Author Topic: Recall Governor Walker?? (Read 10461 times)

Buckskin · « **Reply #90 on:** March 24, 2012, 04:32:03 AM »

Enviromental regulations would not be circumvented as you put it... That is a ploy, and the only excuse the liberals could come up with to stop the bill. Probably will work for most, but some heads will roll for this. Why on earth would the do test drilling prior to a bill being passed??? Waste of money. Trust me they would have done the necessary drilling and testing to determine the extent of the ore prior to initiation of the mine. The DNR and EPA were all fine with the bill, the only thing that it did was speed up the insanely long process. Reduce it from 3 years to 1 1/2. Speed up government, wow what a travisty... Nice work liberals, you finally won a battle... Too bad it cost the state billions of dollars and thousands of great paying jobs..

The only good thing to come out of it, is that it probably secured Walkers job. Private union members are finally realizing that "their" unions don't give a rats azz about the jobs of their members, they are only a political pawn. I know lots of private union members across all trades and only one still buys into the union barf they are feeding them. And he is a lost cause...

ihookem · « **Reply #91 on:** March 24, 2012, 10:01:43 AM »

Buckskin is right. They only wanted to speed up the process of the permit. Speed up government? Laugh my arse off! A little story here. I have land on the South Fork Flambeau river. I heard about the Ladysmith mine from 93-97. I was very upset. There goes my fishing! Walleye , musky went down. Catfish, sucker stayed about the same. Smallmouth and northern numbers went through the roof. Doubt it was the mine. Anyway When I heard what they pulled from that mine I thought do it right and go for it. They pulled 450,000 tons of iron ore. Much was so pure it didn't need to be refined. They pulled 180,000 thousand tons of copper, all kinds of rare stones, 3.3 million ounces of silver and 334,000 ounces of gold.... and the dems don't want to mine. A holes!! I can only hope the unions wake up and find what pawns they have been all these years. Almost all would be union jobs!

gunny4 · « **Reply #92 on:** March 24, 2012, 03:11:38 PM »

Its clear to me your not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours and i will leave it at that. Have a great day

ihookem · « **Reply #93 on:** March 25, 2012, 03:41:13 AM »

We will see who's minds were changed in a few months due to this unjust recall. Walker will win, and he will win everywhere he goes. He will lower my taxes and cut the crazy salaries of public workers and cut waste so my taxes don't get so high I can't live here anymore and companies might want to stay instead of get out of tax hell Wisconsin. If we go back to democrats more companies will see it as a hopeless state to work in. There is very good reason we lost thousands of buisness in Wisconsin. TAXES ARE TOO HIGH! If we go back to the Doyle/ union/ liberal/ dems we will see taxes rise. Taxes rise more companies will leave. Simple as that. Anyone wants to know salaries of public employees just type belling.com scroll down to state employees salaries and punch in your kids teachers name. You will be surprised that a librarian in a middle school gets 75-80 k including benies to sit in a quite room.

Buckskin · « **Reply #94 on:** March 25, 2012, 07:18:06 AM »

In its monthly snapshot of the employment picture in the Dairy State, COWS reported the state added 9,100 jobs in March, “marking the first time there have been three consecutive months of significant job gains in the 40 months since the beginning of the Great Recession.” The Wisconsin Job Watch report shows the state’s manufacturing and construction sectors starting to uptick after severe declines during “The Great Recession.” Wisconsin is adding jobs by the thousands and is now rated #1 in the country for job growth to the dismay of liberals everywhere... By the time the whiners get their way and have the recall election Wisconsin will likely have gained 60,000 jobs for the year right on pace for his 250,000 that Walker. He's been in office just over a year and his the tools he created are just beginning to show what they can do. Wait for another 3 years, Wisconsin will be a force once again. Liberals are easy to debate with, just give them some undisputable facts and their arguements start to sound petty even by their own ears...

scootrd · « **Reply #95 on:** March 25, 2012, 09:00:51 AM »

The national economy has now produced two straight years of private sector job growth

Though Wisconsin has had a net increase of 15,700 private-sector jobs since Walker took office. Wisconsin also revised it's December 2010 monthly Job figures. The revisions show Wisconsin had more private-sector jobs just before Walker took office and it hasn"t added as many as what the government previously reported. So despite the estimated increase the state has only seen a net increase of approx 9,100 private-sector jobs under Walker, who set a goal of 250,000 new such jobs in his first four-year term.

http://media.jsonline.com/images/PFACT23.jpg

Yep , he's done quite well replacing Higher paying middle class Jobs with lower wage Jobs. He has been a great step in the right direction.

