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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #120 on: September 10, 2008, 01:52:27 AM »
I bought a Remington 870 Express Magnum when "Big Green" first introduced the model.  I selected it over the Wingmaster variant because the INTENDED use was turkey and waterfowl hunting.  Cost wasn't a major factor in the decision to buy.

It was "right," right out of the box.  The action functioned smoothly.  The trigger feel was more than acceptable (and yes, I think that a good trigger is good to have on a shotgun)  Fit an finish left nothing to complain about.

Still, it didn't really see much use until about ten years ago, when I started shooting sporting clays back in 1998.  Since then, it has had literally tens of thousands of rounds through it.  In that time, I only had one failure to feed......  This was an ammo problem, however, and NOT a gun problem.

I don't shoot sporting clays competitively in the strict sense of the word, but I do shoot with some competitive friends who continue to make fun of my "farmer gun" and suggest that I get a Beretta Urika or something more suitable, in spite of the fact that I get along fine with the 870.  Once, while shooting a station with my regular squad, a fellow in another squad waiting to shoot the station pointed out that "you can't shoot true pairs with a pump gun."  I proceeded to do "the impossible" and smoked 'em both.  When I miss, it ain't because of the gun.  Its operator error, pure and simple, but with this gun, such errors are blissfully infrequent.

The longer I own it, the more I like it.  I thought it was a sweet swinging gun when new, but the addition of a "Light Contour" Wingmaster barrel, bead-blasted and matte blued to match the receiver, made it even sweeter.  I ditched the boat oar woodwork for a Wingmaster stock set at some point, and ditched that for the laminated wood butt and fore end from my wife's Express.  I absolutely could not be happier with this gun and even with the volume of ammo that I've shot in it, it appears to have a whole lot of life left in it.

Back in the early to mid 80s, I jumped on the .280 Mountain Rifle bandwagon.  Everybody else seemed to rave about theirs.  Mine was a dog.  I couldn't make it group better than 2 1/2" no matter what I tried, and it wouldn't do that on a repeatable basis. I wasn't very impressed, and went back to using my ancient Griffin and Howe Springfield (which was destroyed in a fire, or it would still be my main hunting rifle).

My wife bought an 870 Express a couple of years ago, based on her experience shooting mine.  She got a real POS.  It was very rough-feeling in cycling the action and is in fact so bad that the slide "hangs up" often, making second shots pretty much out of the question.  The trigger feel is downright terrible.  The barrel seemed to be incorrectly threaded for the choke tubes and patterning the gun proved that something is definitely amiss.  It went back to Remington and they returned it without finding anything wrong, but curiously, it didn't come back with the same barrel it sported when we shipped it to them.  The ribs were different between the two, and the one it wears now is correctly threaded and patterns well.  The thing still doesn't cycle correctly.  If I drop her plastic trigger group out and put my alloy one in, her gun functions fine enough.  With her trigger group in my gun, my gun dosen't cycle correctly.  The plastic trigger group is a loose fit in both receivers and I think that this causes some kind of issue with the slide release, which seems to be the root of the "hang up."  As it came from Remington, my wife's 870 Express is just a miserable thing to shoot.

An alloy trigger group from a Wingmaster would, I think, cure what ails my wife's gun, but she's pretty much lost interest in it and doesn't want to sink any money into it.  She's saving her pennies for a Merkel.  More power to her, says I........

Out of the three Remingtons I've had in my household, one is fantastic and highly cherished and I wouldn't part with it for anything.  It is so smooth, it practically loads itself, and it was like that from the start.  It fits me perfectly now with the laminated stock set off my wife's gun, just as if it were custom made.  I can't praise the thing enough.  It is light enough for an all-day upland trek, but swings smoothly enough to run straights on the skeet field.  It is one of my all-time favorites in spite of its homely looks and uncool, unfashionable pump action operation.  The other two, however, were duds.

