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« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2004, 04:14:44 PM »
There are grizzlies in Colorado.  There are also warnings all over the place, "Don't shoot a bear with a hump."

The general consensus is, if you shoot a grizzley, you'll wish you hadn't. :lol:

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« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2004, 04:32:29 PM »
Considering the "BEAR" factor, you might look into the .338 Mag. It's time tested and proven itself over again...
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« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2004, 04:35:42 PM »
The 7mm Rem Mag has less recoil than most of the other “Magnums” and that’s nice but it’s so accurate and so flat shooting. The 7mm STW, Weatherby, WSM, and all the other 7’s don’t even interest me anymore.  I run the hyper velocity rounds against the standard rounds on the computer. For the most part they don’t add up to much.

Just a bit of information. I've been told that on average, people that live at 5,000 ft. or more have a pint more blood in their system than people that live at sea level. That extra pint is needed to pickup more oxygen in this thin air we have here.
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« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2004, 05:20:21 PM »
There are lions and tigers and bears in Colorado. The tigers are in the zoo’s, the lions (mountain lions) aren’t interested in you if you stand more than 4 feet tall, and the bears,,,, well the bears can be a problem. Most all (99%) of the bears in Colorado are Black Bears. There are a few Grizzlies that come down from Wyoming from time to time to the northern parts of Colorado, and there is an environmentalist imagined population of grizzlies in the southern part of the state.  They believe that there are grizzlies living in southern Colorado.  Ok,,, Maybe so,, put they have to be living side by side with “Big Foot”....  I don’t think so!
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« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2004, 05:44:52 PM »
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There are grizzlies in Colorado.  There are also warnings all over the place, "Don't shoot a bear with a hump."

The general consensus is, if you shoot a grizzley, you'll wish you hadn't. :lol:


I agree its best not to shoot a bear with a hump, but the official Department of Wildlife position is that there are no Grizz in Colorado.  

Marty Stouffer of "Wild America" fame claims to have seen one but refused to reveal the location.  Another photographer that has spent may years photographing Grizz (outside Colorado) and hunting the high country claims to have been attacked by one a couple years ago, I think up near Eagle's Nest Wilderness (Dillon area).

But I've never seen a sign like the one you talk about, and I've been living and hunting in Colorado for 20+ years.
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« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2004, 06:59:36 PM »
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Just what dooo you consider to be "over gunned" for a charging Grizzly?


Heck that's an easy one. Anything much over .50BMG would be over gunned for them.  :eek:

I have my doubts about the grizzly population in southern WY much less CO. Maybe but mighty dang few. To say as was said they have figured out a shot means a free meal is a bit much. I've heard that of some of the bear infested islands of Alaska and maybe it even applies to some inland areas. But in CO? Ya gotta be kidding me.


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« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2004, 03:40:32 AM »
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The 7mm Rem Mag has less recoil than most of the other “Magnums” and that’s nice but it’s so accurate and so flat shooting. The 7mm STW, Weatherby, WSM, and all the other 7’s don’t even interest me anymore...


The 7mm Mag with a 160g bullet has been my choice for 20+ years, although last year I left it home and took my Marlin .45-70 and Marlin 375 instead.  The 7mm has worked just fine.

I do recommend a good bullet, for elk -- regardless of caliber -- when velocities exceed 2800fps.  The Speer Grand Slam, Nosler Partition, Swift A-Frame, Speer Trophy Bonded, Barnes X/XLC/TSX, CT Failsafe, and North Fork are all -- IMHO -- much better choices than conventional bullets for magnum velocities.
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« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2004, 04:34:40 AM »
Hi all, after reading all of these interesting posts and agreeing with most of them, I still believe in the old adage "It's better to have it and not need it that need it and not have it" My 45-70 Guide Gun thumps me just as hard as my Rem 700 in .300 RUM does so recoil isn't a problem for me.  It boils down to knowing your abilities with the rifle and being honest with yourself about them! All the magnum power in the world won't make up for a poor shot or taking a once in a life time shot at a trophy that's out of range of your 06 but is perfect for one of the .300 magnums. We owe it to the game to use the right tool for the job and be proficient with it. As many have already stated, try one and see if it's right for you. Good luck with what ever you choose! CEJ...
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« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2004, 11:39:33 AM »
This post has about run its course, but I'll chime in one last time -- I agree with MickinColo; I lived in Colo. Spgs. for 25 years before moving to AZ. Never saw or heard of anyone who saw a grizzly; the consensus is "We think there are grizzly in Colorado, but aren't sure where." Pretty much covers it. As stated earlier, the bear you're most likely to find are black bear; they still come into the outer parts of the 'Springs and raid people's garbage. The big ones run about 350-450lbs; plenty big enough to ruin your day, but still within the capabilities of an '06.

Regarding an elk hunt, unless you're in really good shape or have experience at high altitude, get ready for a wake-up. High-altitude exertion is a humbling experience for anyone who's not prepared for it. Blood level does increase as stated earlier, but it takes at least two weeks for your body to adapt. That's mostly from an inrease in red blood cell count, which accounts for the "extra pint" that's claimed.

Elk are generally found at the higher elevations (say, 9000+ feet, depending on snow depth), and even when I lived there, the only time packing out 150lbs. of quartered meat was "easy" was when I was running nine miles a day. That was before the ATV's were popular, but you don't always know where you'll get your shot. Get in shape if you aren't already, and you'll have a much more enjoyable and rewarding hunt.

