Recall Governor Walker??

[jcn59]

I'm thinking they will get sufficient signatures to force the recall election.  There are liberal turds poluting street corners everywhere getting signatures.  Tim Cullen (D) said he will run if he gets a chance.  I wish Mark Neuman (R) won, what with him being a real businessman, and never been involved in politics.
 
Schools are the largest employers in many of our small towns, and Walker hasn't made any friends there.  Of course, most of those people didn't vote for him in the first place.   What do you think will happen?
 
I just sent Walker a thank you for everything he's done, and I told him that he's welcome to dip into the state taxes I've paid in if he needs money to fight the recall.

[buck460XVR]

I believe it's much to do about nuttin'. Just like the protest in Madison, folks cryin' cause they now have to pay their fair share and then they create a big mess and cost the state millions more in cleanup and security.  The majority of the folks here like what Walker has done for us so far and he will win the recall election if there is one. Some folks need to get a clue. Ask the new school teachers that got hired after those with problems paying a small percentage for their health care quit. They are happier than a 6 toed frog to have a good paying job with better benefits than most others that work in the private sector. To many of us have sacrificed for too long, so a few don't have to.

[jcn59]

I see Walker winning a recall election. 
 
I still think going after teachers was a cheap shot.  Here, our teachers start at 31,000 and don't get to 50,000 until after 10-15 years.  A brand new graduate with a degree in engineering STARTS well over 50,000 with the same level of education as a teacher.  If you supress the wages of a profession pretty soon only the least competent will apply for those jobs.   Is that what we want? 
 
Walker has done things by signing Act 35 & 51 that we have waited a long time for.  He has my vote!

[ihookem]

Scott Walker will never loose an election. They can recall, scream and cry all they want. I don't think it was a cheap shot on the teachers at all. The teachers union owned their own health ins. company and were charging whatever they wanted. Some single male premium were 76% higher than private ins. premiums. The same liberals that despise corporate ins. profits ended up being the the greediest in the bunch.  Then to ask for 12% for their bennies, it was a long time coming. When Wisconsin tax payers open up their tax bill and see it finally stopped going through the roof they will see what Walker is doing. The libs don't even have a candidate. It is not in the liberals favor that it's making the news that one guy signed the recall 80 times, so far. He will win, and maybe someday this state will be worth retiring in ,,,, maybe.

[jcn59]

A lot of the people screeching that the teachers had it coming go to Walmart and spend their paycheck on chinese  goods (not any of us, of course).  There's nothing wrong with Americans earning a good income.  I wish Walker would have changed the insurance laws so all of us could pay less, not just teachers.  I'm hoping the recall election is a real slap in the face for Tim Cullen and the rest of the left.

[Dee]

I think a recall election is an excellent idea for Walker in Wisconsin. Then the unions can further demonstrate their self-centeredness form of constant whining, and the general public will be even sicker of them than they already are. There is noting like getting a gut full of a sore loser, to further enhance an already bad position, on an already lost election. Go ahead union liberals! Start a petition, and get that recall. It will be a great news paper headline. "Unions get she-lacked! AGAIN!"
I sincerely hope that the people of Wisconsin hold on this, as it is a GREAT EXAMPLE of what the rest of the country should do, including my home state of Texas. OUR governor will not step into the fray over the Border Patrolmen stationed our state, being fired and prosecuted. for sharing their opinions openly, and or inforcing drug trafficing laws. I pay homeowners taxes to local colleges, and Perry gives illegals a far better deal than, I or my children got, or in one son, gets.
Hang in there Wisconsin!

[myronman3]

  i am one of those that think the recall will not succeed.   i could be wrong, but i doubt i am.   i think the people spoke, and will speak again....loud and clear. 

[Alaska Dave]

I believe that the people that want this recall so bad should foot the bill. Everyone who signed the petition should pay $100 dollars. You do know who will be footing the bill for this recall don't you, Every tax payer including the ones against the recall.

[ihookem]

Scott Walker is getting more popular as days go on. He visited a radio station that has Rush on but not a real conservative bunch that work there.  The conservative talk show host said even the liberals were standing in line to see him. The liberal media makes it sound like it is a sure thing he is in for a big battle.  Not so, there is a guy wanting to run for office in Milwaukee so he walks around with a clip board. Everyone is running away from him. He can't even get close to anyone. It will be a wipe out unless the conservatives get lazy and stay home.

[1puckaway]

Scotty lost us 17 thousand jobs this year just the most in the country .He cut uw systems 46 million ,health care18 million and yes I have a special needs son .I hope every one that wants to keep the big money coke brothers out of our state signs the recall.