- JMHO

ihookem · « **Reply #96 on:** March 25, 2012, 10:16:23 AM »

And what about the 150,000 lost jobs the 7 years before he took office?

No mention at least we are not still loosing jobs right?

Right?

? right?

You libs have convicted him as failing almost the day he started. You libs gave Doyle 7 years of excuses and nothing but empathy for him is what you gave Doyle. You won't give Walker the time of day for what he has done. Give credit where it's due. Then the Dems stop the mining bill in spite of Walkers success. What the HELL is the matter with you people?

scootrd · « **Reply #97 on:** March 25, 2012, 10:51:25 AM »

This is not just a Wisconsin issue , I find it simply amazing the push to give large corps even more huge tax incentives with hope of them creating Jobs in state, only for them to say thank you very much, pocket the tax breaks then continue to offshore higher paying Jobs overseas. Fidelity has done the same in Massachusetts as well , and left the state tax payer holding the deficit bag.

When thousands of higher paying middle American Jobs are outsourced , then replaced by a few thousand much lower paying service industry type jobs , states continue to compare these job numbers at equal weight. (preposterous)

Well tell that to the guy or gal who was earning lets say 40k and is now only earning a 20k because his higher paying job is now in China and he is working retail at a wall mart to feed his family all the while seeing is taxes increase to make up for the state shortfalls if his quality of life hasn't been affected by these ridiculous policies.

With huge budget disparities state corporate Governor puppets continue to receive nothing in return from the corporations they have served so well and so foolishly. Well at least when their Govt jobs don't pan out for 'em they can work in private sector for the large corps they so readily served at the expense of the common man. Quid pro Quo.

Meet the new Boss , Same as the old boss ,
We wont get fooled again.

and the federal level is not excused either - 445 days since we gave these guys a second chance and not one Jobs bill has been passed. Not a single one.

http://www.whenarethejobs.com/

gunny4 · « **Reply #98 on:** March 25, 2012, 01:08:15 PM »

++++1

Buckskin · « **Reply #99 on:** March 26, 2012, 03:31:58 AM »

Quote from: ihookem on March 25, 2012, 10:16:23 AM

And what about the 150,000 lost jobs the 7 years before he took office? No mention at least we are not still loosing jobs right? Right? ? right? You libs have convicted him as failing almost the day he started. You libs gave Doyle 7 years of excuses and nothing but empathy for him is what you gave Doyle. You won't give Walker the time of day for what he has done. Give credit where it's due. Then the Dems stop the mining bill in spite of Walkers success. What the HELL is the matter with you people?

That is a great question, and one that I ponder every day. The only thing that I can come up with is that the liberals don't care about anything but themselves. They use class warefare as the weapon (as Scootr does with every post) to create a dependant nation that have their hands out for everything. Why work when you can sit on unemployment for 2+ years? Why work when you can get a government check for doing nothing? Why buy a phone when the government will give it to you? Why work when you can get everything I need from the government? That's not what this country was built on, but this liberal movement is what will destroy us. We became the greatest country the world has ever seen in less than 200 years, the liberals will destroy all that is great in less than 20.

scootrd · « **Reply #100 on:** March 26, 2012, 06:08:51 AM »

Quote from: Buckskin on March 26, 2012, 03:31:58 AM

They use class warefare as the weapon (as Scootr does with every post) to create a dependant nation that have their hands out for everything.

