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Two things I wonderd about.
Why do you think Israel is a friend? Stop the money flow and see how quickly those friends will change .
Why is it that for hundreds of years perhaps a thousand, these people have been a PITA for others around them. :-\
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Why is it that for hundreds of years perhaps a thousand, these people have been a PITA for others around them.



You may be onto something there.  The vast majority of financial scandals to hit the US in the past 25 years were run by Jewish folks.  Case in point:  Madoff. 

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bbf. The people of Israel are Gods chosen ones. She is surrounded by millions of Godless ones ruled by satan himself to destroy Israel. Israel is 1/ 500th the size of all her Godless neighbors. The Godless ones have tried for centuries to destroy Israel, but they can't. Explain WHY??? POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Powderman;
  Some folks are not  even remotely cognizant of Israel and her 4,000 year history..or His-story..
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Some of these guys sound like the shooter at the haulocost museum.
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Just did alittle reasearch on the Liberty incident. Since it took place right in the middle of the 7 day war with Egypt, seems to me it started out as an attack on an Egyptian ship, it might have been stopped before it went as far as it did. And of course the Johnson cover up only adds fuel to the fire.
Just a couple years ago, wasn't some Canadian troops killed by friendly fire in Afghanistan by a U.S. blunder? Don't think we did that on purpose.
But what Obama's doing is on purpose. He's pushing for a showdown in the middle east.  gypsyman
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The evidance is clear. Obama just finished up his second appology tour with the Muslin countries. He's appolgizing so when he implements his anti- Jew strategy, no one will be surprised. Obama wants Isreal wiped off the face of the earth. He knows this can only happen is small bites and by slowly shifting strategy.
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I can't say I support Obama, but definitely more than crime syndicate boss Bush on foreign affairs for the present. You make a bold emotional accusation against on Obama's new paradigm shift as far as dealing with our foreign affairs, muzzies, and ever sheit stirring Israelis...long overdue and just a start I should say.  I suspect this has alot to do with your religious roots, cosmology, or overall rational scheme of things that we people (actually your people) are never ever to get along with muzzies and normalize relations.  Is this based on your preceptions or what happened on 911 or what....what is it? Just don't like peace or what?


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"(actually your people)", I guess your saying you are in the other group, no surprise there.

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TM7 :     The irony was the Liberty was feeding intell to the Israelis during the 6 day war so that they would not blunder into some kind of defeat or other military humilation.
I've personally witnessed such embarrassing blunders as you call them.
 In the heat of the battle with all the adrenaline, sweat and blood flowing we've called air-strikes on top of ourselves.   We've put squad against squad, company against company, Marines against Army.   That's war.  It creates confusion at its utmost.    Try it and you'll find out.
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The people of Israel are Gods chosen ones

  If that is so, it kinda leaves you Christians out in the cold.
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The people of Israel are Gods chosen ones

  If that is so, it kinda leaves you Christians out in the cold.
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Actually, no Pardner. The ones in the cold will be the ones that do not accept Jesus as their savior come judgement day! If You read and believe the Bible it tells you all about that. If you are not among those that believe I hope you do before that time comes! I'm  Serious as a heart Attack.
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Beautiful day, colors flying (they even put out larger colors during the attack), radio comm with Israelis, surprise 6 hour attack air and sea in broad daylight

6 hours!,  for one ship? Come-on ~  what were they using BB guns?
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bbf. The people of Israel are Gods chosen ones. She is surrounded by millions of Godless ones ruled by satan himself to destroy Israel. Israel is 1/ 500th the size of all her Godless neighbors. The Godless ones have tried for centuries to destroy Israel, but they can't. Explain WHY??? POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o

PM...

Um.... they did.  Several hundred years ago.  Several times.  If Israel has God on their side, why haven't they destroyed the Godless Ones?

