Would you fight and die for your gun rights?

[lgm270]

GB:  A great post. A great read.  Well reasoned and very well said.

[billy_56081]

I would die for the constitution of the United States of America, but I would rather make the traitors to the constitution die.  I would hope I would take many more with me if I were to die fighting for our rights.

[Singleshotsam]

GB, excellent post...

A few things I have been pondering on since I have posted earlier.

It's becoming more evident on a daily basis that the talk about the NWO and CABAL as you put it are pulling the strings of most of the big world governments.

Most members of the military and leo's will find out that when or if the time comes to start the confiscation of firearms, that they do NOT get paid enough to put theirselves on that kind of line day by day, hour by hour.  Having every gunowner in America using you for target practice will get old.

My theory for confiscations?  BHO's civilian police force.  In order to combat a force that is as devout on their rights and beliefs you need an equally devout and opposing force that believes in the oppoiste and are willing to stop at nothing to take it.

So there is a possible face to an enemy.  For me, should gun confiscation begin, I will know immediately the face of my enemy by the man pounding on my door. 

As far as the ammo situation goes.  I know a significant portion of the people in my area buying it.  Times that by the rest of the nation and you can quickly see that its no wonder ammo is in short supply. 

I'll say this though.  When my gun runs out of ammo I'll use it for a club.  When my club breaks I'll resort to my hands until i'm finished. 

[Graybeard]

I'll say this though.  When my gun runs out of ammo I'll use it for a club.  When my club breaks I'll resort to my hands until i'm finished.

 

You are either a lot tougher than me or have a LOT less ammo than me. I don't figure I'll still be standing when the ammo is gone.

[Singleshotsam]

"You are either a lot tougher than me or have a LOT less ammo than me. I don't figure I'll still be standing when the ammo is gone."

Na, just stubborn and thick headed is all   That's just my contingency plan... Should I survive I will no doubt be as well equiped w/ what BHO's civilian police force, or the US army will be carrying.  Ammo and all

Kinda reminds me of the scene out of Wyatt Earp when the mob is fixing to rush him to lynch the prisoner.  "You boys may catch me in a rush... But I'll be taking 10 or 12 of you with me!" 

[petemi]

I'm 68, have had a rewarding life.  They'll take my guns "From my cold dead hands".  I'll gladly trade the possible 20 more years of my life for our country's freedom.  If anyone wants to test that, I'm ready.

Pete

[Default]

 Alot to think about has been posted since I read this last ....


 Thought I would share with you a thought that a Hitler supporting german had after it all started to come into focus for him ... Read it , Then apply it to your , mine...... OUR situation .


        When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.



    Our strentgh is in our numbers .... We are Americans and as my countrymen, We are naturally defiant ... Speak up for me , speak up for your neighbor, speak up for all your brothers in arms ...

    Dont find yourself looking on the day that this German's words apply to you .. because you said  or did nothing .


        Default

[Dixie Dude]

Graybeard may be right with the speed at which Obama is trying to implement socialism.  I always thought it would be a gradual erosion of our rights.  Hate speach if you disagree with homosexuality, adultry, or any other sin.  First assault weapons, then pistols, then semiautomatics, then "sniper deer rifles", then finally shotguns and single shots.  Another way is through control of ammunition which seems to be being implemented daily.  Can't even be pro traditional marriage without being an outcast (Miss California).  Even the war on drugs.  Did you know that only 3 companies make enough chemicals to make cocane.  90% of this chemical is shipped to Columbia.  An executive order by the president could stop cocane in its tracks.  Don't allow these two American companies to ship the chemical overseas.  One company in Germany could easily be stopped by the German government the same way.  Cocane would increase in cost so mucht that noone could afford it.  Why?  Also, why not close the border with Mexico.  Easily done with military and national guard.  The only difference is legal immigration checks the people out for drugs, disease, and if they are criminals.  Don't have a problem with legals.  This current strain of swine flu seems to affect Hispanics more than others, Aids seems to affect Africans and blacks more than others.  (90% of Aids cases in my county are blacks).  I think the young people today have no real moral compass, and will follow whoever will "give" them the most.  The WWII generation is dying off, and the young don't have the moral sense of fighting for what is right. 