Call it what you will , but this republican party is so far removed from the republican party I grew up with.

If you think providing huge tax breaks for large corps and receiving nothing in return but more off shoring of American jobs as class warfare I'm not here to change your mind. I call it corporate welfare and greed.
If you think balancing state budgets on the backs of the working poor to shore up lost revenues and receiving nothing in return , as a step in the right direction - well then have at it. Walker is your man.
Walker is the ipitomy of a bought and paid for RINO corporate puppet Governor.

As to this NEW republican party in general - it has lost it's mind -

Republicans were for The Nuclear START Treaty, now they are against
Republicans were for The Dream act now they are against
Republicans were for TARP now they are against
Republicans were for The Auto Bailout before they were against
Republicans were for Israel Going Back To Pre-1967 Borders, now they are against
Republicans were for Infrastructure Spending now they are against
Republicans were for Deficit Spending to fund wars now they are against Deficit Spending
Republicans were for Financial Disclosure McCain-Feingold in 2002 now they were against
Republicans tout they are for lower taxes but only for the top % ( educate yourself on Ryan and Romneys proposals).

You do realize this whole Romney care / Obama care fiasco started out as a new republican idea?.
Our republican party was the first to push for the individual health care mandate .
If you think the party that touts small Gov't , then wants to intervene in every aspect of my personal life, my wife's health issues, and push their own theology on others is small and non-intrusive Gov't .. well again that's your prerogative.
If you think Tax reform means continuously providing tax breaks with our tax dollars to subsidize some of the largest corporations who are raking in all time high profits as a further step in the right direction - well so be it.
If you think fighting all these overseas wars and extending our military to become the world police as a superb policy - hey go for it.

Ill stick with Ron Paul on the national scene ,
and stand against radical agenda Governors like Walker at state level everytime. You can do as you please.
Sorry I don't fit into your Far right, radical republican extremist (what you think or view is a true republican) box.
But don't try and lecture me on class warfare without the facts.

Here's a little pop quiz for ya since this is a gun site -
Where did you stand on the Brady Bill ?
Where do you think Reagan stood on the Brady bill?

Buckskin · « **Reply #101 on:** March 26, 2012, 07:44:38 AM »

Scootr,
You don't really think I read your posts, do you???

Walker is moving the state in the right direction, period.. And public sector unions don't want to pay their fair share like all of the rest of us have done for decades. So they whine and stop their feet like 4 year olds, hold up their blue fist signs and chant, shame, shame, shame. It's actually kind of funny to watch the liberal grown men and women act like children and the conservatives their parents who know better...

gunny4 · « **Reply #102 on:** March 26, 2012, 11:17:33 AM »

Hey buckskin whats the point in replying to the post if your not reading them ? Scootrd has some very valid points and you come back with drivel!

ihookem · « **Reply #103 on:** March 26, 2012, 11:55:27 AM »

Scooter you are putting accusations that are very foolish. Example: When did republicans vote on weather to support pre 67 boarders for Israel??? Goofy accusation. We were for then against the bail out? Just how many republicans voted for the bail out and how many dems voted for it? Mcain / Feingold Financial disclosure ? Huh, Feingold didn't even comply with his own bill last time he ran. Conservatives complained and we were called " petty". And ya know , all I hear from liberals is " tax break for the rich" Again, the top 1% wage earners pay 36.7 % of the federal taxes. The gov. wants to give them a tax break for buisness expenses and they get accused of giving millions away to " the rich" . The rich get tax breaks , yes, but the poor don't pay anything at all so of course the rich get the tax breaks. How can you give a tax break to those who don't pay anything?? Very strange accusations.

Buckskin · « **Reply #104 on:** March 26, 2012, 01:00:50 PM »

Quote from: gunny4 on March 26, 2012, 11:17:33 AM

Hey buckskin whats the point in replying to the post if your not reading them ? Scootrd has some very valid points and you come back with drivel!

