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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #90 on: June 11, 2007, 11:05:29 AM »
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[/i could care less about the wholesale price in a gun shop.  Could also care less about that pimply faced kid who sells it to me.  The fact is that the Remington guns sold by Wal-Mart are the same ones that you pay a premium price for at a gun shop.   All my newer guns have come from Wal_Mart.   They are all excellent guns.   The rifles all shoot minute of angle or less.   Saved a bundle by buying them at Wal-Mart.  quote]



 True they are the same gun but Remington has to crank up the volume to satisfy Walmarts Demand...that may affect their QC procedures.
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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #91 on: June 12, 2007, 03:39:54 AM »
I own four Remington rifles and three of the companies shotguns. All are equal in accuracy and fit/finish to any of my other guns. The two Remington classics and my new 700 are slightly better in quality than most of my other stuff.

Unlike others I have not seen issues with newer Remington products. I would point out that the trigger issues referred to here and elsewhere have been associated with triggers that were not correctly maintained. Pour a can full of WD-40 into a trigger, let it collect dirt and it will cause problems. Remington has publicly said --many times-- that dirty triggers will cause a problem. If you mess yours up, send it back and they will readjust it for you. If you have one of the older ones, (check Remington's web page) they will fix that too. Yes, Remington has paid off on the law suits. Car companies do the same. It is cheaper than staying in our court system. After all we have a legal system and not necessarily a justice system. Other rifles do the same. I personally know of one new Ruger 77,(I own those too) that would hang-fire. Ruger fixed that too. I also know of one Weatherby,(Yep, have had them also) that did the same.

It seems odd that any perceived issue with Remington gets rehashed daily with forum spin-- even if they are years old like the trigger issue-- and issues like Tikkas,( check their recall of about two years ago) blowing up seems to be ignored. It reminds me of the Ford/Chevy argument's of my youth. Would that be Toyota/Mazda today? Some day, someone will come up with a name for Internet forum-spin. Maybe that would be a good forum topic. Just think of the fun names that you might be able to add to the language.

Remington makes a good solid product that is equal to other similar products. I don't believe they have any more issues than the other brands and , at least the ones I own, have been very good.

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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #92 on: June 20, 2007, 08:00:34 AM »
I have had lots of Remington rifles and shotguns over the past 30 years. I have a Remington Mountain rifle in 7x57 and a CDL in 35 Whelen. They both shoot into and under an inch when I do my part.  No matter what brand they are, only accurate rifles are interesting....
Here is a list of some of the 700's and other Remington stuff I have had
Remington 600's in 308,222 ,350 mag
700's
222, 22-250, 243, 7x57, 30-06 ,7mm mag, 338, there is few more but I forgot...........

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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #93 on: August 03, 2007, 03:39:41 PM »
I have NEVER had any problems with my Remington 870.
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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #94 on: August 06, 2007, 08:06:26 AM »

Yup...I have a real problem with Remington...I just keep buying the darn things :D :D :D :D :D

I got got a real nice 11-87 Skeet-T in 99% condition today with real real  nice burled walnut on it....$600.00 out the door...with 4choke tubes......Darn them any way...Last month I got a Model 7 Youth for the son...Yup...I got a real problem with them alright... ;) I looked at about 40 different Remington's in the past 3 days...and while I don't like the new finish on the SPS rifles or on the 870 Express magnums I handled...they were all real good guns...All the stuff about rough pumps misaligned choke tubes..sloppy bolt travel..10lb triggers...Nope...not on any I have handled...My only real problem is the new ones just keep going up in price :-[...and so do the used ones too... :-[ :-[ That is when you can find them around here...Most just don't stay on dealers shelves for very long...

