Author Topic: Brady's calling your bolt action gun a "Sniper Rifle" (Read 6396 times)

azshooter · « **on:** February 19, 2007, 04:37:29 PM »

Read this from the Brady Campaign myspace site. This could go in the RKBA forum but you bolt action guys should take notice. Its time for all of us gun owners to stand together. Its not just the scary looking black AR's and handguns they are after. Its now your bolt action "sniper rifle".

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=88508969&blogID=231968340&MyToken=d1792e6f-0ba9-4a7b-911b-092d58ca0988

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We should also give commendations to France because many years ago they designated any firearm capable of shooting military ammunition as a military arm, illegal to posess without a special permit and unlawful to use for hunting. The 223, 308, 7mm mauser, 30-06, and 6.5x55 have no place in the hunting fields of France. Firearms shooting these calibers are military weapons only designed for killing PEOPLE and should be kept out of the hands of the general population. Because they have no hunting purpose, there is no reason for civilians to own them.

Yes this is the real thing! As announced on the Brady Web site. Will it be enough to wake up the average Joe shooter to the real intentions of the Bradys and the Democrats?
www.bradycampaign.org/bradyreport/2007/february/mobilizing/index.php#story2

Slamfire · « **Reply #1 on:** February 19, 2007, 06:53:47 PM »

Yes they started this back when Billary was the Prez. Still there are some who've not heard about it.

jvs · « **Reply #2 on:** February 19, 2007, 09:09:16 PM »

I always figured it wouldn't be long before the Auto Loading Shotgun was called a Assault Weapon because of the gas operated action but a bolt action that is banned because it is a caliber for war is ridiculous. I hope they dont think that I fall for the idea that a 243, 257, 260, 270, 280, 35 rem and 22 Hornet isn't on their list somewhere too.

The anti's will always have an excuse to get what they want...... and that is your guns, no matter what they are. If it is propelled by gunpowder, it is on the list.

Mikey · « **Reply #3 on:** February 20, 2007, 12:48:31 AM »

Ya know, as with the Zumbo article where he provides that semi-autos have no place in the hunting field, these commies don't want Americans to own any type of firearm.

Hasn't it sunk it yet folks - democrats and gun control advocates are communists and nazis. Why can't people wake up. Their goal is a subjugated populace, taxed without representation.

I told ya'll more than once before - clean up your guns, store up your ammo and be prepared to repulse the cops from your doors. Actually, it would be better to issue a call to arms before they become too emboldened by their won stupidity and bring them to a standstill before they get rollin'.

However, some of the opinions I've read here posted by our own members gives me the indication I shouldn't hold my breath waiting for everyone else to get in line. JMHO. Mikey.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 20, 2007, 01:27:14 AM »

Mikey, we have guys on Graybeard that were saying the same thing about the 50 BMG. Yet not many of you spoke up and told them they were wrong. There was a select few of us that did. But those same guys that wanted to ban the 50 BMG and attacking Zumbo here on graybeard.

I have always said, we as hunter and gun owners need to watch what we say and how we act. We need to stick together even if we don't agree with what someone else does as long as it is legal.

Anytime someone that owns guns or hunts speaks out agents another hunter or gun owner, now becomes the poster boy for the Anti hunting and anti gun groups.

Believe me, I don't like Zumbo and now I know why I never liked him to began with. He is the new poster boy for the Anti's

Lawful Larry · « **Reply #5 on:** February 20, 2007, 02:54:22 AM »

All I can say is enjoy your guns while you can. They will win and there will be nothing you can do about it. I know it sounds like a defeatist attitude, but I have always dealt in realities.

The average American will not get involved unless you take away one of his ABC's (Airconditioning, Booze or Color TV). The American citizen lives in his own little world. Funny thing is this group of people make up a large majority of lethargic waste of good air. Sorry to sound like I want to make everyone so down, but reality sucks gang.

dogwhisperer5 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 20, 2007, 03:27:13 AM »

Boys...I have been watching this stuff since the day they shot John Kennedy and my thoughts are this...the average "gun owner" is a hunter/plinker that has no interest in the NRA or firearms legislation because it's always someone elses toys that are being threatened. As long as no one is after their pump shotgun, .22 bunny rifle, or .30/30 deer gun, they really don't care. That's why the NRA brought out the American Hunter magazine...to try to draw some "non enthusiasts" into the program and make them aware that their hunting guns were at risk. It hasn't worked to speak of. To be honest, I'm surprised that it has all lasted this long...especially handgun ownership. If the Dems take over the Whitehouse in '08......we'll be looking back on this time period as the "good old days" for sure! Get yourself "interested" in single-barrel break-open shotguns...they'll probably be the last to go!

azshooter · « **Reply #7 on:** February 20, 2007, 03:58:37 AM »

I have some better ideas for you who think it is over.

1) Take kids shooting. Get them interested in the sport. Too many times I am at the range and its full of 40+ year old guys and no teens. Get the next generation started.