[LONGTOM]

Just one little fact remains that they can't do a thing about.
Gun powder, the gun, and the projectile were all invented once and the knowledge still remains.
All of the components still remain and one can easily obtain the knowledge to assemble a firearm.
A piece of pipe is not hard to get.
The ingredients for gun powder are all around us and you can rub a rock against the blacktop to make it round to fit the pipe.
What I am saying is there will never, never be a world without firearms as long as we retain the knowledge.
Granted it might be a crude version and not very fast but still just as deadly as when they were first invented.


LONGTOM

[Heather]

Longtom,
   I just hope that I never live in a world where obtaining that knowledge or putting it to use is a crime!

Heather

[Dee]

It seems odd, and confusing to hear someone say, that they FULLY SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT, but aren't willing, or aren't sure if their willing, to actually fight, and possibly die for their 2nd Amendment rights.
How can one FULLY SUPPORT something if they aren't sure that if the thing they "say" they fully support comes under direct attack if they will actually fight? How could that possibly be?
About 35 years ago I stood in a room, and took an oath to defend ANYONE against harm from others, and in that oath was the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I was not bound by the Military, but took this oath as a Peace Officer. I, in the span of a twenty year career was called upon, numerous times, to lay it all on the line for folks I did not even know.
I was asked a couple of years ago, by a doctor conducting a complete physical on me, how I received so many joint injuries, broken bones, and scars over the years. I told him, for twenty years I took other people's ass whippins for them. No I didn't loose the fights so to speak, but I certainly paid, and am paying the consequences for it.
So the question remains: Would I fight and die for my gun rights? I fought for 20 years, and on two occasions almost died for ALL OF YOUR RIGHTS collectively.
Perhaps because some have said they are WILLING to take the label of coward, and some say they are "unsure" is why the question even has to be asked.

Questor brought up an interesting thought when he stated that: It is one thing to fight for a country that defends peoples rights, but fighting against a country that is taking people's rights away is futile.

I wonder what Washington, Jefferson, Payne, Hancock, Revere, and the others would say to such a statement from an American? Isn't that precisely what they all fought against? A country that was taking their rights? Hmmmmmm. Wasn't each man whom fought, RISKING EVERYTHING?
I too have family that is dependent on me save God's will. I have a 77 year old mother, whom I know, will stand with her little revolver, behind me with my 64 year old wife, and will defend not just their freedom. But their dignity.
Family you say? My son's have already, as I have fought for your freedom, and will again.

DDZ, CannonKrazy, HEATHER! kinslayer1965, dw06. I will stand with YOU! I don't need to think about, I already have. The rest can watch.

Well it has been two days since I made the above post, and I will admit that I was beginning to think that the folks I named at the bottom were all the help I was going to get. In that two days, I almost died to an allergic reaction from a new prescription drug a doctor gave me, and after a rather iffy ambulance ride, 6 hours in an emergency room, and CT scan for stroke, and other tests for heart damage, I emerged with the knowledge of high blood pressure, and possibly PTSD which I had been told before.
During this ordeal and after several rather long discussions with God, I came out the other end no worse for wear, hopefully a little more comfortable, and the Doctor says he thinks he can get me to a place in my life where I can actually get some sleep. My prayer life is healthy, and I gave the entire episode to his good keeping and came out the other end.
I just logged on, and find the poll in this thread is about 71% with me, and 20%, either can't make up their minds or say no.
Well gentlemen of that 71+%. I once again stand ready to fight for my rights whether individually or with you guys (and gal). I once again state that freedom is all about one's PERSONAL DIGNITY, and if one is not willing to defend his own, then it goes to say, he will not defend his families either. Perhaps that one man on the porch defending his CASTLE, (whether it be me or someone else) and losing his life in the process, will be the spark to the rest of these
spoiled Americans that cannot muster the will to stand up for what is right.
I have found in my years, if a man will not fight individually, he may likely not fight with a crowd either. There most assuredly is safety and strength in numbers, but if the numbers are not there, the DIGNITY SHOULD BE JUST AS CHERISHED. JMO

[bubba]

Dee I am sorry to hear abour your ordeal.  However as I stated before, you are free to make all the assumptions about me as I am in the undecided group that you spoke of and ran down.  You have no clue what I would do for my family or yours to defend them.  But again as I also stated that is one of the great things about this country, you have the right to your opinion and so do I.  However the difference is I am at least willing to listen to the other side and not simpy dismiss their ideas.  Best of luck with the PTSD.  I work with lots of people with the affliction and it is a tough one.  It gives me a lot more insight into you knowing that about you.  Go back and read all the posts ans absorb them rather than pick out the parts that make you look good and avoid the rest. 