I don't forsee buying another Remington-branded firearm, but not because of their 1 in 3 track record in my household.  In fairness to Remington, I've had a bigger string of disappointments from Ruger than anyone else, and I've had bloopers from Browning (A-Bolts), CZ(452-2E and 550), and Interarms(Withworth Mausers), too.

Remington simply dosen't make anything with their brand name on it that I can't live without.  If they still made their 332 O/U shotgun, it would be a different story and I'd be buying one.

I recently sold a CZ 550 to make room for the purchase of another Handi-Rifle to compliment the .223 that I already own, so I guess I'll be buying another "Remington," after all.

-JP

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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #121 on: September 12, 2008, 04:58:28 PM »
I'm a life long Remington fan . I just picked up my new 700 BDL in 7mm rem mag  today and cant wait to hunt with it. The fit finish is excellent , bolt pulls smooth trigger crips consedering its factory.
I also bought a 700CDL on 30-06 last year , which is a beautiful classic looking rifle. I have an early 1970's 1100 12ga that's been flawless , an 870 and a old 742 on 30-06 which is good shooter.

You cant go wrong with Remington.
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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #122 on: September 12, 2008, 09:51:48 PM »
I'm a life long Remington fan . I just picked up my new 700 BDL in 7mm rem mag  today and cant wait to hunt with it. The fit finish is excellent , bolt pulls smooth trigger crips consedering its factory.
I also bought a 700CDL on 30-06 last year , which is a beautiful classic looking rifle. I have an early 1970's 1100 12ga that's been flawless , an 870 and a old 742 on 30-06 which is good shooter.

You cant go wrong with Remington.

So what your saying is that JPShelton is lieing and the two Remington's that he brought were not really junk and that he doesn't know what he is talking about after all you have just said:--


You cant go wrong with Remington.

Clearly you can go wrong as happened in this case. Loyalty is good but blind loyalty is just plain stupid.

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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #123 on: September 13, 2008, 06:11:30 AM »
I'm a life long Remington fan . I just picked up my new 700 BDL in 7mm rem mag  today and cant wait to hunt with it. The fit finish is excellent , bolt pulls smooth trigger crips consedering its factory.
I also bought a 700CDL on 30-06 last year , which is a beautiful classic looking rifle. I have an early 1970's 1100 12ga that's been flawless , an 870 and a old 742 on 30-06 which is good shooter.

You cant go wrong with Remington.

So what your saying is that JPShelton is lieing and the two Remington's that he brought were not really junk and that he doesn't know what he is talking about after all you have just said:--


You cant go wrong with Remington.

Clearly you can go wrong as happened in this case. Loyalty is good but blind loyalty is just plain stupid.


Hey Brit ,
First off ,I gave my  opinion with the experiences I have had with my guns.
I didnt even read JPShelton's post prior to posting mine.
I never stated or insinuated that  JPShelton is lieing and have no reason to believe so , especially since I didnt read his post prior to posting mine.
I am sure JPShelton statements are true and his input is appreciated.
So dont accuse me of saying  JPShelton is lieing !
As for Brand Loyalty ...I happen to own many other rifles of different makes.
I've had good luck with my Remingtons so yes , I am loyal until I get a bad one.

Hope this clears up any miss understanding you may have , cheers.
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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #124 on: September 13, 2008, 10:30:43 AM »
Ahhh Robert,

      Is it not strange that you post without reading the previous post, if a new post happens whilst your composing yours then a notification come up when you try to post, as for what I said I stand by it. Your comment that :-

You cant go wrong with Remington.

  Is clearly now true as is shown by several posts in this thread an infers that anyone who say different is not tellign the truth.

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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #125 on: September 14, 2008, 05:32:54 PM »
*sigh* Why is Brit usually in the middle of these mud slinging posts?  ::)

Because a member got a new Remmy and is pleased with his purchase and types "You cant go wrong with Remington", you felt the need(be it from sheer boredom or that cocky attitude you posess) to try and start something.

