LA boycotts arizona

[saddlebum]

"If you give one of these little ones so much as a cup of water, it is the same as if you had done it for me.", Jesus

I think TN is giving us a glimpse of the proper balance of compassion. The Arizona law is mostly, but not solely, about out of control crime. Crimes like rape, kidnapping, human trafficking, drug smuggling, murder, forced prostitution. Yes crossing the border illegaly is a crime. Doesn't matter if they are breaking the law to try to provide a better life for their kids or smuggle drugs. But when Obama suggested that women and kids will be rounded up while going for ice cream, that is just a lie and ludicrous. Arizona should be double tough on crime and they are working on it and they should be supported by the public they are trying to protect. But leaving water out for human beings who are so desperate for a better life they break the law,(non-violent law), is possibly only a crime of compassion. True you don't know who will drink the water. Even border patrol carry extra water for the offenders. If the feds are as, "compassionate", as they would like us to believe, they would seal off the border and fix immigration laws concerning comming to the US to work and become citizens. That would help to keep out the bad guys and allow great people,( like the Mexican/Americans I am proud to call my friends), live and work here like any other legal immigrant.
I understand the anger and frustation over this issue and share in it myself. But if we are not mindfull of our ways, we could become as bad or worse than the people we despise.

[beerbelly]

yep! You stop them any way at all. A bullet to the head would bring it to a halt.
               Beerbelly

[Hooker]

I can solve Arizona's scratch back problem. Put buses on the border and offer all illegal entrants a free ride to California.


Pat

[slim rem 7]

heck no lets keep califonia.. just chum the waters of the pacific,,an throw the undesirable liberals into the feeding frenzy..
 jmo
 don t sound very christian do i.. ok send them to some island or something..  :)slim

[Hooker]

I was hoping with all that extra weight California would go ahead and slide off in to the ocean.
Seriously any state that wants to sympathize with this illegal infestation they should have to support them on their own.

Pat

[Victor3]

yep! You stop them any way at all. A bullet to the head would bring it to a halt.
               Beerbelly

 A bullet to who's head? Who are "them?"

[beerbelly]

The illegal’s. If when they crossed the border , the army was sitting there blowing them away, they would quit coming . Securing the border is not hard, it’s just the government won’t do it.
                                  Beerbelly

[billy_56081]

Exactley beerbelly, a few antipersonel mines, poisoned water bottles or gunshots and the invasion would stop.

[SHOOTALL]

So for 30 + years we as a country turn a blind eye and then shoot to kill ?

[billy_56081]

Works for me shootall. A few mines go off a couple invaders get shot. The word spreads and the invasion is over. Simple as that.

My dad gets grackels in his yard in the summer. He shoots a bunch of them and the others learn to stay away. Are you saying mexicans are dumber than grackels.

[SHOOTALL]

Nope ! but we are a fair people , well some of us are. We allow these people in for years to supply cheap labor to do jobs Americans won't get off their back sides to do . Why so we can get a cheaper lifestyle at their cost. Then we start getting enough of them here to make a political statement , maybe influnce who stays in power . I say if we get our own house in order they will go home and not come . But that wouldn't allow the big wigs to keep making money . If you want to stop it cut wealfare to Americans who could work but won't , when they take the jobs to eat and live there will be no work for the illegals and they will go home. But that would loose votes for the libs so it won't happen .
The fact your dad has to shoot every year proves the problem still exist , maybe he needs to make it less attractive to the birds in the first place ? Same for America

[billy_56081]

My solution is cheaper, easier, more effective and way more fun.

[teamnelson]

Still waiting for someone to use the same logic used for Iraq and apply it to Mexico ... fighting there keeps us from fighting here. We could also use the same logic and say if we invade Mexico, it will draw all the other "illegals" to Mexico. Perhaps if we spent a few billion dollars in Mexico, the way we have in Iraq, or have a few thousand Americans die in Mexico, the way they have in Iraq, and support a facade of a government ... I'd almost being willing to threaten Mexico with intervention ... almost. I think they'd shut up quick, but I don't think the cost is worth it by a darn sight.

Face it, Mexico is a mess, which is why so many people leave there to come here. But we're not doing a darn thing, as near as I can tell, to address that problem. Instead we apologize for the way we treat illegals from Mexico, to the Mexican president  when he owns the problem, not us 

We may have more miles of oil barrier up in the gulf than we have fence on the border. How bout letting TX, NM, AZ and CA keep their national guard home from OIF and OEF and use them to build and patrol a fence line under the auspices of national defense? (While we're at it, how bout we just use National Guard to Guard the Nation?) How bout instead of hiring 16,000 IRS agents to enforce HC conformity, we hire a few more CBP folks. I personally visited most of the ports of entry on the southern border and about half on the northern border when I used to manage a DHS contract. Cleaning house would be a good start.