Lastly, the '06 is plenty of gun for CO game. Get some 165 - 200gr Nosler Partitions, and you've got it covered. A friend of mine still hunts with his 7Mag, and 165gr does in a 700 - 850lb dressed-weight elk every year. Most of the shots I got were in heavy timber depending on where we were hunting. The NW part of the state has larger, rolling meadows, so a 250-300yd shot is possible, but usually not necessary if you're willing to stalk in closer.

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« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2004, 03:46:50 PM »
Hi, There is alot of sound advice here. My experience as always is a tad different. I'm a .30-06 fan and have had one around nearly all my life. Once let a local gun shop talk me into a .280 for my wife. I watched her shoot her first elk with godd shot placement and knock it down temporarily, get up and shoot it again, then run to shoot it again. Factory bullet selection was poor and hard to find. That gun hit the used rack and got her a .30-06. Lots of ammo anywhere cheap. Once again I watched her shoot an elk and it was down for the count. Got my son a 06 and same story we all watched him shoot two elk and two deer  one shot kills done deal. Can't begin to recount all my kills with .30-06.   But I now have to say when I got my wife a new rifle I saw a matching  beautiful Sig in .300 win mag so I bought it also. The .300 does have more recoil than the 06, but I also found it is reduced by quality rifle design.  This gun has the 26" barrel. Everything I've shot has been a one shot kill and goes down with authority. I believe the .300 is a bit more accurate. I won't be going back to an 06 after all the experiences. The .338 is also a good round but has about one third more recoil, but I think the recoil velocity on the .300 is faster therefore it seems more like more punch. Take enough gun it can put an end to tracking if nothing else. Above all get a gun you like and that fits you then go shoot it more than a quick sight in before hitting the road. I vote for the .300 whether it be the Win Mag or WSM or the Weatherby. Also there are some guides that recomend the .300 they just don't like someone showing up with an African Safari special that the person has never shot.  Just because someone shot a record bear with a .22 doesn't mean you should try.

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« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2004, 02:39:13 AM »
Yep, what Donaldo said. Bullet placement is more important than FPS, believe it or not. Before you pick any of the magnums, it is a good idea to find out how well you can shoot them. Too many magnum owners are so upset by the recoil they shut their eyes and yank the trigger. If the recoil doesn't bother you and you can consistently shoot them well, the mags will do a great job for you. If not, shoot a standard cartridge like the 30-06 loaded with 180 grain Nosler partitions or Barnes bullets. They will take down the biggest bull elk. Of the 3 mentioned, I'd pick the 300 Winchester Mag.

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« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2005, 08:12:53 AM »
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WARPhEAGLE,

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I hope to go to Colorado next fall for deer/elk hunt.


Depending on where in Colorado you will be hunting I would stick with your choice of a .300 magnum maybe even go to a .338 Winchester Magnum.  The reason is that in many places in Colorado the Grizzly Bears have learned that a gun shot means a fresh gut pile and a easy meal.  Sure there are a number of non-magnum cartridges that will work nicely for deer/elk BUT would you rather have a .30-06 in your hands or a .300 magnum if a bears comes while your in the middle of dressing out your game?  And a 26” barrel works best for large magnum types.  If you are going the magnum route then you might as well make sure all the powder gets burned where it will do the most good.  My personal choice is get a .300 Weatherby Magnum and hunt with pride.  Lawdog
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Lawdog:  We don't have grizzly bears here in Colorado except in the zoo: haven't had any for most of the 20th century.

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« Reply #42 on: January 03, 2005, 04:57:48 PM »
:D

I will only add:

1.Go with a Weatherby Vanguard Stainless in 30.06(because of the nice price and 24" barrel).
2. buy the best scope you can afford
3. Use a good premium 180 gr bullet.
4. Practice as much as possible and get in shape.

YOU WILL DO FINE! :lol:
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« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2005, 04:45:11 PM »
Hey Guys,

Great reading these posts in this thread. I'm in Australian and I haven't hunted in Colorado or anywhere else in the US either (but I intend to rectify that as soon as opportunity allows). We're not all that disadvantaged here in Oz and we have heard of Jack O'Connor. I picked up his book "The Hunting Rifle" back in the 70s when I ran a gunshop in Brisbane. I was immediately smitten and became a fan of his. I remember well that quote on his exploits with the .270 Win and the Elk, Moose and Grizzlys he shot with it. I am a fan of the .270 Win (ultimate mountain rifle cartridge) too. But I also have a .30 cal magnum (.308 Norma Mag) which I also love. See my posts under http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=20567 .

Jack O'Connor also wrote in "The Hunting Rifle" (Winchester Press 1970)   "Wicked cartridges these 30 calibre magnums-hard hitting, hard kicking, quick killing-but only if those using them know how to shoot them. They are certainly just about as close to being all-round big game cartridges as anything."  If you have one and can really use it then why not take it, but if you can't get something you can shoot well.

WARPhEAGLE, you said "I have never owned a long range deer rifle", does that mean you have not handled or shot he calibres you mentioned? If so try them out before you by them. There's a lot of shooters out there that don't like .30 cal magnums and can't shoot them well. This is nothing to be ashamed of. If this is the case why not go for a 30-06 or better still a .308 Win. I have the latter in a featherweight and it id a bit (quite a bit) lighter than my .308NM and if it were a mountain hunt I would seriously consider the .308 Win. With the right bullets and loads it ought to take care of all the Elk you want. I call it the little, big round.

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« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2005, 02:59:45 AM »
Well Put!!
The  2005 Remington Classic is in the venerable and VERY capable .308 Winnie! :grin:
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