2) Don't be a gun bigot - there are millions of AR and AK owners in this country. Probably one of the hottest markets there is. Many of these guys are urban and don't hunt. They are fellow gun owners, - welcome them. Offer to let them shoot your muzzleloader, etc.

3) Talk to your fellow hunters/shooters - don't accept their position that its ok to sacrifice one type of gun for now. You know next year the BRady's will be back for yours. Don't put up with sellouts. Show them what the Brady's and Dims are really up to.

beemanbeme · « **Reply #8 on:** February 20, 2007, 04:47:11 AM »

We've pretty well surrendered state's rights with the feel good terrorist legislation so we're in a position now of someone like Fat Rosie saying, "duh, guns do be bad" and the cliff dwellers in NYC taking that as absolute fact. Then the anti's have a power base of 13+ million people if it ever goes to a national referendum.

nomosendero · « **Reply #9 on:** February 20, 2007, 07:24:29 AM »

It is good to see they included 30-30 & 6.5X55 in their report in case some dufus doesn't understand yet that they are after all guns.
Bans like those for assualt rifles & 50 cals are only steps as any knot head can see. Too bad that some hunters are willing to help with
ANY of the above!

NONYA · « **Reply #10 on:** February 20, 2007, 09:53:16 AM »

heres another entertaining piece of artwork enspired by Dumbo gate

Aardvark · « **Reply #11 on:** February 20, 2007, 10:18:18 AM »

Let me see if my take on amendment 2 is correct...We have the right to keep and bear arms to form a militia...Right?
Well if we can be a militia, can we not have snipers in our militia like any other army would?
And if we have a militia, doesn't that warrant having armor piercing round to defend ourselves in any given situation that a militia might be needed for?
Let's face it, we probably never will need a militia but we do need to be armed and TRAINED in order to be able to function as one should the need arise...
I do my training at my local gun range where I can practice at any range from 50yd to 600 yds.
The amendment 2 was not drafted so we could hunt animals.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Being a well regulated militia is my point here...

Main Entry: reg·u·late
Pronunciation: 're-gy&-"lAt also 'rA-
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -lat·ed; -lat·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin regulatus, past participle of regulare, from Latin regula rule
1 a : to govern or direct according to rule b (1) : to bring under the control of law or constituted authority (2) : to make regulations for or concerning <regulate the industries of a country>
2 : to bring order, method, or uniformity to <regulate one's habits>
3 : to fix or adjust the time, amount, degree, or rate of <regulate the pressure of a tire>

So who gets to "REGULATE" the militia of a free state?

NONYA · « **Reply #12 on:** February 20, 2007, 10:31:17 AM »

The second amendment was drafted to insure our right to defend ourselves,hunting with certian types of firearms wasnt an issue when it was drafted,there was only one type of firearm,the states have taken over regulation of firearms used for hunting and up until recently there wasnt a need for them to regulate anything but a min. caliber,i have never seen a proposition to regulate the style of firearm used in hunting in my state,only min and max caliber.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 20, 2007, 01:56:21 PM »

I predicted the "sniper rifle" ban on another thread on here. After that it will be the "riot gun" ban.

Together we stand divided we fall.

Slamfire · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2007, 04:00:44 PM »

If you can find an english teacher willin' to parse the second amendment you'll find the subject is the people, and their rights, The predicate is shall not be infringed, the part about the militia is a subordinate clause. In other words, the rights of the people to keep and bear arms is NOT based on the need for a militia, that's only a reason that should be apparent to everyone. .

billy_56081 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 20, 2007, 04:21:17 PM »

Chip, Chip, Chip away. First its "assault weapons" then ".50 cal.s", then "sniper rifles" then "riot guns" then "saturday night specials". Pretty soon who's left? Pretty soon there are no gun owners. Pretty soon there is no 2nd amendment. Then goes our freedom. If you are for banning any of these weapons you are a ally of the anti gunners weather you want to admit it or not! You are what Stalin used to refer to as useful fools. Do not let your preferences in hunting or shooting tools blind you to what the gun banners are doing. Do not be thier useful fool by unknowinly to you allying yourself with them. There are some here on this sight that are unknowingly allying themselves with the anti's. I don't know if its an underlying lack of knowledge or plain hypocrysy. But we ALL need to stand as one. The anti's are patient. They don't mind chip, chip, chipping away at our freedom. Please stand as one or we will be no more.

UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL

NONYA · « **Reply #16 on:** February 20, 2007, 08:19:33 PM »

Restricting max rifle caliber in hunting regs is NOT a 2nd amendment issue,no matter what spin you put on it.The 2nd amendment insures our right to own .50 bmgs,it does nothing to insure the right to hunt elk with one.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 21, 2007, 01:30:55 AM »

billy_56081

Some people just don't get it. They are going through life with blinders on, and only see it one way. They don't take off the blinders in order to see the big picture.