[379 Peterbilt]

You say that as if had Walker not been elected, all of those 17,000 jobs would be staying here. Jobs have been going to China since Jim Doyle was gobberner.
 
 States can't print money like the feds, which is why in many states it takes an R to clean up the mess that a D has left behind.  Money can't be free to anyone and everyone all of the time for ever and ever...
 
 

[ihookem]

We still have a net gain of jobs the last year. Don't let the liberal media fool you. Here is how it goes to prove how rotten the liberals are. Yes we lost 10,000 jobs this month, but they don't mention how many jobs came in to the state. They say this when talking about Walker. Guess what they do when talking about Obama. They tell how many jobs were created, not mentioning the jobs lost. The liberals are despicable liars. We still have a net gain in Wisconsin. Something Doyle seldom can boast.  If ya don't like the way republicans run this state,, again for the millionth time look south to Illinois or Detroit. They did everything they shouldn't have done and have companies looking elsewhere to the point they are taking corp. taxes from smaller companies that are too small to lobby and giving it to the big companies. Sears, John Handcock ETC. so they will stay.

[jcn59]

Who to vote for?   Simple.    Businessmen who create wealth, Neumann, Johnson, etc.)  OR career politicians who create debt (Kohl, Feingold, Cullen, etc.).  Never was a career politician who created wealth.  It's almost that simple.

[scootrd]

We still have a net gain of jobs the last year. Don't let the liberal media fool you. Here is how it goes to prove how rotten the liberals are. Yes we lost 10,000 jobs this month, but they don't mention how many jobs came in to the state. They say this when talking about Walker. Guess what they do when talking about Obama. They tell how many jobs were created, not mentioning the jobs lost. The liberals are despicable liars. We still have a net gain in Wisconsin. Something Doyle seldom can boast.  If ya don't like the way republicans run this state,, again for the millionth time look south to Illinois or Detroit. They did everything they shouldn't have done and have companies looking elsewhere to the point they are taking corp. taxes from smaller companies that are too small to lobby and giving it to the big companies. Sears, John Handcock ETC. so they will stay.

Jobs report  -  12/18/11
A new report from the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia shows Wisconsin dead last in the nation when it comes to job creation. Wisconsin lost 14,600 jobs in November, according to the most recent data. That includes a loss of 11,700 private sector jobs and a loss of 2,900 government jobs.

There was also a slight bit of good news as well -

In November 2011, Wisconsin’s unemployment rate fell 0.4 percentage point to 7.3%. It continues to be below the U.S. unemployment rate.

[jcn59]

Most of us who have been in WI for a while would blame that on the left, plus the feds promote exporting jobs.  Even young Duffy, the shining star from the north promoted the free trade agreement with S. Korea.  Must be some republican business owner wants to move his plant to S.Korea.  Or maybe obama told him he had to if he ever expects to be president.  This country has lost jobs too fast to calculate since NAFTA.

We, The People, have been sold out.  No use trying to make sense of it.

[scootrd]

one other note regarding Job Growth projection rates for Wisconsin.
Wisconsin ranks: (projections)

• 39th in the long term Job Growth over next 10 years
• 32nd in Job Growth over next 5 years
• 43rd in Job Growth over the 1 year

But a shining star  in all these dismal projections -

I predict GB will win the Superbowl !!!!!!!
I wish I had , had some discretionary $$ I would have bought 1 share of GB stock to frame and put on the wall.
Go Pack!!!!!

[ihookem]

Yes, Scootrd, these are projections though. It may happen , it may not.  Many don't want Wisconsin to succeed because of Scott Walker. Job losses are one thing, net losses and gains are another. Unemployment went down. That's good, unless a very high number of job seekers just up and quit. I don't know. I still say we are in much better shape than many states. Here is why. We have a balanced budget. In tough times this is crucial. You can have more jobs but if the ship is sinking it won't do much good. Our Wisconsin ship is afloat, for now and Wisconsin is living within it's means. Example: If a guy is making 20k and pays his bills and out of debt he is better of than the neighbor making 50k and ready for bankrupt court. It also does no good to Wisconsin when we have union leaders lobbying against union jobs for  an iron mine in northern Wisconsin. Who on earth would have thought he would face such irrational opposition? Again, union leader lobbying against union jobs in spite of Scott Walker.

[1puckaway]

Gutting the education system.is the worst thing that can be done. I am not a teacher!. I am a business owner with out keeping up with the rest of the world is occupation suicide I feel the ignorance of our politicians if not already is destroying our country. Any one want to do a reality check ,check how our children stack up against the rest of the world in education.

[jcn59]

Blaming the teachers is a good idea because there are many short-sighted people out there who get absorbed with that sort of thing and lose focus on the greater problems caused by the federal government. 
 