950BC-Kingdom of Israel is established.
720BC-Israel is defeated and exiled by the Assyrians (230 years in power.)
174BC-Israelites come back into power (546 years out of power.)
64BC-Romans defeat Israelites (110 years in power.
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A whole bunch of people who weren't Jewish. (2012 years out of power.)
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1948-UN gives land that had been in Muslim, Christian, and Jewish hands for 2012 years to "Jews" whos families had not been in the region for millennia.

So...prior to the UN returning the region to the "Jews" they Israelites were in power for 340 of 2,898 years... 
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wylie. The opriginal gift of land given to Israel by God is now occupied by 5 Godless nations, Israel has just a fraction of what God gave them. The defeats Israel suffered was Gods punishment for worshiping idols, false Gods, and generall sinning. When Israel obeyed Gods commandments they were richly blessed and had nothing but good times. The un didn't GIVE Israel anything she didn't already own. The palestinians are trespassers and should either be driven out, or killed, they have no business there. Jeruselum is a Holy city, muslims definitely don't belong there. I remember the 67 war. Israel was badly outnumbered  in all ways. The Godless ones had the best russian hardware money could buy, thousands of tanks. Instead of cowering and running, Israel attacked, all at once. Took 7 days to destroy 7 arab nations, yet there are some who still can't see Gods hand in that. Thousands of tanks destroyed, Israel cut through their lines like a hot knife through butter, I well remember pics in life magazine. Yes, I truly believe they are Gods chosen ones. Every time the Godless ones attack Israel they get their heads handed to them on a platter. Seems like even a moron, and I don't mean you, could see that their mohamed just aint getting the job done. Could they totally destroy the Godless nations??? Yes, but thats the difference between Gods people, and satans. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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PM,
I understand where you are coming from.  If God chose to take the Holy Land from the Israelis, who is the UN to give it back?  One thing that I want you to consider is that many, MANY devout Jews do not support the policies or government in Israel.  Same as most devout Christians do not support the Obama administration.

Ruling in the Holy Land does not make one Holy.  Otherwise the Arab's would be the Holiest of all.  Please, please stop giving the Israelis a blank check.  Hold them to the same standard of criticism and skepticism you would any other Government, because that is what they are.  Ask yourself, "Who are the false Jews mentioned by Jesus?"

The "Jews" in power in Israel are Khazars and are genetically of Eastern European/Western Asian decent. (As in "Kazakhstan".)   They did not convert to Judaism until around AD 900, and it was a State mandated conversion.  I don't believe that they are all red-eyed, evil plotters.  Some are good and devout men and women.  Some are not. 
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WylieKy, that is a really good post.  Very few, if any, Jews living in Jerusalem who could trace their ancestry back to the time of the Bible were left alive after the first crusade.  The crusaders murdered many of the Christians, all of the Jews and most of the Muslims living in Jerusalem and surrounding areas. 
Crusaders traveling through the Rhineland wiped out most of the Jews living there. 

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  Some interesting concepts here. Some that apparently lie well hidden beneath the psyche. As with Billy, I must admit I am surprised by the demonstration of hatred toward the Jewish people. I see in it the same type of irrational, non intellectual hatred today's radical liberals are heaping upon Sarah Palin !  It certainly appears to be a force-driven madness but then such is a historical hatred, depending greatly upon the individual's relationship with God.
  Beerbelly;
  Saying that God's special relationship with the Jews leaves we Christians out in the cold, only points up a lack of information covering the historical and theological facts. I would suggest a thoroughly expository Bible study.
   Wylie;
     PM is correct concerning the land deed God gave the Jews. He promised them unconditionally, that they would be his "chosen people" and the area in question would be their chosen land..those were unconditional promises. God did not promise that as His chosen people he would not discipline them time to time, just  as we do with our own beloved children.
  These legitimate descendants of Abraham (through Isaac) strayed from time to time. God sent them into captivity in Egypt, and he also had Moses to lead them out. He sent them in captivity to Babylon because of their disobedience. Curiously they were at that time, behaving as many in the USA are today. Prophets were warning the people to repent (turn about) from their wicked ways..but most would not hear. Although God sent their nation into captivity, He still had to keep his promise of their land-deed...so he brought them out again.
 God did not take the land from the Jews, but rather, took the Jews from their land..a very fine, but nonetheless important point. 
  The USA, although originally blessed by God, has no such unconditional promise. Our status with Him is based purely on performance..and we are not doing so good with Him right now !
  When he (using Rome) forced the Jews from the promised land in 70 AD, he also promised that they would return..which they have.. The big joke among serious Bible students is that  the British, the UN and others think they reinstalled the Jews in the Promised Land. God reinstalled them..and He simply used these other entities to "grease the skids" so to say. ;)

