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War? What War?
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:20 PM PT

War On Terror: The phrase is actually now a misnomer. Iraq and Afghanistan have been rebranded the "Overseas Contingency Operation," and lawyers are being deployed to fight the real battles

The strategy of the new administration looks a lot like the course the Clinton administration set us on before Sept. 11, 2001. And we know how that turned out: Clinton relied on prosecutors to fight terrorists, mistakenly treating terrorism as random crime rather than the grave national security threat that it is.

After each al-Qaida attack that occurred on his watch, Clinton dispatched FBI agents and lawyers overseas to collect evidence. This simply bought Osama bin Laden and his henchmen more time to launch their "Big Bang," as counterterrorism officials call 9/11.

Astonishingly, this administration seems to have adopted that failed strategy, which could leave us exposed to an even bigger bang. According to the Los Angeles Times, the Justice Department will now have "a central role in overseas counterterrorism cases."

The administration has expanded its authority to question foreign suspects and gather evidence "to try to ensure that criminal prosecutions are an option." In other words, the FBI is in, the CIA is out, and the Pentagon is gradually being stripped of its war. The Global War on Terror is now a global crime scene. The real battles going forward will be waged inside courtrooms.

The FBI played a lead role in international terrorism investigations before 9/11. Its intelligence proved lousy. The Pentagon and CIA, meantime, have taken the fight to the enemy in their backyard, keeping them off balance. Yet they're being edged out, and the White House has even directed the Pentagon to stop calling what it's doing in Iraq, Afghanistan and other terror fronts a "war."

In a recent e-mail to Pentagon staffers, the Defense Department's office of security review noted "this administration prefers to avoid using the term 'Long War' or 'Global War on Terror.' (GWOT.) Please use 'Overseas Contingency Operation.' " Contingency is code for reacting to trouble, and not going on the offensive — though the aggressive strategy has kept the country free from a major attack for eight years.

In another throwback to the Clinton era, the White House has redirected law enforcement to focus investigations on white supremacist groups.

According to a recent internal report by the Department of Homeland Security, the administration thinks Timothy McVeigh types pose a greater domestic threat than radical Muslims, even though several homegrown terrorism cases have popped up in the last month alone — including Monday's shooting of U.S. soldiers in Little Rock by one Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad. DHS was set up after 9/11 to protect the country from Islamic terrorism.

All this comes on top of the administration's plan to close Gitmo and transfer al-Qaida terrorists into the U.S. court system, treating them as if they were criminal defendants and not the enemy combatants they are.

With each passing month, the administration seems to backslide deeper into a dangerous pre-9/11 mentality that puts the nation at increasing risk of attack.


http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=328833250522233

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Articles like this and other Government Moves, make me think there is something coming and we are not Prepared or are actually Opening doors for something Terrible, Will we be open and again ?? under Secured to stop something as terrible as 9/11.
I pray for us and and the world ..to be cautious of our surroundings

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"Clinton relied on prosecutors to fight terrorists" Yes indeed & now this Admin. is going a step further to make sure they are not even being called terrorists. It is now a legal matter as with Klinton.

The only "terrorists" left accord to the new clowns are right wing Americans who believe in the Constitution.
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The political pukes in DC and their industry lackeys never learn anything.  US industry will gleefully sell trade secrets and sensitive machinery to communist China.  The politicians in DC will gleefully allow US industry to sell whatever they want to to communist China, Iran or anyone else who greases their sweatly palms with money. 
 
For many years the Soviet Union had long range ballistic missiles with multiple warheads that were not capable of being individually targeted.  Think of a big shotgun with thermonuclear shot.  For many years US missiles had individually targetable warheads. 

The Russians could not make the precision ball bearings that were necessary for the guidance system of targetable nuclear warheads.  Not to worry, president Richard Nixon allowed the Russians to buy the Cent-Align B precision ball bearing manufacturing machine.  The Russians soon had independently targeted warheads for their missiles.

I get sick every time I think of this stupid crap. 

http://www.bryantgrinder.com/Grinders/details/ID/ll1 


http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/best_enemy/chapter_07.htm


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In 1972, just before the presidential election, Nicholaas Leyds, general manager of the Bryant Chucking Grinder Company, announced a contract with the Soviets for 164 grinding machines. Anatoliy I. Kostousov, Minister of the Machine Tool Industry in the Soviet Union, then said they had waited twelve years for these machines, which included mostly the banned models: "We are using more and more instruments of all kinds and our needs for bearings for these instruments is very great. In all, we need to manufacture five times . more bearings than 12 years ago."

