Would you fight and die for your gun rights?

[jimster]

Wolftrap.  

They pass a law legally baring the ownership of firearms.  you comply.

Then....all the other things you said you'd fight for, or just one of them...happen after that.  

What are you going to fight with then?  

It's not about metal, plastic and wood my friend.  No other country is going to drop crates of guns and ammo in your neighborhood when all heck breaks lose cause you don't have any guns...WE did this for other countries...nobody will for us.  

Yes, they might pass a law.  They might pass a whole bunch of laws.  You can count on it.  Our founding fathers were marked for death and hanging when they signed the documents that told the world, your rights come from your creator.  Not from other men.

I'm not giving up anything I have in my house or property,  it's all legal because I'm free.  Those guns I have are mine and can be used for pleasure, hunting, defending myself, or just looking at if I want to and remembering things.  Same as a model airplane, they ain't takin that either while I'm alive.

I figure your all ready willing to die according to your post there...all you have to do is add your guns to the list...if you don't, you better hope they go down your list in the right order!

[WolfTrap]

I kind of feel that if it is to happen then "enemies out side my Country" will be the ones that come to do it.

I don't think the government would use our local boys.
Just to many friends around to be sure.
Outside forces would have no friends here.
That last line can be taken both ways!


LONGTOM

LT, if you're saying "The United Nations"....we went through that in the 90's! Now we're going to hear it for the next 3 plus years how the Military will (The supposed "Secret Military Question Sheet" that nobody ever produced?" not war in U.S Citizens and the last solution is to use the United Nations to come in our borders and take by force the firearms we own? I, like ever one else got sucked into voting for Bush like lame sheep we were

[LONGTOM]

WolfTrap:

Not really sure who it will be.
I guess it could be the UN forces or a private milita group hired by our own government for all I know.

I would rather it be outside forces.
Then there would be no quarms in anyones minds about what we would have to do.

Just stated my beliefs or gut feelings on who it could be.


LONGTOM

[WolfTrap]

WolfTrap:

Not really sure who it will be.
I guess it could be the UN forces or a private milita group hired by our own government for all I know.

I would rather it be outside forces.
Then there would be no quarms in anyones minds about what we would have to do.

Just stated my beliefs or gut feelings on who it could be.


LONGTOM

LT, the only legal militia group that operates in the United States is Xe...a.k.a. BlackWater.
Now the only question I'm asking....will gun owners shoot to kill members of a Legal Citizen Militia carrying out a legal law written as "The Second Amendment" has been withdrawn from the Bill of Rights and Constitution?
Good luck folks answering that one

[LONGTOM]

Not a legal milita group but maybe a rouge group from a foreign country.
More like what our military are fighting over seas.

A group that our government can disavow, or for that matter they can even claim them.
After all if they are going to disobey the US CONSTUTION then they won't have to follow the rules.

See what I am getting at?


LONGTOM

[WolfTrap]

Not a legal milita group but maybe a rouge group from a foreign country.
More like what our military are fighting over seas.

A group that our government can disavow, or for that matter they can even claim them.
After all if they are going to disobey the US CONSTUTION then they won't have to follow the rules.

See what I am getting at?


LONGTOM

Seeing how The United States Fund/Armed Osama Bin Laden's private army.... to terrorize The Soviet Union I can only surmise the next Great Hype.....United States is going to Fund/Arm Mexico's Drug Cartels private army to carry out it's dictates
WT

[Redtail1949]

Yes I would but I would fight smart as smart as I can. My weapons will not be here, that  is not all when they come. i will give those that are without the needless and certain loss of my life at that time. However, after that I would be a very dangerous man.

Use you head and live to fight another day. Insurgency use your head.

[Ironworker]

I'm a Christian,my purpose in life is to be loved by God and to Love him back. Is it Gods will that I give up my life for a bunch of guns.( I love my guns)Life is about relationships ,not things. I have a family that need me.Evil people that kick down my door or give the orders to do so will be judged by a Holy God.If a SWAT team pulls in front of my house and shoot tear gas or pepper spray ? What kind of sight picture can I maintain ? They could drop an "J-Dam from the sky?  Bottom line is all cross that bridge when I come to it. In the mean time I'm gonna pray hard for my country and seek Gods will for my life which actually belongs to him. Its Gods way or the hell way.