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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #95 on: August 06, 2007, 01:10:49 PM »
I got to agree with Mac on this. I just keep buying em.
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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #96 on: October 28, 2007, 11:45:51 AM »
I own just one Rem. its a rifle had it fer 27 years. Never had any trouble its as accurate now as it was new. Don't need another one, can't beat what i have! Mohawk 600 .243. Its always done its part as long as i did mine. Gee i put the wrong amount of years on here. Bet y'all can't believe that. It was made in 1968, rifle is almost 40 years old!
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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #97 on: December 19, 2007, 01:53:18 PM »
I recently bought a parkerized Remington 870 Police Magnum 12 gauge,it shoots Fedreal slugs to point of aim at 75 yards.It has the Scattergun Tech ghost ring sight with a tritium glow front sight. Shooting 000 buck I got 7 out of 8 pellets on the target at 35 yards.
I have a 7x57 and 300, both Rem 700's and they are very accurate.I like Winchester but I seem to have better luck and I like the Rem better. My 300 is from 1982 and the 7x57 is from 1996.Would I swap'em for a Winchester...no.

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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #98 on: December 20, 2007, 05:56:26 PM »
Haven't posted a message to this site for ages and thought it was about time.   My original message a couple of years ago was about my first ever Remington (after years of Rugers and Winchesters).   It was a new LVSF in .223 and I was initially disappointed with the accuracy and the "sticky" chambering.   Now after 2 years (and a bedding, floating and trigger job) it is shooting better than ever and I am very happy with the way it feeds and extracts the cases.   I swear the accuracy just gets better each time I take it out.  Head shots on foxes every time.   This is undoubtedly the best rifle I have ever owned.   I have become a confirmed Remington fan and would not hesitate to recommend Remington rifles to anyone.   On another note, Merry Christmas to all the USA (and especially the guys in Iraq) from this Australian shooter.

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« Reply #99 on: December 21, 2007, 07:22:01 AM »
I think that Remington guns are the best you can buy. I own quite a few. But this CZ I just resently got is a great rifle also.

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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #100 on: December 21, 2007, 08:23:29 AM »
I've had 700's, a 788, 870's, an 1100, a 552, and probably others going back 44 years without a failure or having an accident or breakage with them.  I have known enough to point the gun in a safe direction, especially when doing anything with the firing mechanism.  I am always amused when I see the high-priced competition being talked about as being superior to Remingtons.  They may be just as good, they may have different features, and they may justify pride in owning a fancy gun, but they do not complete their assigned tasks better than the Remingtons.  With all of the competing guns out there, it counts as something when the Army chose Remington for a sniper rifle.

A friend has a 700 in .222 mag. that he must have mis-loaded with a significant overcharge in the late '60's.  He had to use a mallet to open the bolt, and found the case was locked to the end of the bolt by flowing of the brass.  Sending it back to Remington, they replaced the bolt, proofed it, and sent it back.  They estimate around 80,000 psi for whatever he did.

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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #101 on: December 21, 2007, 10:20:29 AM »
Just counted my rifles, I have 24 Remingtons, and 13 each of the Mausers, and 5 Rugers (which includes 2 77/22s, 2 #3s, 1 77). I have others, also.

I have owned, bought and sold Remingtons now for just about 40 years. Yes, I had a broken bolt handle on a 788. Rifle was replaced free the next week. Yes, I have had broken extractors on 721s and 722s, none yet on 700s. Accuracy varied, from an out-of-the-box 40XB in .22-250 (back in the 70s) that came with a factory target of .105" (I never beat that, but got close) to a few that grouped about 2". I have had two 788s that would group consistantly under .1875" at 100 yards with almost anything that I put through them, much to the chagrin of quite a few other bench-resters with expensive rifles. I had a 721 in 30-06 that would group into .500" with most loads, factory or not. Never saw a Remington yet that wouldn't shoot at or close to 1 inch at 100 yards, although some took a bedding and trigger job to do it. 

Rugers? I tried them when I was shooting bench-rest a lot, gave up after 5 of them. None of them (MKIs) would group consistently under 1" no matter what I did to them, but they are rock solid reliable and none ever broke bolt handles or extractors. The calibers I have in the single shots aren't that accurate (.45-70, .375 H&H), I don't try for sub minute groups out of them. Rugers are GREAT hunting rifles, but not target rifles. My current M77 is a 7.62x39mm, again not an accuracy cartridge.