Brit, why do you assume he saw the notice a post was made and read what the post said? He surely doesn't have to read it. I have often wondered about your age for this exact reason. You just love to try and get under someones skin. What did your reply accomplish? Do you think it will hurt Remington sales? Do you think you will change the minds of those who are loyal, blind or open-eyed? It changes nothing so why do you waste your time?

And your 2nd reply???? After Robert responds to you(he shouldn't have bothered, he doesn't have to justify himself to you, noone does for that matter) and plainly says he wasn't insinuating JP was a liar...you were backed into a corner and had to reply with what is a very weak attempt at saving face. Your crap may not stink elsewhere around GB but I know your type. I won't stand by and watch you belittle other members like you have done frequently over the years.

If Bill has a problem with my response to you, he can remove my Mod status. I'd rather that happen than sit by and watch you try and intimidate others and get away with it. I can't even count the amount of times people have had run ins with you, it's getting really really old man.

On that note, Hope everyone had a good weekend!

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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #126 on: September 15, 2008, 12:24:57 AM »
Oh dear sorry I forgot that no one must ever .............................. ever say anything bad about Remington  :o trouble is I didn't say anything bad about Remington ;) It's the blind faithful claiming that Remington never is wrong and cannot produce rubbish. The poster right before told of three Remingtons, one good so he brought two that have made them decide that Remington is not worth the risk ever again.

All the time you sniperVLS  and other refuse to admit that Remingtons quality has dropped, well Remington has no reason to improve with all the blind loyal defenders and eventually it will go the same way Winchester did and that will be a crying shame. A once great gun maker folding is akin to a crime and should not be allowed to happen. However I would rather let it happen than see a constant stream of medicore guns roll off the line.

I recently saw the new Russian made Remington O/U shotgun offered in a competition and laughed out loud at the price they claimed it's worth. You see I have an old original Baikal Model I brougth used for Wildfolwing as my old English SxS is not suitable for non toxic shot being made prior to WW2 and having 2 1/2" chambers. The Baikal with it's chrome line barrels and 2 3/4" chambers does fine and it a very good working gun however even new they are 1/3 of the price that Remington want for the same gun but with the Remington name on. Now is that a rip off or not?

I have yet to see one of the Russian made Remington rifles  ??? perhaps I will get the chance when I go down to North london to pick up a Parker-Hale Midland rifle as Joe might stock them although looking at his web site he only lists the Rem 700's. He is one of the few dealers I know personally who sells Remington rifles and is not local. It's a 3 hour drive at least down there from home and I cannot make it down for a few weeks so he might have updated his stock by them.

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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #127 on: September 15, 2008, 04:33:05 AM »
"refuse to admit that Remingtons quality has dropped"

I'd say it's improved.  They offer a huge variety of great rifles, in the best calibers.  They are MOA or better rifles.  They produce the best shotgun in the world.  What else could anyone ask for?

In a recent national random survey, 47% of the deer hunters polled said Remington was the best firearm for the task.  No other company had even 1/2 that number of votes.  Many well known brands, weren't even named as suitable for the task by these same hunters.

You can't go wrong with a Remington.
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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #128 on: September 15, 2008, 05:33:17 AM »
Ya just can't go wrong with 'em!!

I know because today I have my good glasses on, no blind followers here!!


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« Reply #129 on: September 15, 2008, 06:18:47 AM »
*sigh* Why is Brit usually in the middle of these mud slinging posts?  ::)

Yeah Brit, why do you always have to go around like you're sucking on a lemon? :D Talk about taking the wind out of a happy guy's sails. On that note, here is my Remington story:

I grew up on Remington shotguns and I've never had a bad word for them. However, something had turned me against the Remington rifles and I could never see myself owning one - especially a model 700. I guess I was stuck on Winchesters. Yet, with so many people always signing their praise of the 700, the idea of at least trying one was always in the back of my mind.