[LONGTOM]

While I am not dumping on you bubba let me say that this topic is about when they come for your/our guns.
I would assume when that happens that the talking has already been done so what is there to listen to from the other side.

Now, before they come I would be willing to listen to their side and also explain my side, but once they come the time for talking is done past.


LONGTOM

[SHOOTALL]

when i read all this a line from a movie came to mind ," well lets dance then "

[bubba]

Longtom I am not talking their side I am talking my side because I do not agree with everyone.  I have also said I will do everything I can right now to avoid this.  I am sorry I am a realistic that when it gets to the point to come and get the guns, it is too late we have already lost by then.  I also said I have stock piled tons of ammo because that is where it is starting.  I also said I would do al lI can to help my neighbor but I can no tdepend on my neighbor for the same, so I have a plan.  No one picks up on that part. I also said I am  lifer in the NRA, but I feel that is a waste of my money and they get no more.  No one sees that part just that I said I dont see the logic in a shootout at my home, because if it gets to that point, it is over already.  Oh well to ech his own, to bad most cant see the big scenario, they simply want to pick and choose what they respond to.  I also find i tfunny that I say I will hide my guns and report them stolen and I am a criminal anda bad guy, but having a shootout with law enforcement is considered heroism. I guess murder is less of a crime?? Oh well

[epanzella]

I'm a concealed carry and hunting guy but would I be willing to DIE to stay armed? Hard to say for sure without knowing the details and the odds of survival but I would guess no. The main idea of concealed carry for me is to avoid dying and to protect my family. Dying to retain the ability to avoid dying seems counterproductive. What then becomes of my family? I would certainly have the upmost respect for people willing to die for their principals. These are the kind of people responsible for America being the free country we all enjoy today and we all owe them our gratitude.
Ed Panzella 

[Singleshotsam]

I think the young people today have no real moral compass, and will follow whoever will "give" them the most.  The WWII generation is dying off, and the young don't have the moral sense of fighting for what is right. 

I beg to differ. I'm 25 years old with a wife, a son and a daughter due any day.  I was raised in a god fearing household where I respected my father and my mother and went to church when she did.  How dare you question my moral compass Dixiedude. 

You claim that we will follow whoever will give us the most?  What the hell have you been doing all your life?  Yes, its a shame that "the greatest generation" is dying off.  They were a breed that came through the great depression, and saw things no other human should have ever witnessed.  They command my utmost respect. 

Your last claim that we (I) "the younger generation" have no moral sense of fighting for what is right?  What did you do in your lifetime Dixiedude?  I stay in constant contact w/ my Represenatives.  When something I don't like happens they know!  I have said I will fight and DIE for my rights to defend MY family, your family and the families of those to cowardly to do it themselves.  I will ask for no thanks if the time comes and should I die in the process my son can look at my grave (if i'm allowed one) and know that his Daddy died for a cause bigger than his own selfish fears. 

Heather, another young person in this forum feels the same way and you know what else we think?  We both feel that we have inherited a HUGE mess to fix so that it will not be the burden of OUR children!  Yeah, there are a lot of young people that will follow the ones that offer the most, but guess what... they learned it from those were their elders.

I take your "younger generation" commets w/ extreme insult.

[jimster]

I totally understand the family thing epanzella, and trying to protect them.  My wife would be a loose cannon if people tried barging in though,  especially if they had their boots on and she just got done shampooing the carpet!  They would have to kill her.     I might as well start shooting and keep it up as long as I can.  Before she kills them all by herself.  

Seriously, everyone is different, some of us have kids, I don't have any home, it's just me and the wife and lot's different than having a bunch of kids all different ages in the house.  Something tells me though if it gets bad enough where they come into your house they would also hurt the family as well no matter what you did, they have that choice regardless.  If criminals got into your house with your family you'd have to fight them,  I don't see any difference if the criminals have some kind of patches or badges.  Same deal happens if you give up, it's up to them how bad your family gets hurt.  That's a tough deal with family in the house, and I can certainly understand wanting your family to be safe.  Nothing pulls your heart strings like your kids and wife.  