The Mausers are various, some sporterized military, some pure military, some commercial. They are also fine hunting rifles, and again not target rifles, just EXTREMELY reliable.

I like to shoot, but I'm not much of a hunter, so having rifles that aren't 10,000% reliable doesn't panic me. If I hunted, and reliability were of more importance to me than accuracy, then I would choose a Ruger, a Mauser, a CZ, a Browning or a Winchester. If accuracy is the foremost consideration, then it would be a Remington every time. It seems to me that dangerous game does not require a superbly accurate rifle, so why not choose a rifle more suited for reliability? I mean, OK, a Remington might not be the worlds best safari rifle, but then again, neither is an Anchutz. Non-dangerous game? Yes, I wish Remingtons were more reliable, in my own experience reliability problems will become apparent at the range before the hunt, if you bother to go. If you haven't hunted with your rifle before, take a back-up, or be prepared to borrow one.  I don't think Remingtons are any less reliable than other makes, percentage-wise, but since they make so many more rifles, there will of course be more broken ones. Not a higher percentage, just higher numbers.

I think that its sort of like this. There are three main characteristics in rifles that we all want. Great accuracy. 100% reliability. Low cost (at least relatively). Now pick which TWO characteristics you can live with. You can't have all three. At least, not 100% of the time from any manufacturer that most people can afford. Absolutely MUST have all three? Then be prepared to spend at least $1500 for the rifle (without scope or mounts), and more likely twice that, for a rifle GUARANTEED to have all three.

Has Remington quality gotten worse? Maybe. I haven't bought enough rifles made since 1993 to really judge that. I have only 6 that I can think of, and every one is flawless and groups under 1" at 100 yards with factory ammo (except my 700 Stainless, I have only shot handloads through it, no factory; it groups .500" or less). I'm not arguing that Remington quality hasn't gotten worse, only that I haven't seen it.

If I were a beginning rifleman, looking to buy my first high-powered deer rifle, how would I pick a rifle? I would realize that if I bought a Remington, it would MOST LIKELY shoot well, but it MIGHT have a reliability issue. I would realize that if I bought a Ruger, it would PROBABLY be 100% reliable, but it MIGHT not be as accurate as a Remington, but still quite adequate for hunting. Each and every brand of rifle has its strong points and its weak points, few are outright turkeys. People have their preferences, and their pet peeves. You are quite free to develop your own, but please don't think that you are an expert on any particular make of rifle because you owned one and it was a turkey. And just because someone like me that has had a certain brand for years and likes them, doesn't make me the final authority. That is what makes this sport so interesting, there is enough room for all of us, for all of our opinions, for all of our likes and dislikes. Go to the store (or your friends' houses), find what YOU like and buy it. Live with it for a while. Develop your own opinion based on experience, go from there.
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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #102 on: December 31, 2007, 01:53:20 AM »
Now that's how a mature post should be made, I Thank you for that zasxcd. Personal findings and nothing but.... it's refreshing indeed  :)

Personally, out of the 14 or so rifles(+ 3 870's) I have owned or still own, not a single one displayed a single reliability issue, where as the one Ruger I ever owned was problematic. I wouldn't have let that bother me but seeing as it was my 1st and only, I never bothered with them again and realized that sticking with what I know and trust was more logical at the end of the day. There are manufacturers I will stay far far away from, even if they have come a long ways in the past decade but this is not the time or place for naming names.

Honestly, I'm quite amazed that I haven't come across any lemons, when one has so many of one brand, you'd expect to find 1 or 2 that aren't up to snuff. I can understand how you've encountered such problems having 24 was it? No complaints here though, here's hoping the new AR15 model that hits shelves soon keeps in stride with the perfect track record I've had with Big Green firearms.

*Note: all but 2 of those are pre-1987 models(700 BDL 7mmmag  circa 1978 and 870 Wingmaster 1972) , the other 12 are 1987, 1989, 1992, 1994, 1995, 2 from 1996, 1998, 2001, 2 in 2004, 2005(That's from memory, some may be incorrect).  Point being that I have not witnessed any degradation in their accuracy or overall manufacturing. My shooting/hunting percentages are about 70% shooting and 30% hunting by the way.