Mikey · « **Reply #18 on:** February 21, 2007, 02:07:19 AM »

Hey - just wait until they start calling your Bow and Arrow a 'Silent Assault Sniper System'. Didn't you folks know that a broadhead can penetrate body armor.

Do ya know what that is liable to do to our Native Americans who practice their old crafts - they will probably have to be licensed and pay a tax on every arrow they make. Oh yeah, don't forget the natural resource tax for every Flint or Obsidian arrow head they make. Geez, what's next, peashooters? Mikey.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 21, 2007, 02:32:10 AM »

Mikey, you may be closer to the truth than you know.
But some guys won't stand up to help and support there fellow hunter or shooter until it is there gun that the anti's are after. Then it will be to late.

jro45 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 21, 2007, 07:50:33 AM »

I know that the 22-250 used to be a sniper rifle and the 300 is a sniper rifle and the 338 is a sniper rifle. These are hunting rifles. I don't really know what the Democrates are tring to do unless they want all the rifles made.

jro45 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 21, 2007, 08:52:25 AM »

I know that it's not the rifle but the person pulling the trigger that kills. All the rifles in the world aren't hurting anybody Its those sickies that hurt the people with the rifles. So I guess the Brady people are saying that every one is sick in the head.

The armed forces aren't included its there job to kill the enemy.

MI VHNTR · « **Reply #22 on:** February 21, 2007, 11:02:17 AM »

Quote from: NONYA on February 20, 2007, 08:19:33 PM

Restricting max rifle caliber in hunting regs is NOT a 2nd amendment issue,no matter what spin you put on it.The 2nd amendment insures our right to own .50 bmgs,it does nothing to insure the right to hunt elk with one.

Who are YOU to determine what caliber should used for hunting? Jim Zumbo? This is twisted thinking, plain and simple. It sounds like the gun owners are about to get zumBONED again. You can poke fun at dumbo zumbo all you want, but your ideas are in the same line of thinking as that brady poster child. Divide and conquer. NRA Endowment Member MI VHNTR

Edited to add NRA affiliation.

MI VHNTR · « **Reply #23 on:** February 21, 2007, 11:06:10 AM »

Double tap.

eroyd · « **Reply #24 on:** February 21, 2007, 11:55:40 AM »

Brady's Bunch on one site told an individual he looked like a pedefile. I didn't have to read any further than that to know what kind of people they are.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 21, 2007, 12:37:30 PM »

If you ban a certain type of firearm for hunting. Will It not play into the anti's hand by allowing them to say they are "unsutable for sporting purposes"? I think that line has been used by them before. Chip Chip Chipping away.

NONYA · « **Reply #26 on:** February 21, 2007, 12:52:15 PM »

There are already plenty of rifles RESTRICTED from big game hunting,like the 22lr,17 hmr,ect ect,I dont see this having any impact on ANYONES right to own them,you use the big BAN word to make a hunting reg sound evil,there is nothing wrong with having restrictions on the calibers hunted with when somthing like the 50 bmg enters the field.Trying to turn a hunting reg into a 2nd amendment issue will get you nowhere,by your thinking the 22lr has been "banned" for years now,everyone still owns one or more and it didnt fuel the antis attempts to take guns away,your theroy of a hunting reg helping the antis is a FARCE.How many of you are going to show up in Id or MT when the F&G holds thier public input meeting on this issue,none of you,and you know it.If you really want to make a difference do what you can to get republicans to vote,it has been proven that the anti/dem voting pool turns out a higher percentage every year.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 21, 2007, 01:04:39 PM »

I don't see how the restiction on a 22lr or 17 for elk hunting can help the Anti's. What are they going to tell the public? "these weapons were not powerful enough for hunting purposes" I'm no propaganda expert but I know for sure thar would be a PR failure. Now "even hunters say the .50 is too powerful"? I think that line would ring well with the anti's. Not an inch, not one.

NONYA · « **Reply #28 on:** February 21, 2007, 01:52:29 PM »

There are plenty of hunters who do believe the .50 bmg isnt a hunting round,does that make them anti hunters or gun grabbers?They will twist facts and misrepresent any regulation there is to further thier cause.Having an anything goes attitude towards hunting regs because the antis might try to use the regs in thier propaganda isnt going to fly with me.They will find "experts" to back thier play regardless of what they want to "prove".Im not willing to cowtow to them by playing the anything goes ticket,we need regulation in hunting and its not going to take guns away from people,a senate and congress full of dems is.

dukkillr · « **Reply #29 on:** February 21, 2007, 02:24:28 PM »

No .17 rimfire for elk? YOU MUST BE A CARD CARRYING LIBERAL LOVING ANTIGUNNING BRANDY BUNCH MEMBERING FAIRY!

BTW, we need to stick together as hunters and rather than have an adult discussion that showed respect for your decision I'm going to alienate you with simplistic sound bites and petty insults. That should keep us together, and gain respect for my opinion.