Singleshotsam.....your not alone....I have three young men,  20, 21, 24.....they are like you.  I have also spent some time watching young people make it through basic training the last couple of years, one of my own and some of his friends, sure did see lot's of young people with sand at those places.  Pants weren't fallin off either. 

[Dee]

I think the young people today have no real moral compass, and will follow whoever will "give" them the most.  The WWII generation is dying off, and the young don't have the moral sense of fighting for what is right. 

I beg to differ. I'm 25 years old with a wife, a son and a daughter due any day.  I was raised in a god fearing household where I respected my father and my mother and went to church when she did.  How dare you question my moral compass Dixiedude. 

You claim that we will follow whoever will give us the most?  What the hell have you been doing all your life?  Yes, its a shame that "the greatest generation" is dying off.  They were a breed that came through the great depression, and saw things no other human should have ever witnessed.  They command my utmost respect. 

Your last claim that we (I) "the younger generation" have no moral sense of fighting for what is right?  What did you do in your lifetime Dixiedude?  I stay in constant contact w/ my Represenatives.  When something I don't like happens they know!  I have said I will fight and DIE for my rights to defend MY family, your family and the families of those to cowardly to do it themselves.  I will ask for no thanks if the time comes and should I die in the process my son can look at my grave (if i'm allowed one) and know that his Daddy died for a cause bigger than his own selfish fears. 

Heather, another young person in this forum feels the same way and you know what else we think?  We both feel that we have inherited a HUGE mess to fix so that it will not be the burden of OUR children!  Yeah, there are a lot of young people that will follow the ones that offer the most, but guess what... they learned it from those were their elders.

I take your "younger generation" commets w/ extreme insult.

From an old fart, whom wisdom has at times slipped by, I salute a fighter sir, and respect one, and although I might slow you down at my age, we will defend our freedom together for as long as I can keep up.

[powderman]

I think the young people today have no real moral compass, and will follow whoever will "give" them the most.  The WWII generation is dying off, and the young don't have the moral sense of fighting for what is right. 

I beg to differ. I'm 25 years old with a wife, a son and a daughter due any day.  I was raised in a god fearing household where I respected my father and my mother and went to church when she did.  How dare you question my moral compass Dixiedude. 

You claim that we will follow whoever will give us the most?  What the hell have you been doing all your life?  Yes, its a shame that "the greatest generation" is dying off.  They were a breed that came through the great depression, and saw things no other human should have ever witnessed.  They command my utmost respect. 

Your last claim that we (I) "the younger generation" have no moral sense of fighting for what is right?  What did you do in your lifetime Dixiedude?  I stay in constant contact w/ my Represenatives.  When something I don't like happens they know!  I have said I will fight and DIE for my rights to defend MY family, your family and the families of those to cowardly to do it themselves.  I will ask for no thanks if the time comes and should I die in the process my son can look at my grave (if i'm allowed one) and know that his Daddy died for a cause bigger than his own selfish fears. 

Heather, another young person in this forum feels the same way and you know what else we think?  We both feel that we have inherited a HUGE mess to fix so that it will not be the burden of OUR children!  Yeah, there are a lot of young people that will follow the ones that offer the most, but guess what... they learned it from those were their elders.

I take your "younger generation" commets w/ extreme insult.

From an old fart, whom wisdom has at times slipped by, I salute a fighter sir, and respect one, and although I might slow you down at my age, we will defend our freedom together for as long as I can keep up.

DEE. Agreed and + 1. POWDERMAN. 

[LONGTOM]

Singleshot & Heather and any other younger ones on here that feel as you/we do I say good for you!
Just goes to show there is still hope for us as a people.



LONGTOM

[nomosendero]

I think the young people today have no real moral compass, and will follow whoever will "give" them the most.  The WWII generation is dying off, and the young don't have the moral sense of fighting for what is right. 

I beg to differ. I'm 25 years old with a wife, a son and a daughter due any day.  I was raised in a god fearing household where I respected my father and my mother and went to church when she did.  How dare you question my moral compass Dixiedude. 