Under President Nixon and National Security Adviser Henry Kissinger license for export of these 164 Centalign-B machines was approved.

Simultaneously came heavy pressure on this author to stop research work on our technological aid to the Soviet military system and to stop making public speeches on this aid.

By 1974 the Soviets had MIRVed their missiles and were in mass production. The results we well know and are reflected in the chart on page

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On March 8, 1983, Secretary of Defense Weinberger not only made this massive Soviet increase public, but admitted something not admitted in the early 1970s: that the newly achieved accuracy was derived from our U.S. technology.

We see from the strategic forces that the Soviets have dramatically increased their offensive strategic capabilities. The number, the explosive power and the accuracy of their ICBMs, an accuracy which, as we've said many times, has been largely derived from technology they have taken from us, this is far greater than they would need to simply deter the attack. The hardening of their silos, their provisions for reloading some of their larger ICBMs, a reload capability, refire capability which we do not have, and their enhanced strategic defenses, together with all of their writings and their exercises and the funds they've spent on civil defense, all of that suggests that they are developing the capability, and believe they are
developing the capability which is equally important, of fighting a prolonged nuclear war. It is essential that, as we strive to maintain our deterrent.


Read more about how US political pukes and their industry bankrollers helped communism. 

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Osama obama has turned his back on Gods chosen ones, this can't be good for us, or them. Osama is taking care of his own, and selling America, and Israel down the river. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Osama obama has turned his back on Gods chosen ones, this can't be good for us, or them. Osama is taking care of his own, and selling America, and Israel down the river. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

...... whom do you think is .... HIS Own

I ask for discussion not as a challenge

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TommyT. His muslim brothers, who else?? He's openly stated before the election that if it came to war between Israel and the Godless ones he would back the muslims. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o >:( >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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For many years the US has done the bidding of Israel.  The US has failed to criticize Israel when Israeli citizens stole land that had been in Arab families for many hundreds of years.  It is this total support for Israel that got us 911.  For decades Israel refused to negotiate with the Palestinians.  This refusal to deal with the Palestine issue lead to the formation of HAMAS and Hezbollah.   

Every administration has had a bunch of neo-con artists with dual US-Israeli citizenship who have made US policy toward Israel.  Neo-cons in the defense department got us the Iraq war because Isreal wanted that war. 

Maybe US policy toward Isreal will change a little bit now. 

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"Maybe US policy toward Isreal will change a little bit now. "

So are you hoping we start giving military aid the Hamas, Hezbolah, and Iran?

And I still want to know about your claims sbout the Patriot missile. Again they are not and were not "long range missile technology" as you stated here. Also there were non, none , nada missing and especially unguarded patriot missiles in Saudi. I was there guarding those missiles. What you are passing on here is internet gossip. My old platoon leader, now a Full bird Colonel still active US Army in the Air Defence Branch. He said only on the internet could such BS be put out and taken seriously. He also laughed about how the Patriots were "long range missile technology". He thought obviously from that statement, this guy knows nothing.
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Calling Patriot missiles "long range missile technology" is so unbelievably stupid its funny. Thats akin to calling a tazor gun a high capacity assualt weapon. :D :D :D

Whats even more scary is the guy likly found that printed in one of the main stream media news papers or listened to the clowns at MSNBC say it!
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NEVER TRUST ISRAEL;  Read up  on the u.s.s. liberty.   N. korea has nukes because the last 3 presidents made deals with them and never kept their word.

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North Korea has long range missiles because Israel sold the technology to China.  In 1991 Israel sold US Patriot missile technology to China.  In addition, Patriot missiles were stolen from an unguarded ammo dump in Saudi Arabia and shipped to China by the our fine friends, the Saudis. 


here ya go TM old buddy.
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Every US president from Truman through Reagan gave the Israelis US nuclear technology.  Bush I stopped that when it became evident that Israel had stolen US design information on the W-88 nuclear warhead and sold that information to China.   

