Would you fight and die for your gun rights?

[lgm270]

What I see coming down is a declaration of marital law based on some pretext most likely contocted by the feds as a false flag type operation or perhaps on some trivial event blown out of proportion for the effect they want.

They will lock the country down using all the National Guard and Army Reserve troops plus all federal troops and alphabet agency personnel who will stand with them. All news reports will end and be replaced by government status reports telling you what THEY want you to hear. They will claim things are so bad you must be removed from your homes and taken to camps for your own protection as stores will be closed and trucks will not be running to resupply local stores. All TV and radio stations will be taken over by the feds and only what they want broadcast will go out. Same for newspapers and magazines will stop completely.

Most will fall for it hook, line and sinker. Within three months 75% or more of the population will have willingly gone into the camps run by FEMA and already set up for this purpose in each state/region. There will be no news other than government news so folks will believe what they are told and most will do what they are told.

Naturally you will NOT be allowed to bring your firearms into these camps. Oh they will be happy to store them "safely of course" for you until the "emergency" is over and then be happy to return them to you. YEAH RIGHT when pigs fly and no I don't mean swine flu.

Once this is done and with no news other than government news being reported they will then come for those of us holdouts with a vengence and yeah they'll shoot first and ask questions later. I don't expect more than 20%-25% if even that of the population to hold out and not go to the camps. After all the stores will have no food or drugs and the water, gas and electricity will have been turned off. You'll be on your own to survive with what you had on the day it began or what you can find and round up on your own.

The camps are in reality not for helping you as they say but the same as the Nazi concentration camps. If you go in the only way you'll come out is in a body bag. Go at your own peril but be aware if you go into one you will die there.

Believe it or not but it will come to pass by 2012, there will never be another presidential election unless the hold outs win and reestablish the US Constitution once again as law of the land.

Very scary, but very plausible. 

In today's world, if you're not paranoid your probably nuts.

[SHOOTALL]

I'm sorry but i feel the average American will not allow this , gun sales alone point out their/our unwilliness to be subjects .
I'm sorry but i keep thinking back to all the hype about Y2K and the anti climax .

[DDZ]

I'm disturbed over the fact that someone like Obama got elected, but I still do have faith in enough Americans, to not let something like this happen.

[Graybeard]

Let me know how that works for ya'll when the come to take you to the camps "for your own safety of course".

[lgm270]

I'm sorry but i feel the average American will not allow this , gun sales alone point out their/our unwilliness to be subjects .
I'm sorry but i keep thinking back to all the hype about Y2K and the anti climax .

You cite gun sales as evidence that the "average American" will not allow the gun confiscation and round ups.  I hope you're right, but I don't share your optimism.  For one thing, the "average American" is not buying guns.  Gun buyers are very much outside the realm of "average."  I don't mean to be nit-picking, but I think it's a distinction that needs to be made. 

I see some optimism in the fact that public opinion is turning against Obama more quickly than against any other president in my life time.  The Tea Party  movement, founded in the Ron Paul movement, is  a source of hope and optimism.   Sometimes it seems like "they" have an iron grip, but it may not be so tight as we fear. 

Predicting the future is certainly  not an exact science, is it?

[billy_56081]

Being more than half the voters voted for BHO, I would say the "average" person is stupid. Well a plus side to the camps may be that these "average" stupid BHO voters will be the ones going to the camps. I say when we get them in, we keep em there.

[jimster]

Billy_56081....you done made me pass some coffee through my nose and now I have to clean the keyboard. 

First good laugh I had all day, and it wasn't even a joke.

[john keyes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4&feature=related

[powderman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4&feature=related

I rarely click links, slow dialup, what is it???  POWDERMAN. 

[gypsyman]

Billy, have to go along with your evaluation of the average voter. Let me work some figure's, and give us a brighter outlook. Just looked up the election results, since I couldn't remember them. The ''teflon don'', won the election with almost 67,000,000 voters. Now, if the population of the U.S. is close to 300,000,000, that means we outnumber them almost  5 to one. See, you didn't need to buy that extra case of 5.56 after all. Hope you got a good deal on it. gypsyman

[billy_56081]

HMMM, now I understand you, the ones who stayed home on election day were voters too? I would imagine the ones that stayed home and didn't vote werre evn stupider.

[ironglow]

The bickering thruout this thread is a good example of how the anti-gunners can beat us. "DIVIDE AND CONQUER" is an old tactic but apperently it still works.

  Epanzella;
  In case you didn't notice,  there wasn't a lot of bickering "among" us. It was just the backer of the jackass party..acting like one. All the rest were pretty much in agreement..