[teamnelson]

So they just turned on ESPN in the lounge outside my office and lo and behold, its the Lakers playing the Suns, in Phoenix. Hypocrisy at its finest.

[Oldshooter]

Thats Los Suns!   

[SHOOTALL]

Billy you are fixing the symptom not the cause . At best it will be a band-aid . In the short term it might look great but to keep it up the cost ( both in $$$ and bodies )will be high.
Better to enforce ALL the laws on the books not cherry pick . Then to we as a country must admit they don't want to be like us , they want our money to take home and retire on . They want us to educate their kids . They want our medical help . But they don't want to be us.

[gypsyman]

They have come to this country for the standards we set for ourselves. Good education system,health care,infrastructure that works. Trouble is, they are bringing down the very standards we set for ourselves. Our country is like a truck hauling a load. When it's half full, an easy carry. But with the govt. bailouts and takeovers, more people on the govt. dole, our military being pushed to the limit, the truck has been grossly overloaded. It's going to break down, and at the present time, the driver of the truck, our congress and president, keep merrily driving down the road, not stopping and unloading what is not neccessary. They just keep adding more to the truck. gypsyman

[SHOOTALL]

gypsyman , I have worked many of these people , they had papers that passed SS check. Most work long enough to get well funded then return home to live as they were raised . I have been invited to come visit anytime i wish , the assure me the hunting and fishing is super.

[beerbelly]

Shootall, what is unfair about securing our border? As for cost it is money far better spent than the billions we give Israel every year! I am sure the one's working for you were nice to you, that has nothing to do with them being illegal.
    You sound as though you knew they were illegal but had papers that would let you turn a blind eye. If so you should be in jail, you are a part of the problem!
                                 Beerbelly

[billy_56081]

I agree with you beerbelly. Anyone who knowingly aids and abets this invasion should be tried. Seal the border now. Arrest and imprison anyone who aids or employs an illegal.

[SHOOTALL]

beerbelly , nothing at all , I just say fix the problem not put a band aid on . Take away their reason to come ! Is it fair to dangle a job in their face and shoot them when they go for it ?
Dosen't that violate frderal baiting laws ? 

[wreckhog]

I agree with you beerbelly. Anyone who knowingly aids and abets this invasion should be tried. Seal the border now. Arrest and imprison anyone who aids or employs an illegal.

I believe that anyone that hires an illegal should be executed. Contractors, restaurants, welfare farmers, homeowners, whatever. You won't have to do a lot. Maybe 20 high profile executions should make a difference. That will stop the hiring, which will stop the influx. A LOT easier than chasing down the illegals. Imprisoning is a waste of money. We should also tear down the Statue of Liberty. It sends the wrong message, and it came from France. France ?? It should be replaced with a prison for illegals, built by prisoner labor. Think the world will get the message?

[beerbelly]

You are a good little communist wreckhog. I am sure Obama will give you a pat on the head.
                                     Beerbelly                       

[SHOOTALL]

wreckhog , get real ! I have hired many workers and run them thru. the check at the Soical Security . They get a clean bill and go to work only later ( some 3-4 years later) we get a paper saying their ID is not matched . The feds can look at the id's AND TELL YOU WHO MADE THEM ! Every thing was hush hush until the economy went south now its a political hot deal.

[wreckhog]

And you knew that they were illegal.

[gstewart44]

Wow Shootall - I guess Wreckhog is implying you should be executed  

[SHOOTALL]

Nope not until the SS sent a request to see their paper work . We had already run them thru the SS check which is what we are suppoed to do .
This is how messed up it is , we run every one thru. so we won't be accused of profiling or some other PC crime. Its the fair thing to do . I have had white people come up on the list after working years here .
What happens is we get the list , request the correct paper work and allow 2 weeks to get it ( all with in the law) . The legal ones bring in papers in a day or so . Illegals leave some don't even pick up check for work done.
Here is the best part some of the not confirmed illegals come back as soon as a week with new ID's . And no we don't hire them . They call looking for work , give a new name and say you would remember me as so and so.
I totaly agree the system needs fixing and we should close the border but to punish people by shooting them for filling a need when heads have looked the other way for so long would not be fair. The problem is how we as a country police our borders and allow our repsentives to abuse our way of life.

[AtlLaw]

I believe that anyone that hires an illegal should be executed. ... homeowners, ...

Do what you want,    At 65 with heart disease, I ain't doing my own yard maintainance anymore!      'sides, having a gardener gives me more time to hunt and shoot!   

[Oldshooter]

THERE WAS AN ARIZONA PROTEST THE OTHER DAY IN HOUSTON!

The officers sent out to control the crowd stepped out of their cruisers and announced on the bull horns for the chicanos all to go home,....... due to the Arizona protest they would not be pouring any concrete that day!

[beerbelly]

OK let's not shoot people hireling illegal’s. Let's give them five years in the pen! And i don't give a dam if your grass gets cut.
                                      Beerbelly