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Offline fredster22

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Snowstorm Projects completed
« on: February 12, 2010, 02:43:47 PM »
  I decided that during the inclimate weather that I would complete the project of refinishing and mounting a couple more
stock sets that were reconfigured  from pistol grips to straight grips by Andy MSP ret. The top one is a cinn. lam and is on
one of my 357 max's. Andy thinks that it may be the first of its kind. The 2cd is a reshaped shotgun stock and is on my
grandsons 410 "critter gitter" actually I like it better than the factory version. What do you think?
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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2010, 02:48:07 PM »
Nice work guys!  ;)

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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2010, 02:59:17 PM »
That's what I've been planning someday. Glad to see it can be done with such great results. I think 30-30, 357, 410, 20 guage and others would be well suited for the straight stock. I have a Browing OU Superlight that handles soo goood :)
Bird hunted with it a lot, it is Quick ;D Good job, I like em!
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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2010, 03:39:19 PM »
The stocks are beautiful, but you are giving me a complex.  I may have to go in for therapy just from looking at your neat workbench.  Could you just scatter a little junk around next time?

Just joshing,  those are great one of a kinds.....
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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2010, 10:06:20 AM »
Those are sharp looking stocks. Does this mean Andy is taking orders now that he got more snow?! ;D

I wish I didn't move about every 3 years. I would have a project barn to do things like that. Nowadays I'm lucky to get my own closet in our gov't/military housing.

Thanks for sharing, Dinny
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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2010, 12:02:36 PM »
Thanks guys, and thanks to Fred, who really did a nice job on the final finish of those stocks I cut up for him, they look great. And he is right, the Cinnamon Laminates are the first set of true laminates I have reconfigured to the straight english (aka Squire) stocks with a Monte Carlo. To my knowledge they are the only set in existance like that. They have the Monte Carlo intact and have just a bit of the leading edge of the Monte Carlo enhanced by some judicious woodwork. I have a set of straight non-pistol grip Monte Carlo pallet wood stocks on my .223 Coyote gun and it looks, feels, and handles wonderfully. Best of all, it shoots GREAT.
I don't do this for a business but if anyone wants any similar stock work done,  I can barter or trade for Handi, AR, or shooting/reloading items. If there is nothing we can trade between us for the work I am sure we can work something out...I am always open to offers....<><....:)  
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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2010, 01:43:32 PM »


  Andy you are a true inspiration. I'm working on my own as I type this and I just happened to turn around and do a little reading to keep from getting a cramp. I'm glad I did because somehow on the other stocks I've seen that you worked your magic on I missed the work you did on the top side. that little undercut portion really adds something to the overall appearance.
   I don't know how you did your's but I'm doing the whole thing with a surform rasp. Slower than cutting most of it off with the bandsaw, but the saw is outside where it's cool and I'm inside where it's warm.

  And thanks Fred for such good pictures.
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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2010, 03:18:54 PM »
Those are some sharp looking stocks! Great work, my daughter has the same one on her 223, hope she doesn't see this, cause know just what she will want next. Ok, I want a set too.
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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2010, 03:44:42 PM »
Catman, send them on out to me, we will work out some barter arrangement, or something else to your satisfaction....<><....:)

Rusty, I use two different size coarse rat tail files followed by handsanding with progressively finer sandpaper, the trick is to get each side the same angle and depth. You also might consider changing the rear of the Monte Carlo a bit by lengthing it...good luck, just take your time and have fun. Remeber, it's better to take off too little than too much!!!....<><.... :o
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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2010, 03:51:10 PM »
 Andy I hate to tell my 357 mag Handi came cim lam Strait
 stock! that way when I bought it. Datil
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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2010, 04:17:06 PM »
Hi Marv, yes there are factory straight laminated stocks but none with the straight (no pistol grip) AND the Monte Carlo for scopes. That's what I did to the set of cinnamon Laminates that Fred sent to me...His other set was a pallet wood set that I redid to a plain straight stock for him, similar to the first set I did for him.
I also have a couple of sets of factory straight laminate stocks (no pistol grip), but I also redo the Monte Carlo sets into sort of a faux Shutzen style with a Monte Carlo and no pistol grip. They seem to work great for me both on the bench and for hunting....<><....:)
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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2010, 04:24:57 PM »

 Hi Andy Sorry didn't understand what it was all about.
 Please accept my aploigee!  Didyou get a lot snow on the cape?
 We got some Thursday 6 to 8 in. good luck Marv.
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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2010, 04:28:34 PM »
Yes, but not monte carlo straight lam I'll bet! Hey guys thanks for looking and give Andy a shout if ya need some hints or help.
 Heres a factory cinn lamb straight stock and they are not common and if you have them no body wants to sell them. These are on a 357 max also.
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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2010, 10:46:08 PM »
 Nice work guys. Keep up the good work.
 