[DDZ]

It really isn't about dieing for a bunch of guns. If you did lose your life fighting it would be for your God given rights, not for your guns. God gave us a free will, and I believe he would not want us to just lie down and have those rights taken from us.
You are correct about the relationships. Life is about relationships, and People are the only treasure you can store up for Heaven.

[SHOOTALL]

a man submits to rules to live in a group , it started as a family then a cland then a village then a state then a nation . When you are free you make the chioce . It seems what is being ask is who will choose not to be in the existing group and form a new group or go it alone .

[Singleshotsam]

Use you head and live to fight another day. Insurgency use your head.

Haha... I like that.  I disagree with it to a point, but I still like it

The bottom line is if you are un-willing to die for your god given rights then you are not a true American. 

[WolfTrap]

Wolftrap.  

They pass a law legally baring the ownership of firearms.  you comply.

Then....all the other things you said you'd fight for, or just one of them...happen after that.  

What are you going to fight with then?  

It's not about metal, plastic and wood my friend.  No other country is going to drop crates of guns and ammo in your neighborhood when all heck breaks lose cause you don't have any guns...WE did this for other countries...nobody will for us.  

Yes, they might pass a law.  They might pass a whole bunch of laws.  You can count on it.  Our founding fathers were marked for death and hanging when they signed the documents that told the world, your rights come from your creator.  Not from other men.

I'm not giving up anything I have in my house or property,  it's all legal because I'm free.  Those guns I have are mine and can be used for pleasure, hunting, defending myself, or just looking at if I want to and remembering things.  Same as a model airplane, they ain't takin that either while I'm alive.

I figure your all ready willing to die according to your post there...all you have to do is add your guns to the list...if you don't, you better hope they go down your list in the right order!

Ok....here goes!
Seems the question concerning "Death before they confiscate my Gun(S)" has turned into "God" has given Me(Us) a combination of STEEL-WOOD-PLASTIC to die for? I that case, my Cup(III Safes) hath spilled over!
You know, I get really tired when logic runs out, most drag in "God" has their shooting partner?
I live in Gods heart the best I can.
From where I stand, there's no gun racks in his heart!
Here's a passage from "Red River":
Shooting and planting!
Shooting and planting!
Why is it when you kill a man, you read the Lord in on the job?
So Ladies and Gentlemen, as far as it reads in the Bible.....owning a Gun doesn't exist anywhere in the Good Book! Thereby our Founding Fathers read God in on the job? Wrong!!!!
Look, I own firearms! Some I've forgotten in Back/Bottom in safes I haven't open in a ton of months. Forty years of collecting from shops, shows and sadly....a handful of firearms of those who've pasted on.
There's not one I would die for..period!
Other than handful of BP's in both short and long...every one of them will be destroyed before any agency or group comes and confiscate them!
WolfTrap
PS: Wife(AAAPistol) and I(MasterPistol) have in writing....every firearm we own will be destroy in the event of our death. Wither it's carried out.....well....when you is dead....you is dead!!

[nomosendero]

Wolftrap, just say you voted for BHO, the rest explains itself.

[SHOOTALL]

This is cracking me up , I will type slow so its easy to read . IT AIN"T ABOUT DIEING FOR A GUN ITS ABOUT YOUR RIGHT OF SELF PROTECTION , THE FREEDOM TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM MAN , BEAST OR GOVT. which ever is bent on hurting you .
IF YOU LOOSE YOUR RIGHT TO PROTECT YOURSELF YOU HAVE NO FREEDOM OR RIGHTS AT ALL .
Maybe if you can't understand that you don't deserve the right to begin with .

[Heather]

This is cracking me up , I will type slow so its easy to read . IT AIN"T ABOUT DIEING FOR A GUN ITS ABOUT YOUR RIGHT OF SELF PROTECTION , THE FREEDOM TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM MAN , BEAST OR GOVT. which ever is bent on hurting you .
IF YOU LOOSE YOUR RIGHT TO PROTECT YOURSELF YOU HAVE NO FREEDOM OR RIGHTS AT ALL .
Maybe if you can't understand that you don't deserve the right to begin with .

Well put shootall!

Heather

[AtlLaw]

I will type slow so its easy to read

   "Read my lips!"   

