Author Topic: LA boycotts arizona (Read 3167 times)

teamnelson · « **Reply #30 on:** May 20, 2010, 01:11:36 AM »

Lot has changed since 2000.

Check the utility company sites for CA and AZ. CA has to import 20% of their power while AZ generates more than it uses. CA hasn't built a generator in over a decade, AZ is building 6, and deregulated so they could lock in a long term contract on the wholesale market. CA is prohibited from long term contracts so they have to constantly renew, usually at higher price. And CAs use has skyrocketed faster than their neighbors. The fact is, they buy from AZ, but if AZ won't sell next time it's up for consideration, CA will still have power, but at higher prices from another state. Maybe if CA enforced immigration laws their power consumption would drop and they wouldn't need AZ anyway? Just a thought.

gypsyman · « **Reply #31 on:** May 20, 2010, 02:45:34 AM »

wreckhog, smells like a shell game that enron is playing. Lets swap power, and charge the consumer for it. Might not work this time. Looks like AZ might be feed up with the tricks. gypsyman

beadhead · « **Reply #32 on:** May 20, 2010, 09:37:00 AM »

Folks, a couple centuries ago the militias of CA and AZ would be on alert. We've become so enamored of our obese federal government we've forgotten that the federation of sovereign states aka U.S.A. relies on the cooperation of peers, not the coercion of the Fed.

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Which militias? A couple of centuries ago, CA and AZ were part of the Spanish Empire, and later, Mexico. AZ didn't even become a state until 1912.

Sourdough · « **Reply #33 on:** May 20, 2010, 10:31:25 AM »

I was listening last night to an interview of some one in Arizonia. They were talking about how Las Angelas wanted to cancel all the contracts they had with Arizonia. Arizonia pointed out one of the contracts they wanted to cancel was the contract to buy power from Arizonia, and that Arizonia supplied 20% of LAs power. They were just pointing out LAs big screw-up. Arizonia don't care if LA does not want the power someone else will galdly take it.

San Diago city officials started cancelling seminars, conventions, meetings, and other functions they had scheduled in Arizonia. Arizonia hotels put out the word. San Diago hotels started recieving cancellations on seminars, conventions, and functions from orginazations from all across the country. Now the San Diago Hotel Groups are screaming at the San Diago City Officials who started this mess.

I was laughing all the way home.

bearmgc · « **Reply #34 on:** May 20, 2010, 10:40:55 AM »

Quote from: Cabin4 on May 19, 2010, 04:41:37 PM

Boycott California.

There was a whole nuther thread on this very concept, and folks whined about the good people of Kalifornia suffering because of the libtard few. I am boycotting Kalifornia for many reasons, and am now adding Kalifornia's political threats to my long list, of excluding Kalifornia products from my life. People either want undocumented aliens or they don't, and will do whatever, according to their own agenda. Face it, Kalifornia has its reasons for wanting illegal aliens, and it aint for "social justice" reasons. Its about money and cheap labor and the votes of Hispanic "relatives." Not going to change, but they sure as heck will try to bully other states into siding with their agenda.

AtlLaw · « **Reply #35 on:** May 20, 2010, 11:06:14 AM »

Quote from: beadhead on May 20, 2010, 09:37:00 AM

Which militias? A couple of centuries ago, ...

What's a few years amoung patriots!? TN's point:

Quote from: TeamNelson on May 19, 2010, 01:01:33 PM

We've become so enamored of our obese federal government we've forgotten that the federation of sovereign states aka U.S.A. relies on the cooperation of peers, not the coercion of the Fed.

should be well taken!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #36 on:** May 20, 2010, 11:11:10 AM »

You know what who cares about the "good " ones ? In WW2 we took out the good Japaneese and Germans along with the bad ones . Hey the good ones had a chance to get their mess stright and did not . Today its all about not hurting the ones that are not in the fight . In war or politics its the same knocking off the point does very little you need to break the spear head off and crush the shaft . Any one notice this kinder and gentler attitude ain't getting it ? Close the border but for a gate or two and if legal then invite them in if not them don't . We have enough people out of work to put on the border as look outs to make it impossible to sneak across.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #37 on:** May 20, 2010, 01:09:20 PM »

hmmmm do give a rats ass.

support Arizona !!!!

teamnelson · « **Reply #38 on:** May 20, 2010, 01:33:54 PM »

Quote from: beadhead on May 20, 2010, 09:37:00 AM

Folks, a couple centuries ago the militias of CA and AZ would be on alert. We've become so enamored of our obese federal government we've forgotten that the federation of sovereign states aka U.S.A. relies on the cooperation of peers, not the coercion of the Fed.