So a few months ago and after around 30 years of contemplation, I found a deal on a model 700 that I just couldn't pass on. The deal was for a brand new model 700 CDL in 35 Whelen that was selling for $469.00 plus $20.00 Shipping (most dealers were selling the same rifle for $750 - $800). I see some other members of the forum also found the same deal. I suspect that the deciding factor was the looks of that classic stock with the straight comb and the satin finish. Plus, I had always wanted a 35 Whelen and figured this was a perfect opportunity to get one.

All I can say is that I'm now a big fan of Remington rifles. The fit and finish on my CDL is nearly perfect. The action is smooth, and the trigger is even pretty good right out of the box. I mounted a Burris 3 X 9 FFII scope on it and headed to the range. I've only shot it a few times now and although I intend to eventually reload for this caliber and work up some good loads, the rifle already shoots at least 1 inch groups at 100 yards using the cheapo Remington, 200g, standard core-lokts. To me the rifle is very aesthetically pleasing and it shoots like a champ. For the price I paid, it has to be one of the best, most satisfying, gun deals that I've ever made. And darn it, my new CDL has got me hooked on Remingtons to the point that I'm thinking about getting one of the BDLs with the monte carlo stock in a short action caliber and I'd be willing to pay the regular price too.

From my experience, I would indeed say:

You can't go wrong with Remington!




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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #130 on: September 15, 2008, 06:26:56 AM »
Man!  That is a great deal.  I just bought the stock off of a new 700CDL .35 Whelen.  I paid $150.00 for just the stock.
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« Reply #131 on: September 15, 2008, 07:15:22 AM »
Man!  That is a great deal. I just bought the stock off of a new 700CDL .35 Whelen.  I paid $150.00 for just the stock.

I know Swampman, I thought there must be something wrong with it at first, but then after a little searching it appeared that Remington discontinued the 35 Whelen again, and I also noticed that a few other volume dealers where selling theirs at a big savings, so i guessed that it must have been a close out thing and I snagged it up. Really happy I did too. I really like it.

Edit: By the way, I bought it from Sportsman's Safari from Georgia. Great people to work with.
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« Reply #132 on: September 15, 2008, 07:46:54 AM »
I bought my stock from them too. ;D
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« Reply #133 on: September 15, 2008, 07:56:56 AM »
I bought my stock from them too. ;D
What a coincidence! ;D See, it just proves that great minds think together.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #134 on: September 15, 2008, 08:37:07 AM »
"refuse to admit that Remingtons quality has dropped"

I'd say it's improved.  They offer a huge variety of great rifles, in the best calibers.  They are MOA or better rifles.  They produce the best shotgun in the world.  What else could anyone ask for?

In a recent national random survey, 47% of the deer hunters polled said Remington was the best firearm for the task.  No other company had even 1/2 that number of votes.  Many well known brands, weren't even named as suitable for the task by these same hunters.

You can't go wrong with a Remington.



Sorry to tell you but polls can be fixed. It's quite easy just choose your selection to ask carefully then disregard those that don't fit your aim. Politions do it all the time.

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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #135 on: September 15, 2008, 08:44:22 AM »
"polls can be fixed."

But stupid can't be.
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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #136 on: September 16, 2008, 12:17:41 AM »
Ahhh we agree that your a hopeless case  ;D

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« Reply #137 on: November 16, 2008, 01:48:14 PM »
Must say that I don't mind the relabeled imports and can state my problem with Remington in one word:Cerebrus
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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #138 on: November 17, 2008, 06:04:40 PM »
The question is so broad its tough to really answer.  The 870 has never been beaten in the eyes of many, I carry an OU.  I compete using Rem 700s (other than one custom) and hunt with a Weatherby.

A more pointed question would be easier to answer, but Remington has a great history and builds some great guns (and a few flops).  Today, they are victims of the times - meaning quality sometimes takes a back seat to production schedules and costs.  And we can't forget the ever present fear of some bozo who screwed up and wants to sue anyone for his mistake!  Course these folks can easily find a shady lawyer for the task....

