Author Topic: Weatherby / Remington / WInchester Accuracy (Read 2404 times)

waterfowlhunter · « **on:** May 22, 2005, 03:44:32 AM »

I am planning on the purchase of a new 308 Target / Varmint Rifle. I have it narrowed down to 3 I really like but would like to hear about any experiences with these

1. Weatherby Mark V Super Varmintmaster
2. Remington 700 TWS (tactical Weapon System)
3. Winchester Stealth II

I hear Winchester Has made a lot of improvements in the Stealth for this year, But I really like the look and Feel of the Weatherby and Remington Which one will give me the best accuracy

tscott · « **Reply #1 on:** May 22, 2005, 04:42:09 AM »

I love the Mark V action... Mine shoots everything well! My original Mountain rifle is terrific for what it is designed, but not as accurate as the Mark V. Weatherby's logic of 9 locking lugs vs 2 or 3, seems to hold up well.

beemanbeme · « **Reply #2 on:** May 22, 2005, 05:33:59 AM »

The Remington would have a great deal more "aftermarket" support items and many more smiths that are familar with wresting accuracy from them.

As far as which one would be more accurate? "Each rifle is a law unto itself and generalizations should be made with circumspection"

Lawdog · « **Reply #3 on:** May 22, 2005, 11:15:17 AM »

Quote from: waterfowlhunter

I am planning on the purchase of a new 308 Target / Varmint Rifle. I have it narrowed down to 3 I really like but would like to hear about any experiences with these

1. Weatherby Mark V Super Varmintmaster
2. Remington 700 TWS (tactical Weapon System)
3. Winchester Stealth II

I hear Winchester Has made a lot of improvements in the Stealth for this year, But I really like the look and Feel of the Weatherby and Remington Which one will give me the best accuracy

If you want the order of accuracy then it would look like this;

1.] Weatherby Mark V Super Varmintmaster
2.] Winchester Stealth II
3.] Remington 700 TWS

Of these three only Weatherby gives you a written guarantee that you can bank on. Go with the Weatherby and dont look back. By far the VERY BEST of the three. Lawdog

Zachary · « **Reply #4 on:** May 23, 2005, 03:27:45 AM »

I'm not familiar with the particular Remington and Winchester offerings, so I really can't respond specifically. As for the Weatherby, I've shot that particular gun in I think it was .223 and it shot half inch groups with factory ammo.

That said, both of my Remingtons and Winchesters shoot 1MOA with at least one factory load. Still, the quality of the Weatherby is noticeably higher than the Remchesters - as noted in the price tag. :grin:

Zachary

John R. · « **Reply #5 on:** May 23, 2005, 04:19:31 AM »

I have played with quite a few Remington's and have yet to see one that wouldn't shoot under an inch with good reloads. I also have a Weatherby vanguard that will shoot under an inch with good reloads. However, my experiences with Mark V's has not been that great. IMHO, you would be better off buying 2 Remington's for the price of one Mark V. The Remington's trigger is easily adjusted, and most will shoot good groups right out of the box. If i'm not mistaken Weatherby guarentees 1.5" out of the box, nothing to write home about in my opinion. The last Winchester I shot in 7WSM shot an 11/4" @ 100 yds with factory ammo, which is ok but the trigger badly needed work. :grin:

Mac11700 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 25, 2005, 09:03:35 AM »

Quote from: John R.

I have played with quite a few Remington's and have yet to see one that wouldn't shoot under an inch with good reloads. I also have a Weatherby vanguard that will shoot under an inch with good reloads. However, my experiences with Mark V's has not been that great. IMHO, you would be better off buying 2 Remington's for the price of one Mark V. The Remington's trigger is easily adjusted, and most will shoot good groups right out of the box. If i'm not mistaken Weatherby guarentees 1.5" out of the box, nothing to write home about in my opinion. The last Winchester I shot in 7WSM shot an 11/4" @ 100 yds with factory ammo, which is ok but the trigger badly needed work. :grin:

That would depend on which Weatherby you buy...

http://www.weatherby.com/products/guns.asp?prd=Rifles&prd_sub_type=3&prod_code=VMM223RR4O

And it would look simialar to this...my picture is a little better...

Mac

Brac2005 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 26, 2005, 03:02:34 AM »

A couple of months ago I picked up a Remington LTR (light tactical rifle) in .308. This is basically a PSS with a 20 inch medium weight fluted factory barrel. Using Federal Gold Medal Match 168gr factory ammo, I have fired several .5 inch groups and my best group ever of .21 inch at 100 yds. This is with a 3-9x Burris Fullfield II with Ballistic plex. And this was with the trigger still stock (has since been adjusted to 2 lbs). This rifle has a factory HS Precision stock which is very stiff. It's heavy enough to hold steady, but yet light enough that I will be able to carry it all day hunting if needed. Since it is considered a "tactical rifle", it does not have that silly J lock either. I am extremely pleased with this rifle

Buckskin · « **Reply #8 on:** May 31, 2005, 05:47:11 AM »

So thats the Weatherby guarantee, 1 1/2"? Big deal!!! If you can't get that out of any 308 rifle with premium loads there is somthing wrong, and I would be complaining to the factory. I personally would go with the Remington, for the money it won't beat it.