Which militias? A couple of centuries ago, CA and AZ were part of the Spanish Empire, and later, Mexico. AZ didn't even become a state until 1912.
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Did you know the term "militia" was not coined by the writers of the Constitution? It has always simply referred to an army comprised of citizens as opposed to professional soldiers. So it is perfectly acceptable to imagine that citizens living in the region known as Arizona today might bear arms against the citizens in the region known as California today over serious economic harm. Not unlike a range war over building a dam on a river and cutting off water to neighboring ranches. The point is, what is happening today most likely would've resulted in an actual violent conflict a few centuries back, most likely conducted by citizens with weapons, as opposed to professional troops.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #39 on:** May 20, 2010, 02:46:43 PM »

Quote from: Dee on May 12, 2010, 06:01:02 PM

California has been the Cradle of Decadence for decades. I don't really care what they think about anything. There are some good folks out there, and I guess they stay because it's their home, but I could think of better places to live.

The place would be great if we could get rid of the Liberal morons, the Racists that think we need to cater to the "brown people" cause they could not take care of themselves other wise, and the Socialists that think you make way too much money nad you need to share, and last the enviromental wack jobs that caused the electrical problems a few years ago when the South Coast Air Quality Managment Department (SCAQMD) Had generators turned off that hit 90+% of thier emmissions output and when the one generator that was at 50% broke they were fining the company $10,000 and hour of run time for the generator that had 90+% to be turned back on once it hit the 100 % and would not credit the 50% from a similar plant that broke to the undamaged generator. Power companies in AZ and TX said we will charge you the rate plus $8K and you are saving $2k an hour. These same commie morons are the ones that then yelled that those states were gouging CA and should return $ and why our power rates spiked, not thinkinfg it was the bueracrats that spiked the prices, tried to line the government agencys pockets and caused the other power companies that enede up saving the people $ buy not having as high of a premium paid. At the same time the SCAQMD will not allow any new power generators to be started and are trying to close others.
Well enough of my rants,
McDuck in Occupied territory.

teamnelson · « **Reply #40 on:** May 20, 2010, 02:52:19 PM »

mcw, stay safe brother.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #41 on:** May 20, 2010, 03:14:21 PM »

I have lived in the occupied Kalifornia territory for 5 years now. Aside from the morons that run the government here in most places and the stupid guns laws, its not that bad a place to live. Never thought I would say that 5 years ago. The weather here is likly the best on the planet. The land itself is some of the best looking there is. Everything from the High country, woods, ocean, great bass fishing, decent hunting to small western towns of the old gold rush. Having said all that, I would high tail it to Idaho, Montana, Wyomig in a flash if I could. The whole of this country is all screwed up. Most states are darn near close to each other in their screwed-up-ness.

tturner53 · « **Reply #42 on:** May 20, 2010, 04:49:14 PM »

I'm a native Californian. The more of this childish useless unproductive noise and school boy chest pounding I hear about California the more proud I am of my state. At least they teach us how to spell. I looked up 'kalifornia', it doesn't exist, except in the minds of people who are more inclined to whine endlessly and do nothing to help the good guys win the fight. I'd sure like to hear more about what somebody is actually doing to help in the fight and less of the hot air. We've got a battle on our hands here that never ends, any help would be appreciated. By the way, somebody show me a state where the cheap illegal labor is not being exploited by someone. As for the LA mayor and city council, what'd you expect? Hannity? Sorry guys, but when you insult my home with so much enthusiasm it kinda stings. By the way, everybody I've talked to about this thing supports Arizona 100%. We've got a candidate running for governor that has a good shot, she's anti illegal immigration big time. Stay tuned, the tide is turning.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #43 on:** May 20, 2010, 05:12:57 PM »

Youre too easily insulted and you come from a ridiculus place where leftist have run the government up to a point where it can't be supported. You want some cheese with that whine?