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« Reply #139 on: January 15, 2009, 05:02:27 AM »
I own a variety of rifles from Remingtons to custom Mausers to TC Encores.  My best shooting rifles out of the box are all Remingtons.  The 70VSSF consistently shoots 1/4 to 1/2 inch groups.  None of my BDLs shoot more than 1" groups.  I have a SPS tactical on the way and hope it arrives today.  Hopefully it shoots as well as the others.  If I could only keep one rifle it would be a Remington. 

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« Reply #140 on: February 07, 2009, 06:13:27 AM »
Who or where is the great REMINGTON custom shop( preferably not factory ) if you wanted to change barrels , etc . have a muzzel brake installed , cut and recrowned  . . .
I would appreciate any responce .
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« Reply #141 on: March 06, 2009, 11:24:38 AM »
This is probably an emotional response rather than anything else. I started going to "hunting camp" when I was about 12 years old. I did a lot around camp, washed dishes, cut firewood, etc. I would also go out on stand with my uncles...they all had Browning's at that time. When I turned 16 years old in 1968, my dad bought me a Remington 1100 12Ga. brand new. I still have the receipt somewhere...I think he paid about $140 for it at the time. I treasured that gun. Over the years it took numerous deer with it's 28 inch barrel and bead, it spent a little time at the bottom of a river when my buddy and I decided to duck hunt from a canoe (I won't talk any more about that!), and it took more rabbits and grouse than I can count. Today, that gun is still in my gun safe, looking almost as good as the day it was given to me. Still shoots without missing a beat, and has never been to a gunsmith or had any component replaced. It is the easiest gun in the world to clean. It will be passed down to my son when I'm done with it. A few years ago I bought another 1100 with a rifled deer barrel and scope because my eyesight warranted the use of a scope. I didn't want to put another barrel or in any way modify the gun my father bought for me forty years ago...again an emotional decision, but I want to pass it on exactly as I got it.
Soooo...as a result, I am definitely a Remington fan. I don't have any centerfire rifles, so I can't speak to that end of the business. But for a shotgun, I will always look first to Remington.
Thanks for listening.

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« Reply #142 on: March 06, 2009, 11:39:04 AM »
DaveK55,

Welcome to the forum and thanks for the good Remington story. I've had 1100s throughout my life and have never been able to find anything to complain about.
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« Reply #143 on: March 07, 2009, 06:50:41 AM »
Welcome to the community Dave and Thanks for posting that "emotional response"  :)

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« Reply #144 on: October 16, 2009, 02:20:22 PM »
Having read all of the posts in this thread, the writers paint an interesting picture.   I am now going to throw in my two bits  ;D

In truth, I am not the best to talk about ANY factory rifle/firearm as I have only bought a handfull that are/were box stock when purchased.  Part because my father is a Gunsmith and we like to tinker with the tools and because I have bought quite a few on the used market.

I do own 4 Remington rifles: 700 Classic in 221 Rem Fireball, 660 Custom in 7-08, a #5 Roller in 7mm Mauser (for sale) and a New York Roller converted to 40-65 for BPCR.  I also own an 1100, an XP100 in 221 and have an 870 on lay-away right now ::).  The only one of the lot that was bought BRAND NEW was the 700.  It would polish the back of the brass, but gave me 0.375" groups at 100 yards with a Cheap Simmons Scope.  Later it turned out that the broken extractor was making up for no relief cut in the bolt.  Sent it back to Rem. and they replaced the bolt free of charge.  By the way, this rifle is still super accurate.

None of the others have had any major isiues, but they were either used or custom builds.  I also own Kimber, Anshultz, Rossi, Browning, Winchester, Mauser and Baretta long guns and have had good sucess with them too.


You can ask what I hunt with, and it just depends on my mood and what game we are after.  They all do the job, it is just that some are better than others.

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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #145 on: October 17, 2009, 03:21:25 AM »
Hmmm the Remington 1100 interested me but I ended up with a Mossberg Slugster instead. Financial decision  ::) the slugster is long gone due to stupid restrictions it being an 8 shot mag and I didn't have a multi shotgun for many years. That lack was addressed early last year when I acquired (for a song) a Browning Auto Five 12G from someone in the club.