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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #103 on: February 02, 2008, 08:57:25 AM »
I have used the Remington 870 in 12 gauge at home and in the sporting field for 18 years now. I have used the 870 at work for 10 years. It is quite simply the most versatile and reliable pump shotgun in the world.

My Model 700 in 30-06 is my most accurate and dependable rifle!

There are higher quality firearms out there and I own a few of them, but I would definitely trust my life to a Remington.
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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #104 on: February 29, 2008, 11:20:26 AM »
I realize that this thread has cobwebs, but thought I would pass along my experience with Remington Customer Service.  I called, today, regarding my purchase of a Remington 700 ADL 22-250 supposedly made in 1973.  My question was if the rifle has had its bolt lock mechanism altered by the factory as part of their safety upgrade campaign.  The CS Rep. was very helpful and courteous.  He checked the S/N against his database and said the weapon was original.  He suggested ways to improve safety (safety off, bolt up but not thrown back, place safety back on safe, unload)  should I decide not to send the rifle in for the upgrade.  Seems like a pain in the butt with an ADL.  I guess my out-of-pocket would be shipping to the factory and a $20.00 fee for shipping back.  A small price to pay for safety and not having to go through the above process when unloading. 

I was disappointed that Remington's website didn't have an on-line database so I could check to see if the work had been done.  It would have saved me a phone call.  I'm also somewhat surprised that the consumer has to pay to correct a defect that the company was aware of.  Such is life.

This repair on my 700, which isn't a recall but an option, has been extended until December, 2008. 

A positive customer service experience.  And I did find out my rifle is a 1978 and not a 1973, based on the S/N.  Now, I'm wondering what's going to show up ???.

 

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« Reply #105 on: March 21, 2008, 04:51:19 PM »
You could have saved the phone call by looking at your trigger.All the rifles that have had the modification are stamped with a small triangular shaped icon.My daughters 600 had the stamp but my 700 didn't.I sent it in with a note and they not only modified the safety but they also installed a new trigger mechanism for free.I figured the shipping cost was a small price to pay and the service was excelent.They got it back to me in time to make a hunt I told them I had planned for exotics.My rifle is a Model 700 bdl in 30-06 made in 1979 and you couldn't give me a brand new one for it right now.
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« Reply #106 on: March 25, 2008, 03:14:35 PM »
Rockman:  Thanks, for the info.  I was unaware of the triangle stamp and Remington C/S didn't say anything about the stamp when I talked to them. 

Other than the stamp, is there anything externally that shows it to be the upgrade/fix?  I wouldn't want some type of lawyer sanctioned gizmo that detracts from the looks.   ???

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« Reply #107 on: March 26, 2008, 04:31:59 AM »
so i checked my 700 and no marking on trigger. i live in canada so would there be any record i could access?
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Re: The Great Remington Debate
« Reply #108 on: March 26, 2008, 05:32:24 AM »




Remington firearms have served my family very well for several decades. Their ammo keeps getting BETTER!

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« Reply #109 on: April 19, 2008, 08:58:42 AM »
The Remington website posts all the needed information relating to the rifles needind the safety modification going by model and serial numbers.
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« Reply #110 on: May 14, 2008, 04:19:52 PM »
remingtons are good guns i am fond of them because growing up a remington represenitive was a good friend of my father he gave me free hats,towels,and ammo when i was shooting trap i currently have 14 remingtons 7 shotguns and 7 rifles  and i want more

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« Reply #111 on: May 14, 2008, 04:35:04 PM »
I have only owned one Remington rifle,  Model 700 in 222 Rem Mag. It has a 20" barrel and is accurate and reliable, made in the late 60's according to the date code. I like it.

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« Reply #112 on: June 25, 2008, 02:53:39 PM »
A couple of months ago I was looking at some bolt action rifles and the Remington rifles quality is a lot better than the Rugers and Savages I looked at.

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« Reply #113 on: June 26, 2008, 01:28:14 AM »
A couple of months ago I was looking at some bolt action rifles and the Remington rifles quality is a lot better than the Rugers and Savages I looked at.