Grow up and see your beloved state for what it is, a joke run by comedians!
Oh and when you brain surgens get your heads out of your behinds post again and tell us all about the brown tinted view!

jpred1 · « **Reply #44 on:** May 20, 2010, 05:45:02 PM »

From what Im hearing is that most Cali residents do not agree with the boycott of Arizona either. Boycott the people who are boycotting. We gotta do something now as the people. Everyday some new chit comes up that shows what politicians think of us, the tax payers.They do not care what we think.

tturner53 · « **Reply #45 on:** May 20, 2010, 06:34:09 PM »

Ok, we all agree on one thing, we support Arizona and their attempt to solve a big problem. I wouldn't pay too much attention to LA politicians, they are just playing to a local crowd, I doubt if they could care less what Arizona does as long as they get re-elected they're happy. The whole boycott thing is silly. I'll try to stop reacting to the Cal. bashing, I realize I can't stop it. Human nature I guess, everybody wants to be better than someone. Seems I've been here before, defending a great state as if it was necessary. Cal. bashing is a pass time on this forum, but the Moderators? Here's one Californian that's voting with his feet, see ya.

bearmgc · « **Reply #46 on:** May 20, 2010, 06:46:27 PM »

byseeya...yeah, everybody in Kalifornia supports Arizona except the LA politicians, yeahsure. Like its never anybody's fault that a state government has become so bloated, so nanny, that it can't support its own programs. Like the ridiculously expensive state retirement benefits have been voted down everytime by those who don't want entitlements. Everybody got a piece of the bloated expensive state pie, and now Kalifornians are so arrogant that they are actually insulted by others boycotting their state? Hey look in the mirror, and say you don't want the US taxpayers to bail out your state, and try to put on a serious face.
Problem with Kalifornia is the widespread belief that their opinions still matter anymore. Kalifornia has no more credibility and even less "style." Bashing Kalifornia? No, just fed up with your state's bullying of other states actually dealing with a problem. If that hurts, go to your nearest emergency room, if you can still find one that is in business...

wreckhog · « **Reply #47 on:** May 20, 2010, 11:48:54 PM »

LA actually owns the AZ powerplants. So perhaps they could just direct 99+ percent of the plant's output to LA for next to nothing and a mouse fart of power to AZ? That is just as possible as AZ cutting off LA. I think that AZ's only move is shutting down the plants completely. Too ballsy for them. Which LA could then respond to by firing the AZ plant workers, and replacing them with non English speaking Mexicans. You gotta love it. I bet that Gary Pierce is never heard from again.

A few years ago, GUSA, a cutting edge fishing rod company, attempted to move production from LA to AZ. They failed, in large part, because AZ workers were untrainable. Hmmm.

In related news, 60 percent of AZ gasoline comes from CA.

Los Angeles officials couldn't disagree more. They continued to stand by their Arizona boycott after a state utility official -- Arizona Corporation Commission member Gary Pierce -- on Tuesday warned that state power companies would be "happy" to stop sending electricity to Los Angeles if the city really wants to cut ties. Los Angeles gets about a quarter of its electricity from the state.

But on Thursday, the Arizona official appeared to be turning down the voltage on his warning.

After intense media coverage and a fresh round of name-calling, Los Angeles and Arizona officials acknowledge that Arizona could not unilaterally sever those power contracts.

Los Angeles has an ownership stake, albeit a small one, in two Arizona power plants -- one coal plant and one nuclear plant.

Austin Beutner, general manager of the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, flaunted that detail in a statement Wednesday.

"We are part owner of both power plants, which are generating assets of the department," he said. "As such, nothing in the city's resolution is inconsistent with our continuing to receive power from those ... assets." For good measure, the official urged convention organizers who are canceling their Arizona plans to consider the "City of Angels" as their convention destination.

Pierce spokesman John LeSueur conceded that Los Angeles would have to volunteer to abandon those power contracts before the Arizona Corporation Commission could negotiate for other customers to take their place.

"The ball is in L.A.'s court," he said.

But LeSueur said the point his boss was trying to make is that Los Angeles benefits from Arizona and should be prepared to truly cut ties if it wants a genuine boycott.

And he said Beutner's claim that Los Angeles is generating its own resources is bogus since the plants are still based in Arizona.

"That's just a complete non sequitur," he said. "For him to suggest, 'because we own it we're not using Arizona resources,' just doesn't follow."

AtlLaw · « **Reply #48 on:** May 21, 2010, 05:23:12 AM »

Quote from: wreckhog on May 20, 2010, 11:48:54 PM

LA actually owns the AZ powerplants...