I didn't reply to the post, I asked a question... Drivel to you maybe, facts to those with logic...

scootrd · « **Reply #105 on:** March 26, 2012, 03:04:20 PM »

Quote from: ihookem on March 26, 2012, 11:55:27 AM

Scooter you are putting accusations that are very foolish. Example: When did republicans vote on weather to support pre 67 boarders for Israel??? Goofy accusation.

Not accusations Facts.

Israel Going Back To Pre-1967 Borders -
Many Presidents have supported this, even George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush.

We were for then against the bail out? Just how many republicans voted for the bail out and how many dems voted for it?

Bail Out of Auto Industry -

Republicans once supported the bailout but abandoned it once President Obama called for it. The auto industry is a vital manufacturing sector that supports millions of American jobs. The bail out has been a success with most of the money plus interest paid back to the taxpayers. Mitt Romney has since tried to take credit for the idea because it has been so successful. Mitt the flip flop!!

Mcain / Feingold Financial disclosure ? Huh, Feingold didn't even comply with his own bill last time he ran.

Republicans were all for Mcain / Feingold in 2002 when they passed and President Bush signed McCain-Feingold into law. Campaign financing laws have always been supported by Republicans and Democrats alike. Republicans are now completely against financial disclosure. They have allied themselves with the corporate world over the American people.

Casull · « **Reply #106 on:** March 26, 2012, 05:46:28 PM »

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Republicans were all for Mcain / Feingold in 2002 when they passed and President Bush signed McCain-Feingold into law.

I don't want to say that the above is a lie, BUT, the Republicans were NOT "all for Mcain/Feingold" and even a glimpse at the facts would reveal this. For example, just take a look at the vote in the senate. Republicans voted 38 to 12 AGAINST Mccain/Feingold, while the democrats voted 47 to 3 in FAVOR of it. By a HUGE margin, Repubilicans were AGAINST it. Better try again.

gunny4 · « **Reply #107 on:** March 26, 2012, 09:02:03 PM »

You want facts ,how about a war that costs $5000.00 per second,that's right "per second" That was put on a credit card by the republicans!!! For what, to make the defense contractors rich? Now that's supposed to be fiscally conservative? Thanks alot republicans.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #108 on:** March 27, 2012, 03:25:48 AM »

If you look at the voting record for the first bailout, most republicans voted AGAINST the bailout. Since the dems controlled both houses of congress, it got passed.

Buckskin · « **Reply #109 on:** March 27, 2012, 03:34:54 AM »

Quote from: gunny4 on March 26, 2012, 09:02:03 PM

You want facts ,how about a war that costs $5000.00 per second,that's right "per second" That was put on a credit card by the republicans!!! For what, to make the defense contractors rich? Now that's supposed to be fiscally conservative? Thanks alot republicans.

Do you mean the Iraq war??? The one that 40% of the donkeys in the house and 58% of the donkeys in the senate voted for. Oh yeah now I remember. Do YOU??? Facts hurt sometimes...

And don't even bring up the weapons of mass destruction bs. Congress had access to information to make up their own minds on that...

United States House of Representatives

Party	Ayes	Nays	PRES	No Vote
Republican	215	6	0	2
Democratic	82	126	0	1
Independent	0	1	0	0
TOTALS	297	133	0	3

United States Senate

Party	Ayes	Nays	No Vote
Republican	48	1	0
Democratic	29	21	0
Independent	0	1	0
TOTALS	77	23	0

ihookem · « **Reply #110 on:** March 27, 2012, 07:57:56 AM »

Please don't judge republicans by what Mitt Romney says, ok!! Thanks. I think I'm done here. Got my new bow to shoot. The sun will come up when the republicans are in control or dems. Reminds me of Habakkuk chapter 3 The grapes wither on the vine and the stalls are empty but I will praise the Lord anyway. If Falk becomes governor My taxes go back up but I will praise the Lord anyway. When "O" won I said to my wife and kids we do not trust government, we trust God. A rightous man will succeed regardless. Win or loose in 2012 chin up God is in control The Lord is may ROCK!!

scootrd · « **Reply #111 on:** March 27, 2012, 08:03:43 AM »