It's just the way obama wants it.  But it's okay to feel differently, we have a Republic here in the USA.
 
Don't forget, Congress created the problems, not teachers.

[ihookem]

I wish folks wouldn't accuse Walker of " gutting the school system. He never did any such thing. As a matter of fact Wisconsin spends an all out ton of money per student. Most likely the top 5 states for spending money on school kids. If we are to compete with other countries we need to start kicking the  disrupting kids out  of class instead of giving them excuses like A.D.D. Listen and learn or get the F out of school. Can't do that, might lower his self esteem. Need to tell the teachers to teach the kids or hit the road. In the Kewaskum school district in where my kid is in high school it is glaring many of these teachers are down right lousy and should be replaced by unemployed private school teachers that will do a better job at half the cost. Example: my kid had a terrible time with his algebra teacher. She could not explain how to solve problems. My 19 yr. old daughter shows him a better way in 15 min. This happens all the time. My daughter in college to be a school teacher has said this all through high school. Many don't know how to teach, they only know how to show up and complain when the kids don't get it.

[scootrd]

I don't know if it's good or bad as I do not know Wisconsin's school Budget before the cut. But here are latest stats. Back in June Wisconsin cut  $750 million in general state aid for the 2011-13 budget,  reduced support for specific school programs, and implemented new restrictions on how much revenue districts may raise at the local level. Overall this add sup to about 1 billion in cuts.

In the last four school years for which there are data, Wisconsin student/teacher ratios slid from 21st to 30th.
The number of students for each teacher in Wisconsin has increased slightly 14.6 to 14.9. (national average is 15.3)

The national average per student expenditure across all states was $10,586. per student (with New Jersey being highest). In Wisconsin the average per pupil Annual expenditure IN public schools is $9,993.

 Per pupil spending in Wisconsin between 2003 and 2008 was flat. In 2010 Wisconsin’s rank in instructional spending per pupil dropped from 11th nationally to 16th.

Wisconsin's Percent of public school fourth graders unable to read at grade level 67%, unable to do math at grade level 55%
Wisconsin Percent of public school eighth graders unable to read at grade level 66% , unable to do math at grade level 61%
Wisconsin Number of high school students who drop out of school annually is Approx 12,869

[buck460XVR]

Problem is not the teachers, but the way school systems spend their monies.  Last year a school board member in our district recommended creating an administrative job for saving energy costs by the district. It basically means writing notes to teachers to shut their lights off and turn the thermostat down in their classroom when they are not being used. It pays I believe,  around $75,000 a year plus bennies. Guess who resigned from the school board to take this position? Last year they started 4 year old kindergarten here.....it's basically free daycare for working moms. It also kept staff numbers up because there was  declining enrollment at the older levels. They also went from a intramural middle school football program where coaching positions were volunteer with no transportation costs to having TWO traveling teams. Before this everyone who wanted to play got the opportunity to play, now only those kids that make the "cut" get bussed around the state and are coached by paid district employees. Fewer kids get a positive experience and it cost us a 'ell of a lot more. This @ a time when their budgets are being cut? We look @ cost per student, but what about cost per Varsity football payer? My sons both were 3 season athletes during High School. They were a small percentage of the total student population. But still the district deemed the school system needed to fully pay for them to play a sport. Funny, before High School, I paid for them to play "club" sports. I certainly would have paid for them to play on High School teams. I do believe that those that can't afford to play should not be left out, but that's what the Booster Club is for. 20 years ago I helped coach High School Hockey and did it for free. Now all the coaches are district employees and paid a stipend.

We  all need to live within our means, same is true for school districts. In my industry in the last few years, many have lost their jobs, have had to tighten their belts and trim the fat, given up some benefits and pay more for health insurance. Why not the school districts? I am all for quality education and teachers receiving fair pay, but in my profession one needs to produce a quality product at a reasonable cost or go belly up. Same thinking needs to be applied to schools. One of the K-6 grade principles here was making over $120,000 a year in salary and bennies. His school had about 200 students in it. That's over $500 a student just for his salary alone. Give me a break.

Walker did not do this alone. The majority of Wisconsinites told him this is what they wanted him to do instead of letting the state get into a Korneyforney situation, or even worse. We now have a balanced budget for the first time in years. How many of us can continue to spend more than we earn, year after year and get away with it? Not me.

[Buckskin]

Scootrd's back!!!  Haven't heard from you since the Walker won the battle against the unions!  Where have you been???
 
No chance Walker will get beat in the recall.  The libs are having a tough time getting enough signatures with a reasonable cushion to force the recall.  They will get there, but anyone who wants him out has already signed and my guess is that they will have about 10-15% of the signatures will get tossed.  Most people are really getting sick of the whiney, childish behavior of the liberals and their unions.
 