You claim that we will follow whoever will give us the most?  What the hell have you been doing all your life?  Yes, its a shame that "the greatest generation" is dying off.  They were a breed that came through the great depression, and saw things no other human should have ever witnessed.  They command my utmost respect. 

Your last claim that we (I) "the younger generation" have no moral sense of fighting for what is right?  What did you do in your lifetime Dixiedude?  I stay in constant contact w/ my Represenatives.  When something I don't like happens they know!  I have said I will fight and DIE for my rights to defend MY family, your family and the families of those to cowardly to do it themselves.  I will ask for no thanks if the time comes and should I die in the process my son can look at my grave (if i'm allowed one) and know that his Daddy died for a cause bigger than his own selfish fears. 

Heather, another young person in this forum feels the same way and you know what else we think?  We both feel that we have inherited a HUGE mess to fix so that it will not be the burden of OUR children!  Yeah, there are a lot of young people that will follow the ones that offer the most, but guess what... they learned it from those were their elders.

I take your "younger generation" commets w/ extreme insult.

From an old fart, whom wisdom has at times slipped by, I salute a fighter sir, and respect one, and although I might slow you down at my age, we will defend our freedom together for as long as I can keep up.

Add me to that group!!!

Wow, Singleshotsam, a great post. I see your passion & committment here. Yes, I know plenty of good young Men &
happy to say I have some strong mentally & physically sons, a great blessing. I may slow you down a little, but at least I could point at Dee & remind everyone that he is older.  

Keep the faith

[Dee]

Boy nomosendero, that was about half sorry. True, but sorry.

[Singleshotsam]

You "more experienced" guys wont slow me down one bit.  In the end it will be all of us making our stand together.  What I may have in youth, you "experienced" guys make up for in wisdom and experience.  While my first meathod may be to charge in head first you may hold me back and show me a better way to do things.  It all works out in the end.  I'd be proud to stand shoulder to shoulder w/ any of you guys in a fight for our freedom.

I was born in this nation, the son of many brave, courageous, and brilliant fathers.  My ancestors fought, bled and died for this nation and I will be not different.  If anyone chooses to back down from this challenge then get out of my (our) way because we'll do it for you. 

There are two types of leaders according to Major Dick Winters from Easy Co. 101 airbourne.  Those that lead by fear and those that lead by example.  I will be one of those in the front leading by example, and standing up for what my fathers gave and sacrificed for me.

[DalesCarpentry]

I have to say I am a little surprised there are 8 people that would just hand their guns over. Well maybe not!!!!!! I think this thread really made my mind up. Hey I am a heavy smoker and know my days are numbered any ways. I would rather die for something I believe in than just die a terible death I know I am headed for. Dale

[LONGTOM]

Well Dale, when the time comes, if you don't mind, in between puffs could you pass me some more ammo and light one up for me.
I'll be a little busy i'm sure. 


LONGTOM

[Graybeard]

For those who so fear what will happen to their family after they are dead from defending the US Constitution I say to you that clearly you just do not understand what's going to happen to them anyway with or without you alive if they get our guns.

Read my other post above the real long one. Do some research about what is happening and what THEY have in mind for us. If you really want your family to go thru what the Jews did in Germany then I say you and I sure have different ideas of what's OK for our families.

[sturgeonhunter]

Yes I will fight if the time comes. Hunting,shooting and owning a firearm is a right that we cannot afford to loose.Our brave people in the services and our beloved veterans have fought and died for our rights lets not let their sacrafices and deaths be in vane. To me hunting and shooting is not a hobby it's a life style.

[CannonKrazy]

I think the majority here understands the consequences that would follow if we gave up our rights to keep and bear arms. Our guns, ammo and unity are the only things standing between freedom and overwhelming government control. If we give any of these three things up you can surely bet that our lives will be impacted with higher taxes, lower standards of living. As long as we keep our guns there is a fighting chance to better our lives and the lives of the next generations to come.

[DalesCarpentry]

I would have never in my life thought our government would betray us. I grew up knowing this is the best country in the world to live in. I am having a hard time comming to the reality that our government is against me and what I was raised to believe in. I have always felt safe in my country. Not so anymore. I never ever thought our gun rights could be taken away from us. After all it is in our Constitution. My wife still believes we will always be able to own guns because of that. There is no talking to her about it. I am really saden with the way things look. Dale