Well there you go! I been warning folk for years about these foreign investors buying up American property!

Oldshooter · « **Reply #49 on:** May 21, 2010, 06:28:47 AM »

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Los Angeles has an ownership stake, albeit a small one, in two Arizona power plants -- one coal plant and one nuclear plant.

Get a grip! just support Arizona!! Thats all that matters! Support Arizona, it could mean the difference in our future. The people in Arizona are actually doing something productive to help the illegal imigration problem. Support them unless you support obama you really need to support Arizona.

I support arizona for two reasons. they are right and obama hates it!

bearmgc · « **Reply #50 on:** May 21, 2010, 08:08:45 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on May 20, 2010, 11:11:10 AM

You know what who cares about the "good " ones ? In WW2 we took out the good Japaneese and Germans along with the bad ones . Hey the good ones had a chance to get their mess stright and did not . Today its all about not hurting the ones that are not in the fight . In war or politics its the same knocking off the point does very little you need to break the spear head off and crush the shaft . Any one notice this kinder and gentler attitude ain't getting it ? Close the border but for a gate or two and if legal then invite them in if not them don't . We have enough people out of work to put on the border as look outs to make it impossible to sneak across.

I wholeheartedly support Arizona. All the "political correctness" that has pervaded America is detroying our great country. Calling a spade a spade is where the discussions SHOULD begin. Still gotta get that t-shirt inscripted with
"Its never Anybody's fault..."

Cabin4 · « **Reply #51 on:** May 21, 2010, 10:17:58 AM »

TTurner53,

Kalifornia deserves to be bashed just like every other state that has taken away our rights. The subject of this thread is the boycott by LA against Arizona. So if you support Arizona then it would seem to me that bashing your own states stupidity is doing something productive. Its part of the political process

Just becasue people bash state stupidity on this thread or any other, does not mean your assuption that they are not doing thier part in other areas to help is true. Thats a huge leap. Don't you agree??

Kalifornia is a state run by over zeolous left wing nut cases. If you can't see this, I fear your blinded by years of Kal State conditioning.

BTW: I don't care if Kalifornia is not in the dictionary. Its fitting. And as far as the so called candidate who's running for gov who's anti immigration?? Who's that? The primary has not even taken place yet so their is no anti illegal immigration "candidate" runing yet. Whitman needs to win the primary before there's a real anti-illegal immigration candidate.

Sourdough · « **Reply #52 on:** May 21, 2010, 10:49:21 AM »

Having lived in California I have to agree with TTurner53. California is a wonderful place, till you get near San Francisco, LA, Sacramento, or San Diago. And unfortunately for the rest of the Californians, these places of decadence runs the state due to shear numbers.

I loved the area around Clear Lake. The Big Valley is nice, as is Northern California. Too bad they are stuck with the coastal areas from SF south.

I can relate, we Alaskans are stuck with Anchorage, and Juneau.

teamnelson · « **Reply #53 on:** May 21, 2010, 12:29:20 PM »

You'll not hear a kind word out of my mouth about Nepolitano or McCain, and I don't care how you mispell my state. If I had a nickle for everyone that ever mispronounced Phoenix or Tucson and giggled like they were cute, I'd be a rich man. The point is some good people have been killed, robbed and assaulted in my home county along the border. The water supply to Tombstone, where I pastored for a bit, had human waste in it because of illegal immigration. When we lived in Bisbee, all the way out on the eastern edge of the San Jose burrough, Dad put a water fountain on the corner of the property because we didn't want people dead, and most of our neighbors are like that. The term is called "criminal trespass" and all who enter illegally were already guilty of it before the recent bill was passed. So if you're mad at Arizona, you're really actually upset that they're enforcing a law you don't want enforced.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #54 on:** May 21, 2010, 01:02:38 PM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on May 21, 2010, 12:29:20 PM

You'll not hear a kind word out of my mouth about Nepolitano or McCain, and I don't care how you mispell my state. If I had a nickle for everyone that ever mispronounced Phoenix or Tucson and giggled like they were cute, I'd be a rich man. The point is some good people have been killed, robbed and assaulted in my home county along the border. The water supply to Tombstone, where I pastored for a bit, had human waste in it because of illegal immigration. When we lived in Bisbee, all the way out on the eastern edge of the San Jose burrough, Dad put a water fountain on the corner of the property because we didn't want people dead, and most of our neighbors are like that. The term is called "criminal trespass" and all who enter illegally were already guilty of it before the recent bill was passed. So if you're mad at Arizona, you're really actually upset that they're enforcing a law you don't want enforced.