 alsaqr;
   The last diaspora (70 AD), dispersed the Jews and the newly formed Christianity sect around the then known world, so your claim of the crusades of the late middle ages, killing off all the legitimate Christians & Jews...sounds like a claim which might be made by Osama Bin Ladin or some hysterical mullah in Fallujah or Detroit.
  You speak of the murdering done by crusaders..but somehow you fail to mention the even more rampant murders committed by the fanatic Muslims (and still going on) in trying to hold land not given to them. This demonstrates clearly how one-sided you are, concerning the issue. The Jews are back in their homeland and anyone that tries in any way to usurp what God wills there is taking a frightful risk.
 
    The Assyrians, the Medo-Persians, Egyptian Pharohs, Philistines, the Hittites, Moabites, Caananites, Jebusites and Romans, and Hitler's 3rd Reich among many others, tried to extinguish the Jews and/or their homeland.
   
    Where are these great powers today...and where are the Jews ?

  "A word, to the wise...should be sufficient !"
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The same ones who badmouth all Muslims now come down on a few of us who resist the rear kissing that the US has applied to Israel since it became a state in 1948.  Go figure. 

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alsaqr, we are just not so blinded by antisemetic hatres that we can see that Irael is our ally and the only beacon of freedomn in the Middle East. For those of you filled with antisemetic hatred you cannot see how evil the muslims are. You are so filled with hatred, that you have even made up silly "conspiracies" about the muslims terror attacks.
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  Been down that road here too many times...People, just look around your world and see just who is doing all the assassinations, stupidcide bombing, head-sawing, kidnapping, genocides, honor killings, holding schools full of children before murdering as many as possible and every other kind of low-life, underhanded treachery. Obviously it is not the Christians or the Jews...or Bahai, Hindu, Shinto or Jehovah's Witnesses either.

   just who is it ?
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  The incidents you cited bad as they are, were singular and isolated..and by separate groups. Some of those incidents are disputed as to the actual incident or origin and each of them old news compared to the atrocities which have taken on and since 9/11/01. We all know who/what inspires the homeland of terrorism.
  Strange you should mention Gaza...Israel gave Gaza back to the terrorist organizations in one of vthe Washington-engineered "land for peace" deals. The terrorists got their land..obviously the Israelis didn't get their peace. Great men of their word involved in the "religion of peace".. :o :D ;D
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  The Jews have a land deed to the place since about 1500 BC..the Palestinians didn't even exist as "Palestinians" before the late 1940's.

  Nothing more to say...
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The Jews have a land deed to the place since about 1500 BC..


Is there a copy on file somewhere? 

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IG some of these guys would have fit right in with the museum shooter.
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The Jews have a land deed to the place since about 1500 BC..


Is there a copy on file somewhere? 

Alsaqr;
   This deed is undoubtedly the oldest, best known, most widely published deed in the history in the world. Your neighbor may well have a copy (or several) in his home*.
     
  Just borrow his Bible and read (for starters) in the Jewish OT..  Exodus 12:25 , deuteronomy 6:3, Deuteronomy 9:28, Deuteronomy 19:28, Deuteronomy 27:3, Joshua 23:5, joshua 23:15 and Nehemiah 9:23 .
     
   Then turn to the Christian NT.. to ..Hebrews 11:8-10 .