Israel has sold US weapons technology to the communist Chinese for over 20 years.  Now Israel is whining that the North Koreans are peddling weapons systems to Iran and Syria.  It is poetic justice that the technology that Israel peddled to the communists is now sitting in their back yard in the hands of the Islamic crazies.     

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Who called Patriot missiles long range missile in the first place.? I must have missed that.  It is an anti-long range missile, right ?
Correct

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The PATRIOT is the U.S. Army's most advanced air defense system. Capable of defeating both high performance aircraft and tactical ballistic missiles, it is the only operational air defense system that can shoot down attacking missiles. A PATRIOT battery (i.e., the basic firing unit) consists of a phased array radar, an engagement control station, computers, power generating equipment, and up to eight launchers, each of which holds four ready-to-fire missiles. There are about 90 soldiers assigned to a battery, but three soldiers in the engagement control station are the only personnel required to operate the battery in combat. The first combat use of PATRIOT occurred in Saudi Arabia and Israel during Operation Desert Storm.

Raytheon Company Missile Systems Division is the prime contractor for the PATRIOT system. The Martin Marietta Corporation is a principal subcontractor and assembles the missiles in Orlando, Florida. In addition to U.S. units, the PATRIOT is deployed with the military forces of Germany, the Netherlands, Japan, Italy, Saudi Arabia, and Israel

http://www.redstone.army.mil/history/systems/PATRIOT.html

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No one called the Patriot a long range missile.  Two sentences, two thoughts, two statements.  Learn how to read. 


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North Korea has long range missiles because Israel sold the technology to China.  In 1991 Israel sold US Patriot missile technology to China. 

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No one called the Patriot a long range missile.  Two sentences, two thoughts, two statements.  Learn how to read. 


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North Korea has long range missiles because Israel sold the technology to China.  In 1991 Israel sold US Patriot missile technology to China. 


Maybe the operative correction is ..learn how to write. When you take 3 sentences and put them together like that with no paragraph or bullet breaks, it certainly will and should appear to the reader as a continuous string of thoughts on the same subject. Mind you, in your second and third sentence you reference Patriot missiles which are preceded by the reference to long range missiles. That’s pretty confusing.

Suggestion: Next time, reference them as bullet statements like as follows and everyone will know they are distinct and separate thoughts.

1.   North Korea has long range missiles because Israel sold the technology to China. 
2.   In 1991 Israel sold US Patriot missile technology to China. 
3.   In addition, Patriot missiles were stolen from an unguarded ammo dump in Saudi Arabia and shipped to China by the our fine friends, the Saudis.
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Well said Cabin, but I still say there were NO patiots stolen. Of any of the missile would have dissapeared I think we would have noticed. Anyone else here been to Hafir Al Batan?
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Billy I did a few searches on Missing Patriot missiles ,nothing comes up
I would think if they where stolen ,something would be said to the News Media ??
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Back on topic-I don't agree. Israel has stood up to every nation surrounding it. Anytime it ordered military equipment, it paid for it, in full. Can't think of any other country that didn't end up owing us.
Obama is doing this to further his Muslim brothers. I believe him to be pushing for a middle east showdown. And just wants to even up the side's.  gypsyman
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Jews naturally. gypsyman
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The evidance is clear. Obama just finished up his second appology tour with the Muslin countries. He's appolgizing so when he implements his anti- Jew strategy, no one will be surprised. Obama wants Isreal wiped off the face of the earth. He knows this can only happen is small bites and by slowly shifting strategy.
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Wow TM7 :D
You sure know how to put a couple of Nations down.   Make me think of a house full of kids when the parents are gone.   But wait until they get back.  Everyone's gettin a whippin.
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Back on topic-I don't agree. Israel has stood up to every nation surrounding it. Anytime it ordered military equipment, it paid for it, in full. Can't think of any other country that didn't end up owing us.
Obama is doing this to further his Muslim brothers. I believe him to be pushing for a middle east showdown. And just wants to even up the side's.  gypsyman

GYPSYMAN. YEP, all true.
If tm put down 2 countries I'm guessing that it had to be America and Israel. Just a wild guess. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Isreal gets one third of the US foreign aid budget.  Israel in turn buys US military equipment with our tax money.  What a sweetheart deal. 

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Isreal gets one third of the US foreign aid budget.  Israel in turn buys US military equipment with our tax money.  What a sweetheart deal. 