  
  
Anybody who would vote for the prez & congress which would do this:
  
Subject: HR 4 5 here it comes America

<http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text

Congress is now starting on the firearms confiscation bill. If it passes, gun owners will become criminals if you don't fully comply. It has started.
Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 4 5 introduced into the House. This is the Blair Holt Firearm  Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2 009.
Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because the government  is trying to fly it under the radar.
To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 4 5 or Google HR 4 5 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record  of Sales Act of 2 009. You will get all the information.
Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pi stol unless:
-It is registered -You are fingerprinted -You supply a current Driver's License -You supply your Social Security # -You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time  of their choosing -Each update - change or ownership through private or public  sale must be reported and costs $ 2 5 - Failure to do so you  automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail. -There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305  stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18. -They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children  and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.
  If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this. It is long and lengthy.  But, more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along.  Any hunters in your family pass this along.
This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no  defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished  before anyone realizes it.  This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not.
If you take my gun, only the criminal will have one to use against me. HR 4 5 only makes me/us less safe. After working with convicts for 2 6 years I know this bill, if passed, would make them  happy and in less danger from their victims.

<http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45:
<http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show
<http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45
Please.. copy and send this out to EVERYONE in the USA ,  whether you support the Right to Bear Arms or are for gun control. We all  should have the right to choose.

    .......Anyone who voted for these Socialist/Marxists thugs..Doesn't belong in the company of decent sportsmen !
     ...Sounds like he spends most of his hunting time at "Mahogany Ridge" anyway..  Then, of course he does inordinately dwell quite a bit on "gay" things...
 

[SHOOTALL]

GB , didn't say I'd go . I would rather talk about how to stop the problem instead of waiting to treat the symptom .
IGM270 , I have had more than a few peole that i work with , others i run into from time to time and some that live near ask me what to buy , what ammo to get and what other gear to add like cleaning stuff , holsters , slings mags etc . I think you might be suprised just who is stocking up , I WAS !
I work around alot of different people . Many voted for him . Some wanted a free ride ( some always do ) . Others would vote democrat no matter who run . Most it seems voted for change and he was the best they had to vote for . Many if most didn't like him 100% they wanted change . Most of them were tired of war ( they don't understand it will be a fight either here or over there ) . They were tired of starting wars and not finishing them . Others were tired of the health insurance scam we are seeing in America ( you can decide who repairs your car and what parts but not your own body ) . One just wanted to visit Cuba on a stright flight instead of going through the trouble of sneeking in .
Most of these people today are starting to realize they won't see the change they voted for . many are realizing it is congress that needs change . the next election may be the real change . I even heard a democrat say if they keep spending even the rich won't be able to pay it off . See they are learning , slow , but learning .

[epanzella]

The bickering thruout this thread is a good example of how the anti-gunners can beat us. "DIVIDE AND CONQUER" is an old tactic but apperently it still works.

  Epanzella;
  In case you didn't notice,  there wasn't a lot of bickering "among" us. It was just the backer of the jackass party..acting like one. All the rest were pretty much in agreement..

  
  

I'm not tryin' to bust stones but I wanted to point out the intolerance shown towards people fighting the same battle but using different tools or tactics. I didn't see any posts in this thead FOR gun confiscation or control. To keep our freedoms we need to welome everyone with that common goal, whether he's a survivalist building a fort in the rockies or a guy mailing Obama a boquet of flowers with a nasty note enclosed. The battle for guns will be fought on the internet and the court of public opinion. We can't afford to alienate anyone and we can't afford to lose.
  Check out the link below on the treaty Obama's pushing. It calls for national gun owner registration, (the first step to the armegeddon we've been haggling over). It goes on to say that forign countries will have access to the list of gun owners and allows extradition of Americans to forign courts to answer alledged treaty violations. It also has provisions concerning illegal ammunition manufacture (good bye handloading). These are the things we have unify against and fight with all our strength RIGHT NOW, because by the time you're shooting it out with the state cop in your driveway, it's too late.   

http://wearechangecoloradosprings.org/blog/?p=594

[ironglow]

  Epan;
  Who is doing the "alienating"? Is it the many fine folks who have been on this forum for years..or is it the one who boasts about voting for the guy (Obama) who wants to grab our guns ?
   As a platoon sgt, I remember one fellow who seemed to be never able to keep in step. He was sure he was in step...
 
  Sure he was; it was the other 31 guys and myself who were out of step...

  Seems like we are divided already,.... when one brags about having voted for the enemy..