The liberals will lose this battle just as they have every single one over last couple of years.  And it's just the beginning, when ZerObama gets bumped the fun will really begin...
 
And anyone who thinks that we are loosing the world's education race because of money is crazy.  You look at the amount of money that is spent in this state per pupil and what is spent in China, India, Japan, etc., it's not even close.  Problem here is that most of the money goes to the unions and the teacher's lavish benefits than the students.  The unions are the reason for the poor education that our children get, they protect the poor teachers instead of promoting new and prospering teachers.  Pay for performance instead of years served, fire poor teachers and then see how our schools turn around.

[jcn59]

BUCK, I HOPE YOU GUYS VOTED OUT THE ENTIRE SCHOOL BOARD THAT APPROVED ALL THOSE UNNECESSARY EXPENSES! 

Just to put things in perspective,  at my son's school, the cost is closer to $300. per student per year for the principal. 
 
That $300. would be about equal to the charge for 4 hours work where you take your car to be repaired.  OR, When I take my dog to the vet, the assistant clips my dogs nails & the vet charges me $14. for ten minutes work.  That's $84. dollars an hour!
 
Think how affordable this would be to all of us if half our income was not taxed away like it is now.  The problem is NOT the school, it is the government and they have you all begrudging teachers their earnings, and none of you are chastising Scott Walker and congress for their pensions, insurance and other perks.   
 
The expression that comes to my mind is "Can't see the forest for the trees"!

[scootrd]

Scootrd's back!!!  Haven't heard from you since the Walker won the battle against the unions!  Where have you been???

Hi Buckskin
My step father was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.  I took time away to take care of him in his final months.
We lost him to the cancer at the end of September.  It was blessing I was able to spend the final summer months
together with him.

[ihookem]

Jnc59, it's not a fair comparison when looking at teachers salaries to self employed owners. Huge difference. Ya 84 an hr is too much, don't go there. Also Spending on student may not count when it comes to teachers insurance premiums. I'm not sure. Here is a huge problem I wrote about a while back. The teachers union owned their own health ins. company. In the teachers contracts the sate had to buy health ins. through the union owned ins. company. This became the biggest rip off on earth. Wisconsin tax payers were under agreement to pay WHATEVER THE INS. COMPANY DEMANDED! For a single male the premiums in some cases where 76% higher than privately owned companies offering the same package. With Walkers new law school districts were allowed to shop around, quickly finding out just how badly everyone was cheated. A school district south of me saved so much money by hiring  private ins. companies to take over the  packages they had plenty of money left over to hire several teachers and even lower the property taxes throughout the whole district. I'd also like to point out these same liberals are always complaining about high profits of ins. companies. Find out they were the worst of the bunch. Total hypocrites!!!!!!!!!!

[buck460XVR]

 
Think how affordable this would be to all of us if half our income was not taxed away like it is now.  The problem is NOT the school, it is the government and they have you all begrudging teachers their earnings, and none of you are chastising Scott Walker and congress for their pensions, insurance and other perks.   
 
The expression that comes to my mind is "Can't see the forest for the trees"!

yep, the forest is full of trees. .......................and schools are part of that government you P&M about so much. They are not the private enterprise like your dogs groomer or the auto tech....they are part of the government, which is why there is so much waste and corruption. Teachers technically are government employees and we all have heard those jokes and comparisons. They're paid by the same tax base as the county worker that plows my road. You want the government to tighten their belts and cut waste and fat, schools need to do it too. We can do this without reducing the quality of our education, believe me. As I said before, my D-I-L replaced a teacher who retired early because of the cuts Walker proposed. She can't believe the pay scale and the bennies she receives. Funny thing is, her previous employer was the Federal Government.

[jcn59]

The teachers don't take the money from us, the government does, and then they squander it.   Being angry with the teachers is like being angry with Egypt because we send them a big fat foreign aid check.  The entity who steals the money from us isn't the teachers, it's our government.  Why is this concept so difficult to grasp. 

During a portion of my life I was a successful business man.  Part of the "other" time I worked for DILHR, my county of residence (in a professional position), and in my earlier "foundry" days, in a UAW shop.  Most of our kids would feel abused if they had to work under the conditions in that foundry.  That experience lead me to college so I wouldn't have to work my life out in that place. 

[1puckaway]

Cool now that we have a solution to a problem who are we going to run for governor?. I  nominate buck460xvr

[1puckaway]

Watching the  chick-fil -A game a good one Virgina and Auburn each team receives SIX MILLON DOLLARS . I'm just saying