[canon6]

Yes, many reasons all have been listed.I owe it to my family to protect them,I can with out weapons to a point, but weapons make me more dangerous.    Doug

[SHOOTALL]

ATlLaw , you know some read fast but don't listen to quick !

[Singleshotsam]

Seems the question concerning "Death before they confiscate my Gun(S)" has turned into "God" has given Me(Us) a combination of STEEL-WOOD-PLASTIC to die for? I that case, my Cup(III Safes) hath spilled over!
You know, I get really tired when logic runs out, most drag in "God" has their shooting partner?

WolfTrap, if you are going to accuse us of being ignorant of this subject because we have brought God into it, then you can at least profess that we are ignorant by saying it in a grammatically correct way.  I find it very hard to be called ignorant by the person who refuses to take the time to re-read his statement and correct it in an intelligent fashion. 

[Badnews Bob]

Yes I will fight for OUR RIGHTSNot mine. not yours. everybodys. I have in the past and I will continue to do so. Guns are not what I will be fighting for they are only a means to the end so to speak. If they take away our weapons the rest will be easy to take, I know that and so do the enemy.   Wake up people and see that they are not after your guns, they are after your citizenship.

They take our guns we will become subjects not citizens and then they will take everything else. That is what I fight against and if I have to die to try and prevent it so be it.  So ask yourself are you an American citizen or are you the subject of a corrupt goverment?


Yes I will fight for our rights.

[scootrd]

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety".
 -  Benjamin Franklin

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government".
 - Thomas Jefferson

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
  --  Thomas Jefferson

History teaches us that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.
Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall

Men trained in arms from their infancy, and animated by the love of liberty, will afford neither a cheap or easy conquest.
-- From the Declaration of the Continental Congress, July 1775

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.
Patrick Henry (1736-1739)

"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms ... "
-- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts,
 - and the guys Beer is pretty good also!!!

[jimster]

Better to fight for something than live for nothing.
George S. Patton

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights and those of their fellow citizens." -- The Federalist, No. 29

- Alexander Hamilton

"Are we at last brought to such an humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms under our own possesion and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"

- Patrick Henry

[Elijah Gunn]

I'm a Christian,my purpose in life is to be loved by God and to Love him back. Is it Gods will that I give up my life for a bunch of guns.( I love my guns)Life is about relationships ,not things. I have a family that need me.Evil people that kick down my door or give the orders to do so will be judged by a Holy God.If a SWAT team pulls in front of my house and shoot tear gas or pepper spray ? What kind of sight picture can I maintain ? They could drop an "J-Dam from the sky?  Bottom line is all cross that bridge when I come to it. In the mean time I'm gonna pray hard for my country and seek Gods will for my life which actually belongs to him. Its Gods way or the hell way.

It really isn't about dieing for a bunch of guns. If you did lose your life fighting it would be for your God given rights, not for your guns. God gave us a free will, and I believe he would not want us to just lie down and have those rights taken from us.
You are correct about the relationships. Life is about relationships, and People are the only treasure you can store up for Heaven.

These 2 posts express where I am at. God is going to have people on both sides of this issue. If a fellow christian knows that God has called them to not resist I can respect that. I have to consider myself a christian before my loyalty to the constitution. We can quote the founders all day, and they did express a lot of powerful truths, but we have to remember that that was their time. If God is bringing an end to the USA it would not be a good thing to fight against His will.
Gods kingdom is eternal ,but the USA (and all other nations) will eventually come to an end.
There are biblical arguments for each side of the question. I'm trying to know for sure which way God wants me to go on this. I'd truly hate to have to answer for killing people unjustly on judgement day!
Once the trigger is pulled everything changes. We won't  just go to work the next day and talk about how we defended the constitution. We will either be dead, dying ,in prison, or on the run. However, we could also get a miracle and see an uprising that cleans up the nation.

[powderman]

This is cracking me up , I will type slow so its easy to read . IT AIN"T ABOUT DIEING FOR A GUN ITS ABOUT YOUR RIGHT OF SELF PROTECTION , THE FREEDOM TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM MAN , BEAST OR GOVT. which ever is bent on hurting you .
IF YOU LOOSE YOUR RIGHT TO PROTECT YOURSELF YOU HAVE NO FREEDOM OR RIGHTS AT ALL .
Maybe if you can't understand that you don't deserve the right to begin with .

YEP. POWDERMAN. 