[buffermop]

Sounds like a two part question. Fight for your guns, why? if they can't find them. Die for gun rights if we don't have any.

[shotgun31]

This is a question for Dee.

I went to a gun show recently, and there was an ATF booth.  I talked a bit with the guy behind the desk, and he was an office guy who said he "wasn't a sworn officer".  The person was a finance manager, said he just obtained a CCW license, we talked a bit.  Nice enough guy, but "not a sworn officer". 

A few years ago I took an oath to "defend and protect the consitiution of the United States, against all enemies foreign and domestic".  Is this the oath that federal peace officers take, or is it something else?

Thanks.  I'm not a lawyer, just interested.  What is this oath that some ATF agents take?  Any idea?
Shotgun

[epanzella]

  Epan;
  Who is doing the "alienating"? Is it the many fine folks who have been on this forum for years..or is it the one who boasts about voting for the guy (Obama) who wants to grab our guns ?
   As a platoon sgt, I remember one fellow who seemed to be never able to keep in step. He was sure he was in step...
 
  Sure he was; it was the other 31 guys and myself who were out of step...

  Seems like we are divided already,.... when one brags about having voted for the enemy..

I wasn't accusing anybody of anything I was just saying everybody interested in keeping their rights need to band together. Divide and conquer was the game plan of the assault weapon bill. Instead of fighting all of us they just battled some of us and won. An attack on one gun or one gun owner is an attack on all of us.
Ed Panzella

[ironglow]

 Epanzella;
  I can agree with that OK. We can't beat the feds one-by-one, we may someday have to commit mass "civil disobedience"..it has worked for other mistreated people.

[WolfTrap]

  Epan;
  Who is doing the "alienating"? Is it the many fine folks who have been on this forum for years..or is it the one who boasts about voting for the guy (Obama) who wants to grab our guns ?
   As a platoon sgt, I remember one fellow who seemed to be never able to keep in step. He was sure he was in step...
 
  Sure he was; it was the other 31 guys and myself who were out of step...

  Seems like we are divided already,.... when one brags about having voted for the enemy..

I wasn't accusing anybody of anything I was just saying everybody interested in keeping their rights need to band together. Divide and conquer was the game plan of the assault weapon bill. Instead of fighting all of us they just battled some of us and won. An attack on one gun or one gun owner is an attack on all of us.
Ed Panzella

EP,
Doesn't do any good to explain the one side or other. But not taking on issues that Flicks the Bic is cowardice! These Flies give credence to "Eating the weakest" in order to stay strong...sets a bad example to those, myself included... fighting an uphill battle concerning gun ownership!
How do we make arguments in light of insane attacks on helpless human beings gunned down like animals for the slaughter?
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html 
Insane, wouldn't you admit?
Think about the ten of thousands directly affected and the hate for gun owners like you folks and myself included? How do we address their pain?
Bang the Internet with flat out threats of civil war, assassinations and civil disturbance against these same people who will have the power to banned firearms in the near future.
Or do we educate the American public in a more positive note?
I honestly believe the later should be address....any ideas as to archive the objective?
Believe it when I say.....families think I'm nuts owning so much hardware that kills people everyday of week?
My argument's vanish like TP Billie's wisdom......farts in the wind?
So....honesty and level headed communication is my firearm!
Try as they may, I'll never sell out my beliefs!
WolfTrap

[billy_56081]

Well said IG the one that thought the others were out of step is as all BHO voters were, too stupid to even know he was stupid.

[powderman]

wolftrap. Your hardware kills people everyday??? Thats the kind of ridiculously ignorant  remark that the antis love to hear. My hardware harms nobody. I've begun to believe that you are a plant from the dnc, doubt you even own a gun. POWDERMAN. 

[WolfTrap]

wolftrap. Your hardware kills people everyday??? Thats the kind of ridiculously ignorant  remark that the antis love to hear. My hardware harms nobody. I've begun to believe that you are a plant from the dnc, doubt you even own a gun. POWDERMAN. 

A plant?
If only my Heavy Metal Silhouette Friends could see this, they would probably help GBO's Hardliners hang me from the highest tree? Dim Steel busting O'Boys couldn't understand my Crat beliefs, thereby some heated debate's during the Saturday night BBQ's. But, after all these years..steel friends
No my friend, the DNC considers me a GOP plant as well
Yes, folks not in the know.... will consider "Guns kill people not people kill people"... to justify a blind hate for us in the sport!
And some of you folks are helping them with "In your face" displays of psychotic behavior!
Lord help us!
WT 

[DalesCarpentry]

wolftrap. Your hardware kills people everyday??? Thats the kind of ridiculously ignorant  remark that the antis love to hear. My hardware harms nobody. I've begun to believe that you are a plant from the dnc, doubt you even own a gun. POWDERMAN. 

