X bullet or Core-loct?

[Redhawk1]

Sure looks like all the petals have sheared off at the higher velocities. The author states that the Barnes wound channels were smaller. Looking at the recovered bullet, I can see why. Funny thing, the deepest penetrating Barnes was not going 3000 fps, it was 2700, or 300 fps slower.

What ever, it is obvious you feel you need to win this disagreement. So what ever you say must be right. I am done with this thread.   :roll:

If you need advice Ramrod is your guy, he has all the answers.  :-D  :-D  :-D

[Brithunter]

Hi All,

    May I suggest that you take a look at a nice book which is called :-

"The Perfect Shot" from safari press.

     You beloved extreme penetration can and very possibly will drop in the deep Doo-Doo in some African hunting situations :lol:

     And now can you possibly explain as to how the .416 rigby, the .256 Mannlicher (both the 6.5x53R & 6.5x54MS) 450 NE have all got such a wonderful reputation for deep penetration yet they are have a velocity of about 2300-2400  fps. Not your hyper velocity not anywhere near it but they work and have worked for over 100 years :shock:

   Sure you can create a bigger boom and watch the barrle climb higher in recoil, and for those who can actually handle this may actually put the bullet in the right place :wink:  however don't discount the old ones as they were doing it before the slick salesman came only for California. So far the weatherby's I have handled and shot have left me less than impressed, mediocre accuracy (no matter who shot it) and thta wa sonly a .257 weatherby. I only handled the 460 weahterby and din't like the feel of it but watched others shoot and the accuracy was pretty poor, also I had been shooting my .458 Win Mag from the prone position (range rules) and the shoulder was slightly tended already  :oops:

   As for Barnes bullets, well I have never tried them and I seriously doubt that I will either, they are not required for the hunting I do, have a reputation for being finiky in loading for accuracy and cost far too much for me to be able to do a decent load evelopment and come to think of it I don't know anywhere that stocks them or even who or if they are imported here :eek:  Nosler Partitions yes I know where I can get them but agian the cost is a major factor for instance a box of 50 .308 165 Grn partitions costs $57:24 and means about a 325 mile round trip to get them. Postal orders is not an option here  :roll: .

   You like your Weatherbys .............. well good for you, but just remember that if you do make it to Africa and you are about to shoot that trophy ............... check real good what is behind because if or when your bullet sails through it's very likely to hit another beast and then you could be in that deep............. deep Doo-Doo :wink:

[victorcharlie]

What ever, it is obvious you feel you need to win this disagreement. So what ever you say must be right. I am done with this thread.   :roll:

If you need advice Ramrod is your guy, he has all the answers.  :-D  :-D  :-D[/quote]

Now fellows.......both of ya go to your rooms!  

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[Lawdog]

Bullets ain't arrows. Faster bullets expand more, and penetrate less.
jerkface11 wins the Cupie Doll with his last post.

Ramrod,

Sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong.  'jerkface11' never even got out of the starting blocks.  The Barnes bullets are not your normal bullet and trying to compare them to standard bullets doesn't work.  But seeing that you have personally done exhaustive comparisons between Barnes bullets and other so called “standard” bullets, the rest of us must bow to your extensive knowledge and experience.  This thread is yours Sir.  Lawdog
 

[victorcharlie]

Several articles I've read give the Barnes high marks for penetration........however, with a smaller wound channel........
 
Very entertaining post........that's what the forums for.....entertainment I suppose........
 
 

[jerkface11]

Victor the last time i said the petals come off X-bullets someone in the forum attacked me. I hope they show you more respect.

[Zachary]

Let me jump in and provide all of you with some interesting information about the Barnes X.  Keep in mind that I have used the X bullet in the .30-06, .300 Win Mag, and .338 Win Mag for many years.

As for the X Bullet.  I have used a 165X in my .30-06 and shot a doe at 50 yards.  The petals not only expanded, but at least 2 broke off.  I never recovered this bullet, so you may ask how I know that at least 2 petals broke off.  Well, I'll tell you.  Despite the fact that I shot the doe only ONCE, there were THREE holes in the deer!  Yes, THREE.  The petals broke off with such great force that they in turn FULLY penetrated the animal.  I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this.  In fact, the smaller holes from the petals were (to the best of my recollection) about a foot apart.  The poor deer's shoulder was just jelly.

With my .300 Win Mag, I used 180 X and shot a 250 pound hog also at 50 yards.  I shot the Hog three times.  It was down on the first shot, kicking it's legs, but I have seen dead hogs come back to life, so I shot it 2 more times just in case.  In any event, when we cleaned the hog, my father recovered one of the bullets.  On that particular shot, I was in a box blind about 6 feet above the ground.  A feeder was down a hill about 50 yards in front of me and about another 15 or 20 feet down, so in total the hog was 50 yards in front of me, and at an angle of about 20 to 25 feet down.  I should also say that the hog was generally facing me, with his head and body slightly pointing towards his left, my right.  I aimed right at the top of the base of his neck, meaning that the bullet would pass through his left shoulder/grisle plate.  Well, when we recovered that bullet, NONE of the petals broke off.  In fact, it looked almost like a perfect mushroom, just more "sqooshed."  I was surprised that the petals did not break off.  I haven't checked the velocities, but I would imagine that a 180 grain bullet out of a .300 Win Mag should still be traveling faster at 50 yards than a lighter weight 165 grain bullet from a .30-06.  So then why did the 165 have it's petals broken off at a lower velocity, and why did the 180 X become sqooshed at faster velocity?  

If there is one consistent thing that I hear over and over from X-Bullet shooters is that the X Bullet performs INconsistently.  I can certainly vouch for that.  I must say that I hardly recover X bullets from animals, but when I do, you never know what to expect.   The same goes for X-Bullet accuracy - they are accurate in some guns, and some people say just plain horrible in others.  Then again, that's another subject.  I have yet to shoot the new Barnes TSX on an animal, so I can't provide any relevant experience.

Zachary

[victorcharlie]

Jerkface 11.........it's the internet.........it's a spirited debate..........don't take it personally.........the premium versus standard bullet has been debated to death in several other posts..........The barnes bullet company has it's share of loyal users.........
 
I'm really surprised to see this post take the turn it has.........to much coffee maybe?
 
The way I see it..........It's just personal preference.............
 
I've never shot a barnes bullet.....probably never will..........but there is lots of information available........From what I read, the barnes out penetrates the corelot by about twice......It's a very tough bullet.....but, penetration isn't everything........and a solid or hard cast will penetrate deeply at a fraction of the cost.......
 
When any bullet hits an object with tissue as adverse as a bear, hog, or even a deer it's very, very hard to say what's going to happen............Terminal ballistics is a subject that still gets a lot  of arguments going even among experts.
 
So........if someone wants to spend the money on a Premium bullet......then that's their business..........and if I use the corelots then that's my business........
 
Lead round balls have killed plenty and still do.........anything else is extra........
 

While I'd like to think I'll be hunting Kodiack bears........It's not in the near future.......darn it.......didn't hit the lottery last night........but if I did, and I wound such a nasty tempered creature.........I'm going in with something that has a caliber starting with a 4............