It's not as smooth to shoot as the Rem 1100 due to the long recoil operation and yes I have shot the 1100's before along with Winchester 1400, Berretta 302, Breda (unsure of model but it looked like the Berretta 302) and a Franchi Hunter. The Rem 1100 was very good but for some reason I have always hankered after a Hump back Browning  ??? and really don't know why.

Meanwhile a couple of American friends have just purchased Remington 700 Classics in 8mm Mauser, one who has already recieved his and shot it and achieving 5 shot grouping of just around an 1" at 100 yards with 180 grain bullets. The other is still awaiting delivery as I understand it takes longer due his living in the wilds of the North.

 The Classic is certainly their better looking rifle to me anyway  ;) and if .............. if I was to consider a newer Remington rifle that would be the one. However I would still much prefer the older Model 30, 721 or 725  ;) perhaps one day I will come across one in the right condition at the right time and price ........................... one can only hope  8)

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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #146 on: November 02, 2009, 03:46:47 PM »
Do the Remmy 700 BDL`s still have a metal floorplate and trigger gaurd? I love the CDL`s, but I hate the R3 recoil pad immensely, so I am leading to the BDL. I miss my late 80`s .270 BDL !! I hope they are still made as fine as that one was 20 years ago. The CDL`s I looked at about a year ago were sloppy. The wood, the fit and finish were sloppy. The BDL`s I looked at had bad blueing on the barrels and still had blueing slats on them. I hope they have fixed all of these problems. I meen, these guns are very expensive these days.

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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #147 on: November 02, 2009, 03:52:03 PM »
I believe the BDL has the R3 pad too.  I love them.  I've never seen a Remington with bad fit or finish.
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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #148 on: November 03, 2009, 03:12:29 AM »
Beleive me, I didn`t want to see that bad fit and finish either, because all of the 700`s I`ve ever own were tack drivers out of the box :) I remember the BDL`s having the hard butt plate, but they may have changed that? I prefer no recoil pad or just a thin one. My favorite being a metal butt plate like on my muzzleloaders and military guns.

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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #149 on: November 21, 2009, 11:07:36 PM »
I'm not a rifle expert but I'll say this, I've had two 870's and two 700's

the shotguns were good (I'm just not a bird-hunter and now that I handload I don't need a shotgun for power), so they're gone but with good memories.  my first 700 was in 300 win mag and the recoil was fierce (really long barrel, synthetic stock, not a bull barrel) and I couldn't shoot well at all standing, heck I'd usually miss shooting from the prone (my arms would bounce) but in a rest that thing would put holes over holes again and again, cold bore, hot bore, sore shoulder or not, whatever.  this is with crap-load cheap factory stuff too.  I bought that thing used with a used scope attached to it, I slightly changed the zero and that's that, it worked great.... but I got rid of it to finance a .308 VTR, when they first came out and I've never put it in a vice to fire it because I haven't had to, it puts holes on holes shooting off the bipods on a table or sitting "indian style" or prone w/o bipods used,.... anyways it shoots as good or better but I am not sure because with the lightened recoil it's just so easy to overlap holes

also, if you have a favorite stand-by caliber and it's not nasty, try a nasty one once in awhile, it'll make you appreciate your pet-loads more
(like me shooting .308 from a seven or eight pounder instead of .300 win mag from an eight pounder, .308 felt good after that!)

don't forget that a 700 modified is the basic explanation of what the marine corps and army uses for sniper rifles (yeah yeah they have armorers to check them over and tune them up but they don't really have to do too much to get a 700 shooting so good in the first place!)

and from what I understand the 700 is a simplified mauser action, made easier to mass produce but with the strength and accuracy (don't ask for specifics, I read up on that somewhere on here and it sounded good but I can't remember all of the argument, if I found it on here then you can too) but what doesn't borrow if not outright copy mauser action to some extent (like browning recoil operation, it doesn't make everythhing a hi-power but the reference gets made)