A plant?
If only my Heavy Metal Silhouette Friends could see this, they would probably help GBO's Hardliners hang me from the highest tree? Dim Steel busting O'Boys couldn't understand my Crat beliefs, thereby some heated debate's during the Saturday night BBQ's. But, after all these years..steel friends
No my friend, the DNC considers me a GOP plant as well
Yes, folks not in the know.... will consider "Guns kill people not people kill people"... to justify a blind hate for us in the sport!
And some of you folks are helping them with "In your face" displays of psychotic behavior!
Lord help us!
WT 

Looks like we got ourselves a double agent then!!!!!!!!!!! Dale

[teamnelson]

Not to take this too far ... but do y'all even know HOW to fight together against someone else? Or are you thinking its going to be like Red Dawn? If 80,000 North Koreans streamed down from Canada, through Michigan, they'd wipe out every duck blind and tree stand in their path, using combined arms and coordinated fire, because 4 trained men working together is stronger than 40 individuals taking cover behind their respective pickups. Even Al Qaeda knows that.

The continental army was not simply an unruly mob of individuals banded together on principle; there was a lot of experience in no-kidding combat in leadership roles, teaching folks how to fight together, and issuing orders that saved alot of lives. Warfare is an art form, not just two picket lines across a dewy field hammering until you win by attrition.

I hope we have more to offer on game day than some really awesome sounding locker room chants.

[WolfTrap]

wolftrap. Your hardware kills people everyday??? Thats the kind of ridiculously ignorant  remark that the antis love to hear. My hardware harms nobody. I've begun to believe that you are a plant from the dnc, doubt you even own a gun. POWDERMAN. 

A plant?
If only my Heavy Metal Silhouette Friends could see this, they would probably help GBO's Hardliners hang me from the highest tree? Dim Steel busting O'Boys couldn't understand my Crat beliefs, thereby some heated debate's during the Saturday night BBQ's. But, after all these years..steel friends
No my friend, the DNC considers me a GOP plant as well
Yes, folks not in the know.... will consider "Guns kill people not people kill people"... to justify a blind hate for us in the sport!
And some of you folks are helping them with "In your face" displays of psychotic behavior!
Lord help us!
WT 

Looks like we got ourselves a double agent then!!!!!!!!!!! Dale

DC,
How about a Free thinker?
Isn't that what we're about?
Free to speak one's mind?
Good night....until tomorrow,
WolfTrap

[powderman]

wolftrap. The party you support is dedicated to disarming the law abiding in America, they believe that murdering babies is birth control, and not only condone, but promote homosexuality. Just saying Lord help me isn't gonna be enough. I still find it hard to believe you actually own a gun given your choice of osama. Even knowing what he was, you still voted for him. Sad. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

   
   

     "FREETHINKER"  I GUESS !...,the same kind of "freethinkers' who vote to:
 
  A) Continue the holocaust on pre-born boys & girls.

  B) Give Kim Jung Il, Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez & Vladimir Putin a list of US gun owners and their guns..(HR 45)
       
         (this, the same gang that recoiled at "eavesdropping" on international terrorists !)

  C) Back prez that ried to make wounded vets pay for their own continued hospitalization.

  D) Back special rights for perverts.

  E) Have us in debt load that our grandchildren will not escape.

  F) Nominates and elects a prez with very doubtful eligibility.

  G) Wants to close the best possible containment for terrorism detainees.

  H) Hints at releasing captured terrorists into our public..with WELFARE CHECKS !!
      (and want to take our guns away while perpetrating this crime)

  I) Sponsor a prez that goes on a foreign junket..trashing his own country at every turn.

  J) Endorses and tries to promote a criminal outfit.. ACORN, as a bonafide census taking group.

  K) Welcomes Socialism..if not Marxism.

  L) Considers panties on the head (Abu Gharib) worse than completely removing the head..(Danny Perl, Nick Berg & others).

         I could go on and on..but no need. Almost everyone here knows that those who back the Socialists are obviously not "freethinkers", but rather an excellent example of successful brainwashing by those who were in turn...brainwashed..

       Not hard to brainwash someone with such a small load of laundry !..

 

[lgm270]

Hey Wolftrap.  I have news for you:

COMMUNISTS KILL THEIR POPULATIONS  That's why gun control is so important to them, not to mention hate crimes laws, consolidation of economic power and the "press"  in the hands of ruling elites...civilian "security forces" like the KGB. 