Lawdog · « **Reply #9 on:** May 31, 2005, 11:19:28 AM »

Quote from: Buckskin

So thats the Weatherby guarantee, 1 1/2"? Big deal!!! If you can't get that out of any 308 rifle with premium loads there is somthing wrong, and I would be complaining to the factory. I personally would go with the Remington, for the money it won't beat it.

This is exactly right except that with Remington any of their rifles that shoot groups around 4 inches are within company standards. This is what they quoted me in a letter when I complained about the accuracy of one of their M700 BDL's in .308 Winchester. Only took them 9 plus months to get it straighten out. Lawdog

Buckskin · « **Reply #10 on:** May 31, 2005, 11:37:43 AM »

How did they straighten it out?
I would expect they fix the problem also.
I haven't had a Remington 700 shoot worse than around an inch out of the box. Which is plenty accurate for a deer whacker.

Lawdog · « **Reply #11 on:** May 31, 2005, 12:08:51 PM »

Quote from: Buckskin

How did they straighten it out?
I would expect they fix the problem also.
I haven't had a Remington 700 shoot worse than around an inch out of the box. Which is plenty accurate for a deer whacker.

Remington refunded my money because they said there was nothing to fix on the rifle. Took a lawyer writing letters to get them to refund the money. My second Remington rifle that had a problem was another M700 BDL that the stock looked like it had been inletted by a drunk money using a box ax. Again Remington said nothing was wrong and wouldn't replace the stock. Both rifles were brand new and made after the mid 1980s. There has been a couple of other times when I trusted Remington but no more. Not until they make MAJOR changes with Customer Service and Quality Control. Lawdog

Buckskin · « **Reply #12 on:** June 01, 2005, 03:38:51 AM »

Unexcusable, but I will trust Remingtons products until they screw me.
Then I will soil their name until I feel justified. But I have had a great run with their products so far.

poncaguy · « **Reply #13 on:** June 01, 2005, 01:24:46 PM »

I'm very pleased with my Winchester Super Shadow and very pleased with my Stevens 200...........$262....really a Savage without the accu trigger.........and a better synthetic stock than the package Savages...Used to buy nothing but Remington 700's, they were good back then 60's and 70's......

warf73 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 01, 2005, 08:21:32 PM »

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So thats the Weatherby guarantee, 1 1/2"? Big deal!!! If you can't get that out of any 308 rifle with premium loads there is somthing wrong, and I would be complaining to the factory. I personally would go with the Remington, for the money it won't beat it

Buckskin I agree with ya that 1 1/2" groups isn't a big deal but it's better than NOTHING.
I've purchased several rifles over the years and none of them other than the Weatherby said if you can't get 1 1/2" groups or better will fix it.

We all have read about rifles shooting worse than Weatherbys guarantee with custom loads.
So there claim is if nothing else, a little insurance polices for you the consumer, versus there compededer guarantee which is .........NOTHING.

I'm not knocking any other rifle manufacture please don't misunder me I owne several other manufactures rifles.

Warf

Jimi · « **Reply #15 on:** June 02, 2005, 07:55:17 AM »

If the guaranty is so unimpressive to you, tell us which venerated manufacturer offers as good or better in a non-custom firearm.

BuckTrucker · « **Reply #16 on:** June 02, 2005, 10:01:14 AM »

Tikka guarantees 1MOA out of the box with factory ammo. I have no idea how they evaluate it with all the different abilities of shooters out there but I'm sure it's in the fine print. I think the guarantee at least gives the buyer some comfort that if you get a gun that won't group less than 3" or 4" like I've read about elsewhere on these forums, and you call the manufacturer, they're not going to tell you that's acceptable groups.

Cheers,
LSC

tuck2 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 02, 2005, 01:57:34 PM »

I have all three brands but not any current models. Some new rifles need the trigger adjusted, the action glass bedded, barrel free floated, the muzzle trued up,and the bolt locking lugs lapped to get them to shoot under one inch groups. When rifles are shot off a bench rest you,l know if it needs a tune up. ( Good luck.)

Buckskin · « **Reply #18 on:** June 03, 2005, 05:03:49 AM »

Thompson Center - 1" guarantee.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 03, 2005, 09:57:49 AM »

Weatherby Sub-Moa...1" gaurantee...all rifles have to shoot 3/4" group or smaller before even qualifing to get converted..

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Weatherby guarantees its new Vanguard® SUB-MOA hunting rifle to shoot a three-shot group of .99 inch or less at 100 yards when used with specific Weatherby factory or premium (non-Weatherby calibers) ammunition.

