Osama, the bumper stickers covered a majority of the vehicles on I-80, here I was in the heartland of the USA and all you could see was his supporters, it took the pleasure out of that leg of my trip.  I will say I hope that ALL his supporters get to pay the non-supporters tax increases.   Jim

Drive thru Burlington VT and you will see some Obama stickers. Makes me sick, but these idiots live in a different world up here.

Presidential Election: Winners by County
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/election/uscounties.html

[billy_56081]

Well me being a Minnesotan, I have seen first hand the "travel" they do to the US. This travel in not your typical vacation of visit, they are coming here expressly for health care because they do not want to wait until they can be scheduled in Canada. I work for an International company that has employees in Canada. I have been to training with many of these folks and about half of them ended up going in and getting medical treatment while they were here. They all said that they do this because they cannot get timley treatment in Canada. They do not have and "evacuation" clause, they are put on the same health insurance. As far as myths and stories I don't have to get all my information from the internet, I have lived near Canda most of my life and have seen it first hand and saw it with my own eyes.


So TM7 are you proposing that we socialize the American Healthcare system? It sounds like you are a proponent of socialized medicine.

[DDZ]

I really don't see how we can look and Canada's health care system as a fix all. Why would we want the same people running our health care that developed the US tax code or social security? Go ahead and try to think of a government run program that is run efficient. Our government can't run something simple, effeciently like the department of transportation. How do you think they will handle something as complex as the medical industry. Its a fact that government can't run anything near as efficent as the private secter can. There is a mentality in this country that government should provide free health care. There is nothing free about it. Tax payers will have to pay for it. Where is the money going to come from? You can bet Obama will get it from cutting things like national defense, and raising taxes. To control costs government would have to control and limit patient options. Who do you think will make the decision on what medical procedure you need or want? Canada's system forces people to wait as long as 6 months for a routine pap smear. This is not a myth. Its what happens.

 When health care becomes, what some call free. Do we thing people will curb thier vists to the doctor, like they have to do when they are paying for it. I know a family that is on welfare, that run to the doctor every time one of them gets a sniffle. My wife used to work as a receptionist at a doctors office, and this family was at the doctors office twice a week. why? Because they didn't have to pay for it.

In a universal HC system, costs will be spread to most all Americans. Why should someone that leads a healthy lifestyle have to pay for someones health care that smokes, drinks, takes drugs, eats at McDonalds every day, etc. So lets punish the people that lead a healthy lifestyle and reward the ones that don't. Sounds like socialism to me.

Like any government benifit the public will see health care as a right. Meaning, politicaly it will be imposible to curtail it or remove it. Look what happened to social security. Politicians know its headed for bankruptcy, but no one is headed to fix it. What happened to Bush when he just mentioned trying to restructure it with private accounts. The democrates ran a scare campaign saying that Bush was going to take away your social security, and the sheep believed it. The democrats had no alternative plan to fix anything reguarding SS.

When government runs something like HC, they will be making the rules. What about people that government deems no longer benifical to society. Like your parents or grandparents that have cancer or some other disabling desease. Do you thing that government will offer them treatment? I had heard that this was part of Hillary care. If something like this was not implemented right away, you can bet that eventually it would be.  

Part of the reason our health care system is screwed up now is because of government intervention. Why would we want them involved further?    

[jimster]

The real truth is health care is already free in this country for the poor...they get health care, and we are already paying for it,  anyone is says there are millions of people dieing because of our health care system is a liar.  Millions of people die anyways.  They will wolrk on you here in our hospitals if you go there regarldless of you having insurance, that is a fact.   It is also a fact that Canada's waiting list is HUGE,  and so would ours be if we gave it to the government.  They will decide if your worth saving and what treatment you'll get, same as deciding what kind of cars GM will build with YOUR money...that won't work.  There are plenty of Canadians that wait six months to get a cancer lump out of their bodies...we don't have that here.   
Health care deal is a scam designed to get more billions of our dollars, that likely won't be used for giving poor people health care, which they already have really.  It's more control by government is all.  My niece needed a simple operation here in Michigan before she went to basic traing for the coast guard...no money, no insurance, she tried to set up a pay plan, they said forget it, and just charged the next person with insurance twice as much....done deal.  That's the problem.  This is true cause I know she told me the hospital said forget the bill.  And if I go in for a simple test, they will test me for eveything under the sun including pregnancy...and I'm a guy.  compitition is the way to fight this, not government control.  Seems someone does not want competition and free markets in health care.   Add education to that as well...you know why.   Canada's health care system is fine, if you don't need anything...if you do, they pick when, and who, and how long, and maybe if at all.  When they tell you millions of people here are dying because they can't get health care, they are lying...it's not true.  our emergency rooms are full of people with no health care...getting health care.  We worry about the money later, or in some other way, and we get screwed by the system that over charges those who can pay to pay for those who can't...so yes we have some problems to work througg, but we certainly have better health care than anyone else in the world.  Government control will crash what we have and replace it with total failure. 


And DDZ is right on...government can't run a whore house,  they have crashed everything they have touched.  This is a proven fact.

[BBF]

DDZ:
We had some heated exchanges here in regards to the Canadian National Health care and I am done with this after this post especially considering that what we have here may not be the same thing as what you might have in the USA.

 A few things I want to point out.
 My wife never ever had to wait 6 months or even close for a pap, It was done through her family MD during a regular visit which at most required a two week appointment wait. I presume you need to make an appointment when you wish to visit your Doctor as well.
The Canadian Fed Govt mandates the health care program, however it is up to the individual Provinces to implement and finance them. Not all Provinces use the same method for funding it.

You question the fairness of someone living a healthy life style paying for the cost incurred by someone that does not. Accidents and some other illnesses do not differentiate and a healthy life style can find you in a Cancer Ward just as fast as any other. Consider it similar to your unemployment insurance and OAS security contributions which are not repayed in equal fashion.
If a person has the $$ and doesn't wish to wait, Our Govt in no wise hinders you to fly, drive or walk into any other country that performs whatever you need done on a pay yourself service.

BTW did you know that the Province of British Columbia has in the past sent patient to Washington( State) for treatment at the Provinces expense if the waiting period for specific procedure get longer then held acceptable?

    

 

  

[Redhawk1]

Then tell me why a friend of mine that has family that lives in Canada, where she is from, and she has nothing but nightmare stories about the health care in Canada. Tell me why she had 4 relatives die of cancer waiting on treatment. I guess from your post, maybe she is just making up deaths of family members in Canada just for the hell of it.

If health care in Canada is so good, why do a lot of Canadians come to the United States for treatment?

[BBF]

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