[streak]

Well I am sure glad that what the poll is showing so far that the majority would stand up and fight to preserve their right to keep and bear arms in order to maintain what freedom that we have left!

Also I would have alot warmer and fuzzy feeling about the current status of our country if Obama would stand before this country and produce a varifiable birth certificate!

[billy_56081]

Well I am sure glad that what the poll is showing so far that the majority would stand up and fight to preserve their right to keep and bear arms in order to maintain what freedom that we have left!

Also I would have alot warmer and fuzzy feeling about the current status of our country if Obama would stand before this country and produce a varifiable birth certificate!

Yep, it is good to see that we have only a few cowards here. If you will not stand up for your rights you are part of the problem. Cowardice has been a staple of dictators and despots to remain in control.

So to the cowards that say they would not fight and die for their rights I ask this, what would you die for?

[DDZ]

Elijah, was the constitution not written by Godly men who were inspired by Gods principles, morals, and values?  I truely believe that God would want his people to stand for the constitution. After all, these are GOD given rights we are talking about.

George Mason is called the father of the of the Bill Of Rights. He insisted that the first ten amendments be added to the constitution. The purpose for these additions was Quote, "The laws of nature are the laws of God, whose authority can be superseded by no power on earth".

Patrick Henry declared " It cannot be emphasized too strongly that this great nation was founded, not by reigionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

The constitution was drafted so as to be the legal foundation of a republican form of government based on that model which God had ordained for the children of Israel.

The U.S. Constitution established a republic under God, rather than a democracy. Every one of the 55 signers and writers were a member of a Christian denomination. The Constitution was written in a sense by God, just as the Bible was written by God. For this is the reason I will stand for my God given rights.  

We as a nation have fallen far from God and his principles. We have a government now, who does not uphold the laws of the Constitution, but there are still are number of us who will strive, to hold dear our God given rights.

Elijah, we most likely won't go to work the next day, but you may be able to talk about how WE defended the Constitution. I would rather be on the run, or dead, than dying in prison.

As Christians you won't have to worry about killing someone unjustly on Judgement day.
1 Thessalonians 1:10  And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who delivers us from the wrath to come.  

[WolfTrap]

Well I am sure glad that what the poll is showing so far that the majority would stand up and fight to preserve their right to keep and bear arms in order to maintain what freedom that we have left!

Also I would have alot warmer and fuzzy feeling about the current status of our country if Obama would stand before this country and produce a varifiable birth certificate!

Yep, it is good to see that we have only a few cowards here. If you will not stand up for your rights you are part of the problem. Cowardice has been a staple of dictators and despots to remain in control.

So to the cowards that say they would not fight and die for their rights I ask this, what would you die for?

Bill,
Seems you've cart blanc here concerning the use of horrible handles towards those who disagree with your beliefs? Why? What enjoyment do you derive spewing insults? I understand "Heat of the moment" and guilty of such acts! Regretting it later by apologizing.... if possible?
Since this pointless topic has again manage to separate those agree to die for something as of now....intangible, to flat out insulting those (I) who have a different slant as to....what is worth dying for?
So...as for myself, let answer "What would I die for"?
My Wife
My Daughters
My Grandchildren
Saving anybodies love one's from a deadly situation...for which I've!
Pulling someone from a massive car fire....for which I've!
Pulling a truck driver from his rig laying on it's side due to  high winds on the 210....for which we have!
Even if I did or didn't know you....I would risk my life saving your (censored word) from a deadly situation!
Last but not least....I know in my heart I would stand in front of the President of the United States taking the bullet!
So Bill, I'm asking in the light of cowardice....would you take a bullet protecting the Office of the President of the United States?
 

[DalesCarpentry]

Last but not least....I know in my heart I would stand in front of the President of the United States taking the bullet!
So Bill, I'm asking in the light of cowardice....would you take a bullet protecting the Office of the President of the United States?


Your kidding right. I would step out of the way of the bullet. Dale

[WolfTrap]

Wolftrap, just say you voted for BHO, the rest explains itself.

Sendero......read the replies I've posted!
WolfTrap
PS: My Sendero 300 Ultra Mag, Ported, Bipod, Leopold 6-18 Target, prints 3.5 in. at 500yrs with 200gr HP's with cold shot at 6in. low and 6in. left. Wind L to R 10mph, Elevation 700ft.
What does yours print at same distance?