What gets me is the first desicion to enter the country is to break our laws. If the legal body that made the laws does not like them then change them. Until then they are the laws of the land and they swore to uphold and defend those laws. If non citizens are allowed to ignore Federal, and State laws then Why as a citizen can I not pick the same number of laws and ignore them? I think if we all desided to tell the City, State, and Federal governments that they are the law makers and if they do not enforce the laws they make then ALL thier laws are worth less.
Not to mention all the auxillary crimes the illegal immagrants spawn. Coyotes, kidnappings, rape of the illegals at the hands of the Coyotes, extortion, theft, drug mules, gangs, gang wars, and on and on. And by supporting the illegal crossings these goodie goodie leftist morons are promoting these crimes. Not to mention the Billions and Billions that are taken out of our economy, taxes, and educatiuon.

jpred1 · « **Reply #55 on:** May 21, 2010, 03:39:11 PM »

You know, If I could just get Musbama alone in a 4 walled room for about 30-45 minutes ,I believe all would soon change for the better.I havent wanted to kick someones ass so bad since highschool.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #56 on:** May 21, 2010, 04:06:53 PM »

Quote from: mcwoodduck on May 21, 2010, 01:02:38 PM

Quote from: TeamNelson on May 21, 2010, 12:29:20 PM
You'll not hear a kind word out of my mouth about Nepolitano or McCain, and I don't care how you mispell my state. If I had a nickle for everyone that ever mispronounced Phoenix or Tucson and giggled like they were cute, I'd be a rich man. The point is some good people have been killed, robbed and assaulted in my home county along the border. The water supply to Tombstone, where I pastored for a bit, had human waste in it because of illegal immigration. When we lived in Bisbee, all the way out on the eastern edge of the San Jose burrough, Dad put a water fountain on the corner of the property because we didn't want people dead, and most of our neighbors are like that. The term is called "criminal trespass" and all who enter illegally were already guilty of it before the recent bill was passed. So if you're mad at Arizona, you're really actually upset that they're enforcing a law you don't want enforced.
What gets me is the first desicion to enter the country is to break our laws. If the legal body that made the laws does not like them then change them. Until then they are the laws of the land and they swore to uphold and defend those laws. If non citizens are allowed to ignore Federal, and State laws then Why as a citizen can I not pick the same number of laws and ignore them? I think if we all desided to tell the City, State, and Federal governments that they are the law makers and if they do not enforce the laws they make then ALL thier laws are worth less.
Not to mention all the auxillary crimes the illegal immagrants spawn. Coyotes, kidnappings, rape of the illegals at the hands of the Coyotes, extortion, theft, drug mules, gangs, gang wars, and on and on. And by supporting the illegal crossings these goodie goodie leftist morons are promoting these crimes. Not to mention the Billions and Billions that are taken out of our economy, taxes, and educatiuon.

I agree, I still cannot understand why legal immigrants dont speak up. they are the ones that are preyed upon.

beerbelly · « **Reply #57 on:** May 22, 2010, 02:48:48 AM »

TeamNelson Why are you putting water out for the SOB's? You should be charged with aiding a criminal! So don't cry about what they are doing while you are helping them break out laws!
Beerbelly

billy_56081 · « **Reply #58 on:** May 22, 2010, 05:27:43 AM »

Beerbelly I agree with you there. Aiding and abetting the invasion of our country should be a crime. Too bad some people don't start putting out some poisoned water, I bet that would stop alot of these invaders from coming in.

teamnelson · « **Reply #59 on:** May 22, 2010, 08:23:07 AM »

Guessing some of you have never lived on the mexican border, the ones who die of dehydration are children and women. I won't poison either, I don't care who they are. Most folks along the border put out separate water sources so they don't break into the main property - large ranches, even the ones who have suffered the most - still keep a water source out there. Ours was in plain sight of the highway which usually had a DEA or CBP patrol run through every 10 minutes.

The militias in my area, many of whom were members of my church, patrolled the border armed and with a radio dialed to CBP frequency. They carried water and INS cards in case they came across a group. They'd detain, radio, hand out cards and water, and wait for CBP to show up. Would you call them aiding and abetting because they didn't shoot the group?