With as many terroroists the Israelis kill every year, I'd say we are getting one heck of a deal. Israel is a great great friend.
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Isreal gets one third of the US foreign aid budget.  Israel in turn buys US military equipment with our tax money.  What a sweetheart deal. 


With as many terroroists the Israelis kill every year, I'd say we are getting one heck of a deal. Israel is a great great friend.
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I seriously doubt those figures, even if true, cheap at twice the price. Israel is the only friend we have in the entire mideast. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o
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With friends like Israel we do not need enemies. 

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The evidance is clear. Obama just finished up his second appology tour with the Muslin countries. He's appolgizing so when he implements his anti- Jew strategy, no one will be surprised. Obama wants Isreal wiped off the face of the earth. He knows this can only happen is small bites and by slowly shifting strategy.
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I can't say I support Obama, but definitely more than crime syndicate boss Bush on foreign affairs for the present. You make a bold emotional accusation against on Obama's new paradigm shift as far as dealing with our foreign affairs, muzzies, and ever sheit stirring Israelis...long overdue and just a start I should say.  I suspect this has alot to do with your religious roots, cosmology, or overall rational scheme of things that we people (actually your people) are never ever to get along with muzzies and normalize relations.  Is this based on your preceptions or what happened on 911 or what....what is it? Just don't like peace or what?


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I can say without any question, that I do not support obama and his facist and socialist agenda.

I don't like radical Muslim people or nations that support radical Muslim teachings of their people. I don't want to have anything to do with foreign nations period, be it Muslim, Christian, Jew or other. They are all after one thing and one thing only, how much money can they get from us and or how can they use us as a political weapon in their regional or global struggle.

Trade should be our only objective with foreign nations. If they play nice, we trade if they don't we won't. No alliances to support their war efforts or taking sides in their battles. We can take care of ourselves and they can do the same.

Obama going on a second apology tour in 5 months is ridiculous. The guy is an amateur in foreign policy and a gimmick maker on domestic policy. His efforts to stimulate our economy are nothing more than political payback to big unions using our tax dollars. The rest of his gimmicks and side shows to raise our taxes and create a vicious cycle that the states will be strapped within the last year of his term are designed to force the states to raise income and use taxes to pay for the programs. This way Obama can claim that federal taxes were not raised.

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With friends like Israel we do not need enemies. 

Ahh, but we have them & they want to blow us up, which to all but Libs might think is a bigger problem
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The evidance is clear. Obama just finished up his second appology tour with the Muslin countries. He's appolgizing so when he implements his anti- Jew strategy, no one will be surprised. Obama wants Isreal wiped off the face of the earth. He knows this can only happen is small bites and by slowly shifting strategy.
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I can't say I support Obama, but definitely more than crime syndicate boss Bush on foreign affairs for the present. You make a bold emotional accusation against on Obama's new paradigm shift as far as dealing with our foreign affairs, muzzies, and ever sheit stirring Israelis...long overdue and just a start I should say.  I suspect this has alot to do with your religious roots, cosmology, or overall rational scheme of things that we people (actually your people) are never ever to get along with muzzies and normalize relations.  Is this based on your preceptions or what happened on 911 or what....what is it? Just don't like peace or what?


..TM7

"(actually your people)", I guess your saying you are in the other group, no surprise there.
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From the JAG officer who investigated the murderous attack by the Israeli air force on the US Liberty:


http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-boston.html

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The evidence was clear. Both Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack, which killed 34 American sailors and injured 172 others, was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew. Each evening, after hearing testimony all day, we often spoke our private thoughts concerning what we had seen and heard. I recall Admiral Kidd repeatedly referring to the Israeli forces responsible for the attack as “murderous bastards.” It was our shared belief, based on the documentary evidence and testimony we received first hand, that the Israeli attack was planned and deliberate, and could not possibly have been an accident.

I am certain that the Israeli pilots that undertook the attack, as well as their superiors, who had ordered the attack, were well aware that the ship was American.

I saw the flag, which had visibly identified the ship as American, riddled with bullet holes, and heard testimony that made it clear that the Israelis intended there be no survivors. 10. Not only did the Israelis attack the ship with napalm, gunfire, and missiles, Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned three lifeboats that had been launched in an attempt by the crew to save the most seriously wounded — a war crime.