Quote from: ihookem on March 27, 2012, 07:57:56 AM

Please don't judge republicans by what Mitt Romney says, ok!! Thanks. I think I'm done here. Got my new bow to shoot. The sun will come up when the republicans are in control or dems. Reminds me of Habakkuk chapter 3 The grapes wither on the vine and the stalls are empty but I will praise the Lord anyway. If Falk becomes governor My taxes go back up but I will praise the Lord anyway. When "O" won I said to my wife and kids we do not trust government, we trust God. A rightous man will succeed regardless. Win or loose in 2012 chin up God is in control The Lord is may ROCK!!

Thanks for that. brings it all back round to ground level. I enjoy these debates as well as anyone else . But sound advice as what you stated always brings it back to the basics of what is truly important in life.

Peace be with you.

Casull · « **Reply #112 on:** March 27, 2012, 08:49:06 AM »

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You want facts ,how about a war that costs $5000.00 per second,that's right "per second" That was put on a credit card by the republicans!!! For what, to make the defense contractors rich? Now that's supposed to be fiscally conservative? Thanks alot republicans.

Now that's funny. Same old democrat play. Lose an argument or don't like the facts, just change the subject.

gunny4 · « **Reply #113 on:** March 27, 2012, 09:34:49 AM »

By all means if 8 years of george bush left you better off then continue voting republican. What will the republicans have to blame when all the unions are gone? Oh i know must be all those poor people putting a drag on our system ! The party of no is sending this country in a race to the bottom. Lets see ,how many more jobs can the republicans offshore . True Patriots that they are?

ihookem · « **Reply #114 on:** March 27, 2012, 10:03:38 AM »

Republicans don't offshore anything. Strict EPA, DNR, high taxes, high wages, crazy law suites ETC do.

Casull · « **Reply #115 on:** March 27, 2012, 10:05:02 AM »

Has 3 years of obama left anyone (other than fly-by-night greenie companies) better off?

BUGEYE · « **Reply #116 on:** March 27, 2012, 10:38:56 AM »

I went by SIU back in the sixties where my dad was installing water heaters in some dorm buildings(union plumber),was just gonna say hi and I found him sitting in his car drinking coffee.
nearby was a semi with a trailer load of pipe, but he had to wait for a laborer to come unload it.
when I left an hour later, he was still sitting.
unions cost us a lot of extra money. of course they do have to pay for luxurious vacation spots in the carribbean and payola to democrats.

Buckskin · « **Reply #117 on:** March 27, 2012, 10:40:31 AM »

Quote from: Casull on March 27, 2012, 08:49:06 AM

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You want facts ,how about a war that costs $5000.00 per second,that's right "per second" That was put on a credit card by the republicans!!! For what, to make the defense contractors rich? Now that's supposed to be fiscally conservative? Thanks alot republicans.
Now that's funny. Same old democrat play. Lose an argument or don't like the facts, just change the subject.

That it's how it's taught in the union.... Diversion, class warefare, insane chanting and don't forget...Blame Bush for everything, even though the Donkeys controlled the senate. LOL, this is too easy!

gunny4 · « **Reply #118 on:** March 27, 2012, 01:53:53 PM »

So if the republicans have all the ansewers, which is typically cut taxes for the uber rich and then the trickle down is to create jobs? So what happened under 8 years of Bush tax breaks? it created jobs alright ,just not in this country! Oh and by the way how were those tax breaks paid for? I f the republicans are on the right road for this country then how come McCain did,nt get elected ? How much of our paychecks do we want to spend on bombs?How did that work out for the Soviet Union ? Lastly its amazing to me how the republicans hate unions, they would rather tear down wages instead of trying to bring everyones up. It is a race to the bottom.

Casull · « **Reply #119 on:** March 27, 2012, 02:38:15 PM »

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So if the republicans have all the ansewers, which is typically cut taxes for the uber rich and then the trickle down is to create jobs?

Another liberal lie. Bush cut taxes on ALL who PAID taxes.