 I can't imagine a gun owner who feels good about voting for an outright Communist like Obama.  This kind of thinking might have been understandable in the 1930's when delusional people and outright liars described  the Soviet Union as the "Noble xperiment".    We know better now... at least most of us do.

Obama is proposing all of these things and will very likely achieve them if the tide doesn't turn fast enough. 

[WolfTrap]

     "FREETHINKER"  I GUESS !...,the same kind of "freethinkers' who vote to:
 
  A) Continue the holocaust on pre-born boys & girls.
OK, I’ll bite?
Simple….I don’t make it habit worrying about women making their own decisions concerning what to do about their bodies! Their actions will be judge after they’ve live out their lives. It’s not us to judge, but God and His Son she’ll have to answer? So stop looking up women dresses with a flashlight, it’s sick and you know it!

  B) Give Kim Jung Il, Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez & Vladimir Putin a list of US gun owners and their guns..(HR 45)
       
         (this, the same gang that recoiled at "eavesdropping" on international terrorists !)
Don’t be such a “Hammer Head”! HR45 is a dead issue!

  C) Back prez that ried to make wounded vets pay for their own continued hospitalization.
How can you run with that? Silly to think the most powerful man in the world would treat His Soldiers so cold hearted? 

  D) Back special rights for perverts.
Sorry HH, I don’t have enough info to respond? Gun Perverts like you and I?

  E) Have us in debt load that our grandchildren will not escape
Well, rather have a trillion dollar debt spent inside of the 50 than wasting it outside making Rich…Richer!

  F) Nominates and elects a prez with very doubtful eligibility.
Do mean President Bush? Ah….let’s see! A Texas Governor famous for Beer Bashes, questionable executions, convictions that are now being thrown out because of DNA has shown a ton of “Black” convicts have served time while being innocent?

Well, the majority of Americans thought otherwise. Which includes Crossover White Pubs, Very White Inde’s and bless their hearts….Latinos with a Love Jones against GOP White Sheet Clan members!
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=USP00p1

  G) Wants to close the best possible containment for terrorism detainees.
OK…what if I told the local policeman I saw you talking or were related to Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols? They in turn throw you in a cage without any legal consul for 8 years? Habeas Corpus? That's been thrown out. Bill of Rights.. allowing quick trial? Doesn’t exist for you, now known as a “Traitor and Terrorist” without any Rights so ever?
Don’t be such a “Pin-Head” following Rightist Cant?

  H) Hints at releasing captured terrorists into our public..with WELFARE CHECKS !!
      (and want to take our guns away while perpetrating this crime)
HH, how much captivity can these people take without a trial? Sick to think we are so callous and thickheaded keeping a probable innocent man/women lock for life? What a display of hypocrisy! We are Americans with two pieces documents that proclaim in part “You are innocent until proven guilty”!

  I) Sponsor a prez that goes on a foreign junket..trashing his own country at every turn.
The President of the United States doesn’t and never has gone on “Junkets”! Our President's travel the World with out interest in mind. That means "All of US"!
So, pay for your supermarket items and ignore the stacks of “Tabloids” so close to your heart?

  J) Endorses and tries to promote a criminal outfit.. ACORN, as a bonafide census taking group.
Hey! ACORN like so many public organizations start out benign and end up with some internal problems like some you may or may not be part of? It happens! Now, they are on track and back to help those less able to fight the system!

  K) Welcomes Socialism..if not Marxism.
You mean like how President Bush embraced “Fascism” rewriting how the Bill of Rights and the United States Constitution was to be used for his agenda?

  L) Considers panties on the head (Abu Gharib) worse than completely removing the head..(Danny Perl, Nick Berg & others)
Sorry, can’t answer that…. too much “Babel”

         I could go on and on..but no need. Almost everyone here knows that those who back the Socialists are obviously not "freethinkers", but rather an excellent example of successful brainwashing by those who were in turn...brainwashed.

       Not hard to brainwash someone with such a small load of laundry !
Well, we all can’t be Saints?

PH,
I learn this in Philosophy 101…….look in a mirror and say in a calm voice….Cynicism? Repeat three or four times. It just might help you?
WT
PS: Thought I would change my avatar and low and behold....someone put me in their ignore list? How sad it that? Just 90 seconds into the 1st round and flat on His/Her back? I have in one time use the ignore check....because the moron started to aim his sights between the eyeballs, brave soul that he was!
Oh well, guess people can take only so much counter punches and thrown in the towel?