 I am in the middle of a project for one my hunting buddies. With out the correct tools takes a little extra time.
He wanted something different, so I am doing the faux Ky long gun. ;)
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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2010, 02:11:05 AM »
Hi guys, we were spared a lot of snow on the last storm, just missed us and we only got about 5" of HEAVY wet snow, but is't been cold and it all froze into icy Global Warming stuff that is still here.
Thats a great looking stock Lon, and wonderful work.
These Handi's are fun to work on aren't they?....<><....:)
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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2010, 02:54:04 AM »
Fred,
Great looking rifles! You and Andy make a good team. I always favored the straight stocks, even on my Marlin rifles. They just seem to swing into action quicker and feel more natural to me. There are many that don't like them for use with a scope, but I've never had a problem with that.
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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2010, 03:46:59 AM »
Hi Big Blue, I and many others find straight grip (no pistol grip) stocks quick to shoulder and to come on target with. Regarding the perceived less than ideal use with scopes is what prompted me to remove the psitol grip from Monte Carlos stock the first time and to experiment with it. It works GREAT. If you don't have a rifle with excessive reciol a straight stock works fine. What I have read is that a pistol grip's main purpose to to help mitigate the effects of recoil by helping you pull and hold the gun into your shoulder. With most handi's that is not needed since there are not many heavy recoiling calibers in Handi's. There is a reason why most British/English/European, and many US high quality, quick handling shotguns have non pistol grip stocks. I also liked the looks of the early Schutzen style stocks and removing the pistol grip and doing a bit of "enhancement" on the profile of the Monte Carlo just seemed a natural, and it feels and shoots like a natural as well. A winner all around....<><....:)
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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2010, 03:37:57 PM »
I couldn't agree more. I've owned several rifles over the years that had straight grip stocks and still prefer them even in heavier calibers like the 45/70. I'd like to get another BC stock set to use on my .500 S&W. Here's my latest 45/70 that I bought last January. It's a 1 of 500 limited edition with a 16" barrel and a straight grip laminate stock. I was lucky enough to use it last year to take a buffalo.

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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2010, 03:43:10 PM »
now that is a beautiful Marlin lever gun, and in 45-70 to boot!!
I have an old 336 Marlin in .35 Remington that was my favorite deer gun for many years, and it still holds a special place in my heart, as well as having taken the biggest whitetail I have to date, 201 dressed, 8 points and 21.5 inside spread. It does however have a pistol grip stock, but it is my old faithful....<><....:)
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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2010, 04:12:44 PM »
I have the same rifle. Mine is a 336RC and was made in 1957.
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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2010, 05:14:35 PM »
MIne is a 336SC and has serial number G29XXX. I am not sure what year it was made but it was not drilled and tapped for a scope rail. I did (perhaps unfortunately) drill and tap it many years ago. Was yours factory drilled and tapped? I looked up when it was made years ago and I think it may be about the same vintage as yours....<><....:)

P.S. - a quick search indicates my 336SC was made in 1950....
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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2010, 01:53:20 AM »
Mine came drilled and tapped. When I bought it, the finish had some water damage on the butt end of the stock and the butt plate was cracked. Looked as if someone had a slip on recoil pad and forgot to take it off after hunting in the rain. I'm guessing it was someones only hunting rifle and used year after year for deer season. I refinished it with tung oil and added the grind to fit recoil pad. Does yours have the same style forend. I've heard it referred to as a perch belly forend.
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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2010, 02:14:45 AM »
no on the same fore end. Yours has a barrel band and mine has an end cap. I don't think that fore end is correctly referred to a a "perch belly", that is something a bit different but the gun sre looks nice and I di like the .35's. I like them so much that I also have a .35 Remington Handi....<><....:)
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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2010, 02:30:56 AM »
Andy, you do some beautiful work.  I wish I had a 10th of your talents.

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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2010, 05:21:53 AM »
Thanks Pete, I sure you have what is required (not much really, just a desire). Just grab a stock and head out to the shop, you will be amazed at what you can do. Be sure to remove LESS than you think you have to and then revisit your plans on cutting, or grab the sanding block and have at it. Go slow, take your time, and enjoy the fun. A great way to wait for spring.
I'm working on a handgrip and forearm for a Handi right now that will have the same outcome as the Choate pistol grip, it will have to be used with a 20" or longer shotgun barrel to be the legal overall length (as opposed to the 22" barrel required of the Choate pistol grip to reach the minimum federal overall length of 27"). I looked and looked but could not find a stock bolt that would fit my requirements so I purchased the closest and reworked it to fit, it's perfect and looks factory made, plus it gave me a good sense of accomplishment, a good way to spend a cold sunday afternoon after church....<><....:)
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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2010, 03:08:02 PM »
Fred,

I don't get over to the Rifle forum to much, but I'm interested in the forearm you used for your grandsons 410. Can you PM me a picture of the top view of barrel and forearm.

Thanks!

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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2010, 03:58:58 PM »
Andy, if I took my stocks out to do some cuttin, I'd have to order new ones. :-[  I would however end up with a fine mess of tinder and maybe a half-way usable toothpik or 2. :-\   I have to say, my talents lay elsewhere, (just wish I knew where. :().  Some of you guys really do amazing work.  DP
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Re: Snowstorm Projects completed
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2010, 04:50:28 PM »

 You people get ready with another project New snow is coming you way!!!!!!
 Coming through NE Tx. tomorrow ! hope doesn't to bad Here or Up on the east coast.
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« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2010, 05:50:40 PM »
   Thanks Datil! Was just melting off enough today to get to the range and shoot a new to me 22-250 thats showing great
promise for springtime G-hogs. Guess I'll have toplay with a couple more stocks!

  Froghunter, Haven't figured out yet how to post pictures in the PM's yet. The forend thats on the 410 was one I bought that
was on ebay as part of a youth set. It fit perfectly on the narrow barrel but had to enlarge the hole to accommodate the barrel stud.
I have no idea what it was off of originally. Heres a couple pictures.   Fred
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« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2010, 03:05:19 AM »
Fred,

Thanks for the pictures of the narrow barrel 410. In my studies of the 410 barrels I'm thinking the forearm came off of a compact or older youth model. I have seen youth 410 barrels that are a fuller contour. The season for the inquirie is that I am going to build a good friend a 410 Shorty/Truck gun. It will be based on the 410 Tamer. I'm interested in the gray/black laminated stock that I will order from Gunstock, Inc, which I think I'll name the project the "Gray Ghost". If the 410 Tamer I order comes in with the narrow barrel than I will have to tell them the diameter of the barrel so they can cut it to the correct size. Does H&R out source their Stocks or do the make them?

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