Because we factory-shoot every Vanguard rifle, we know that a number of exceptionally accurate Vanguards are produced each year, said Brad Ruddell, Weatherbys vice president of sales and marketing. Armed with this knowledge, we decided to take Vanguards accuracy guarantee to the next level. We hand-pick factory test-fired targets with a maximum of .75 inch MOA so we can be certain of our .99 inch or less MOA guarantee. To help achieve this standard, the Vanguard SUB-MOA utilizes a 24-inch barreled action pillar bed to the latest in stock technology. If youre looking for an affordable hunting rifle with tack-driving accuracy, this is it.

Weatherbys Vanguard SUB-MOA rifle is available in Matte and Stainless models. The SUB-MOA Matte features matte black metalwork. The SUB-MOA Stainless sports stainless steel metalwork bead blast to a matte finish. The metalwork on both models is non-reflective to eliminate game-spooking glare.

Mac

Buckskin · « **Reply #20 on:** June 03, 2005, 11:43:56 AM »

And you can get all this for the low. low price of?

?

Good guarantee but all rifles should be able to do that with premium ammo. Unfortunately they all don't.

Lawdog · « **Reply #21 on:** June 04, 2005, 09:18:31 AM »

Quote from: Buckskin

Thompson Center - 1" guarantee.

I just went through their web site and was unable to find any "1" guarantee". Could you post a picture or tell me where I can find this written guarantee? I would like to read it. Lawdog

RaySendero · « **Reply #22 on:** June 06, 2005, 01:07:16 PM »

Quote from: Jimi

If the guaranty is so unimpressive to you, tell us which venerated manufacturer offers as good or better in a non-custom firearm.

Best to show which one I think will be best pick!

Here's my late mobel Remington 700 in .270 winchester. I know the 270 is not suspose to be a target caliber but see it at 200 yards:

Target is kinda busy - I put a shoot-n-c target over a visi-shot target so don't mind the 8x57 holes at top. The first 270 shot was the single on the edge at 5 o'clock. Then made small adjustments up plus left and shot that 0.3" two shot group still at 5'oclock just closer. Then adjusted up/left and put that one about 3/4" out on the left. Then 2 clicks right on scope clipped the 10. Then a second shot when through that same hole! May be it looks a little bit larger than rest - but by not much.

Try the Remington.

Buckskin · « **Reply #23 on:** June 07, 2005, 04:12:29 AM »

Thats a typical Remington for you.

Doe Dumper · « **Reply #24 on:** June 15, 2005, 08:06:27 PM »

5 M700's made from 1980-2004. All 5 will shoot under 1.5 easily with most factory stuff with nothing but a trigger job. I have a Vanguard that shoots very well also. Buy what feels right...its your money. Listening to us argue probably wont help ya with your decision..lol.

Grubbs · « **Reply #25 on:** June 16, 2005, 05:52:21 AM »

Both of my Tikka T-3's (7-08, 7mag) shoot factory w sub MOA accuracy. the 7-08 with your basic green box core-lokt 140 gr, and the 7mag with Hornady Heavy Mag 139 gr. My Tikka Whitetail shoot sub moa with the same Hornady Heavy mag factory load. No premium ammo here, just 1/2" groups all day long.

alaskacajun · « **Reply #26 on:** June 21, 2005, 07:45:17 PM »

I don't know about everybody else but when I came to Alaska, I told my Dad to get him a big game rifle so he could hunt here. He went to Wally World and got 2 Weatherby Vanguard's in .300 Wby. He sent me one, and it came in the original box, in the box was a target from the factory. The group is under an inch.

With that said, when I bought my 22-250 Remington I don't remember seeing a target in the box. But I still bought it, and it's just as accurate.

With that said, when I bought my Savage 25-06, again I don't remember seeing any target, but it's also very accurate.

My point? You win some you lose some, what do you perfer, Ford or Chevy... LOL

If I had the money, I would get the Weatherby.... I've looked at the Super Varmint Master and it is very nice...

- Clint

Buckskin · « **Reply #27 on:** June 22, 2005, 03:50:06 AM »

My point exactly Alaskan, if you can't shoot moa or near it out of the box, you got screwed in my opinion. No matter what make of gun you purchase.
They don't all guarantee moa, but I expect it.

firstshot · « **Reply #28 on:** June 23, 2005, 02:35:22 PM »

My REM 700 Mtn LSS consistenely shoots sub MOA with 140 Grn Game Kings, 154 Grn Hornady RNs and 140 Grn Nosler Accubonds (all handloads). The only thing I've done to it is lighten the trigger pull weight.

The overall group average for the 140Grn Accubonds is just a hair over 1/2" CTC at 100 Yds. Here are a couple of the better Accubond groups.

Dark lines = 1/2", lighter lines = 11/4"

Now as far as I know, I didn't get any kind of 1" accuracy guarantee. Kind of glad I didn't since I'm getting 1/2" accuracy instead...LOL :lol:

firstshot
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Make your first shot count!

jro45 · « **Reply #29 on:** June 25, 2005, 10:47:02 AM »

I don't have any problems with my Remingtons, WBY, or Winchester rifles as far as accurately shooting. There all excellant shooters.