      * Your neighbor may have one or several copies of this deed, unless he lives in a Muslim dominated society. Countries that are basically Christian or Jewish are not paranoid about the Koran as are the Muslims of the Bible..
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Israel is the only nation created by a sovereign act of God. God gave the title deed for the land of Israel to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and thier descendants forever. Gen. 15:18; 17:2-8.  Ishmael the father of Arabs, was excluded from the title deed to the land, in Genesis 17:19-21. Therefore, modern day Palestinians have no biblical mandate to own the land.

As Ironglow noted in his post. The boundries of the state of Israel are recorded in Scripture. The boundries are further described in Ezekiel 47:13-28 and all of chapter 48.

When God established the nations of the world, He began with Israel, and Israel is the center of the universe to God.  With Jerusalem being the city of God. 2 Chronicles 6:6; 7:16; 33:7.
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  Lost tribe sounds like that Anglo-Israeli theory propagated by folks like Herbert W. Armstrong. Of course I do not subscribe to any Anglo-Israel or "replacement" theories..although you are free to do so if you wish.
      You ask;  " What would Jesus say about your lust to exterminate Palestinians and their children ?" I doubt he would have any complaint, since I do not harbor such a lust ! One only need review recent history to understand just who has the lust for killing.
  Perhaps if the Muslims would leave Israel alone and leave us alone they may do well. The whole world is witness to their present efforts to undermine and take over Europe plus institute "Sharia law" in place of constitutional law in places such as the UK and Canada.
  Their aggressiveness is well documented..even to the point of shameful "honor killings" in Oour country. A fanatic idiot strangles his teenage daughters.. a bonehead radio station owner not 40 miles from my home cuts off his wife's head and uses it for a soccer ball.
 
  Tell us again..who has "blood lust"? 
  Even as we speak the head nutcase in Iran is threatening his opposition with all kinds of dire consequences, should he protest yesterday's rigged election..


   BTW: Here's an update on your Muslim nations that are so friendly to Christians & Jews...or any other faith, for that matter..

  http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11274985.html
 
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Israel is the only nation created by a sovereign act of God. God gave the title deed for the land of Israel to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and thier descendants forever. Gen. 15:18; 17:2-8.  

Ding, ding, ding, ding!!!! We have a Winner!!!

It is truly unfortunate that the "Jews" in power in Israel are not decendants of Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob.  It is equally unfortunate that "Palestinian" is NOT synonymous with Muslim or Arab.  A significant portion of Palestinians are Christian or Jewish.  Again very few Jews of non-European decent support the government of Israel.  I am not an anti-semite and hope that I am not being labled so for speaking facts.  I think that Israel IS the Holy Land and will one day be returned to it's rightful owners, the Tribes of Israel.  I just don't think that the "Jews" in power there are the Chosen Ones.   
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I bet if we went to an Arian nations, KKK, or Neo Nazi websight, we could read word for word about the "zionist oppressors", the "jews now in Israel are not the decendents of Abraham" and much more of what we are hearing trumpeted here. Israel, no matter what your hate filled propaganda spews is the ONLY bastian of freeodom in the Middle east. Irael is our only trustable ally.

What is absolutly hillarious is the lengths you will go to avoid the truth in the world, you actually invent theories how  the "jews" are behind all terrorism and bad deeds in the world.
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Wylie;
  Since you seem to disagree with the bulk of world opinion..it behooves you to tell us  just who are these "lost tribes" of Israel, where they are located today and how they can prove this mysterious claim of descent.
  Please provide the sources for your research who, what, where, when, why and how,  since I have never read anything like this in any  credible venue.
  Remember, Hitler spent much revenue and much of his nation's scientific effort in positively identifying just who the Jews are..so he could kill them. He was in his own twisted way, satisfied that he was killing the original Jews.

   For anyone who hates the Jews...Stalin, Hitler, Osama Bin Ladin, Amahdinajad and many other evil ones  throughout history have done the same..you have some "illustrious" company... :D
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The BIBLE tells us who is the chosen people. Any GOOD CRISTIAN KNOWS BETTER.  But HE must go by the KORAN!!!   DON'T TRUST A SNAKE NO MATTER HOW TAME HE WILL STILL BITE!!!!!

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