Some people look past the over all quality and want a good shooter with a simple trigger and a low price tag, hence the savages recent popularity. I'm not saying that Remmy doesn't make some cheapos, they sure do and I stay clear of them(not saying they are bad, just not for me). But I tend to think that on average, the overall fit and finish on a Remmy is noticably better than the 2 you mentioned(I'd take a Ruger over a Savage any day, Just not a fan of savage). If people can't take 5 minutes to work on a remmy trigger( lighten it to their liking, cover with clear nail polish) that's their loss. I don't buy a gun for it's *out of the box trigger*, I buy it because I KNOW it will work, it's form and function suits me, and it looks good(if someone says they don't care about how their firearms look, they are lying), it's affordable(price being subjective) and in 34 years I still haven't found a reason to stop buying several Remingtons a year. I'm not as old, err experienced as some of you but haven't run into a lemon in over 30 models, and if it does happen, 1 or 2 bad ones won't taint the love I have for Big Green  ;)

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« Reply #114 on: June 26, 2008, 02:09:02 AM »
I own rem. 700's in .223 rem. ,  .243 win., .270 win., a rem. 14 in 30 rem. a model four in .280 rem. a model 740 in 30-06, a model 742 in .308 win. a model 552 in 22. And a few shotguns for lanyap. LIKE MY REMINGTONS> BUT DON'T LIKE THERE SERVICE DEPARTMENT!!!!!

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« Reply #115 on: June 26, 2008, 03:37:11 AM »
Guess Im just lucky too,I have a safe FULL of remmys and they get USED "ABUSED" and Ive never had to use the service dept.They have a few models to stear clear of,most of all the POS 597 22 lr,the 710 and 770 are ugly as sin but still shoot like a remmy with a few minutes of tweeking.
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« Reply #116 on: June 29, 2008, 12:27:11 PM »
Just bought my third 700 in 204-VTR. With a little bit more tweaking I think this gun will be an excellent shooter. Dave

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« Reply #117 on: July 31, 2008, 07:51:22 AM »
A friend referred me to this website &  this is my first post.

All my guns are Remingtons, so I guess that's what attracted me to this topic. For the most part it looks like anyone that replied, really likes "Big Green".

Why isn't there a smilar topic regarding the other manufacturer's priducts (ie The Great Mossberg Debate)?

BTW All my experiences have been good, (even with the service dept, they replaced a S/A mtn rifle stock that had a large crack along the grain - they sent it, then allowed me to return the original, and never asked for a CC #).

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« Reply #118 on: August 01, 2008, 01:16:13 AM »
A friend referred me to this website &  this is my first post.

All my guns are Remingtons, so I guess that's what attracted me to this topic. For the most part it looks like anyone that replied, really likes "Big Green".

Why isn't there a smilar topic regarding the other manufacturer's priducts (ie The Great Mossberg Debate)?

BTW All my experiences have been good, (even with the service dept, they replaced a S/A mtn rifle stock that had a large crack along the grain - they sent it, then allowed me to return the original, and never asked for a CC #).

Welcome to the family  ;)

Seems you got great service from them when it was most needed. I've never needed their assistance but if I do, I hope it goes as smooth as your experience did.

I won't hold it against you... the umm Mossberg comment  :o

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« Reply #119 on: August 28, 2008, 04:32:05 AM »
I tend to agree with SNIPER VLS, if it ain't Remington you don't need it. Safe has several nice guns but the best are the Remington 700 classics in 350 Rem Mag, and Remington 700 SPS Varmint in 308 cal. 350 rem mag has a leupold 3.5-10X50 and the 308 has leupold 3.5-10X40 Boone and Crocket scopes. I have never changed any thing on these guns, they are "as from the factory".  The 350 shoots 1 to 1.5 MOA at 150 yds and the 380 shoots 0.3 at 100 yds and 0.5 or better at 200 yds. In Maine you don't shoot much further then that. Just my opinion. Maine 9 months of winter 3 months of fall.