Author Topic: 416 Rem Mag Bullet (Read 4012 times)

tanoose · « **Reply #30 on:** March 11, 2005, 03:48:59 PM »

If the 30/06 is Dead someone forgot to tell the public about it . the 30/06 this year and i beleive the last few years has been the #1 seller.

BS · « **Reply #31 on:** March 25, 2005, 12:27:28 PM »

And I thought that the .416 Remington Mag. was the dead one! I do think that the 375 H&H will live forever, it might be a .416 caliber though!

DanP · « **Reply #32 on:** May 08, 2005, 04:10:41 PM »

Remington seems to have dropped their custom shop, which is where their safari line lived. With it went their .458 win mag and their .416 rem mag. They have made a commitment to their rum line, which runs up to .375 RUM. I'm not sure *I* like the direction Remington is going, but then, they're trying to create new differentiation in the market.

A few years back, big bores were all the rage. It looks like the SAUMs, WSMs, RUMs, etc, have displaced all that for the time being. Many of the .458 win ammo lines have been dropped. SOME of that could be coming from reports that the standard fmj's were not performing following drilling through bone. But I think it is broader-based marketing: they're now marginal sellers, and they're trying to push their new lines which they hope will be a little hotter. I'm still finding bulk winchester brass for .458 underprice, but it won't last [and hasn't; winchester still has the best deal]. At the same time, I'm still seeing components for these calibers. But they're rapidly getting pricier.

Putting 400 grain against 400 grain, I see very similar exterior ballistics between the .416 rem and the .458 win. There are 300 gr bullets in .458 available, but their secional density/bc do not perform as well as the .416 in that weight. In this way, the .416 may reach into the upper range of the .375, but doesn't really span the range of the .375H&H to .458 win. The .375H&H actually shows much greater range of projectiles, with pretty good exterior ballistics, through larger bullets on big animals. The .375H&H actually has a purpose on the NA continent, while the .458 win, though flexible enough to range from .45-70's through more than you need almost everywhere, has sacrificed most of its exterior ballistics for terminal ballistics.

A friend of mine shot my .458 win, with 2 past pads... pretty comfortable to shoot that way. You get a mighty shove: lots of exuberance, lots of rambunctiousness, and the slug smacks the target with the archetype of authority. My friend just laughed and laughed: very much pleased with the experience! Like a Walt Whitman poem packed into one moment of recoil.

Dan

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #33 on:** May 09, 2005, 01:38:56 AM »

It was a blast reading all the post here, I had a good chuckle. It was great reading how a lot of you disagree and kept it on a joking plan. :-D

Very good read.

Ramrod · « **Reply #34 on:** May 09, 2005, 02:10:49 PM »

Redhawk1, I think maybe it's because in discussing these calibers, we have entered the realm of some serious gun nuts. Different experiences for sure, but real and trustworthy experiences, none the less, and without most of the usuall B.S.
Or maybe it was just the holiday spirit(s).

crow_feather · « **Reply #35 on:** May 13, 2005, 07:45:51 AM »

Not the holidays friend. Just what might be said around a campfire, in some hunting camp, between friends that enjoy the talk.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #36 on:** May 13, 2005, 08:43:34 AM »

crow_feather, I just shot a few of the 300 gr. Barnes X bullets in my 416 Rigby and they appear to shoot well. I have to get to my formal range and try them at a longer distance. I also ordered some 350 gr. banded solids for my 416. I want to use them on a Water Buffalo hunt.

I think Barnes makes one of the pest hunting bullet . JMHO.

crow_feather · « **Reply #37 on:** May 13, 2005, 06:26:04 PM »

Redhawk1 ,

Sadly, Barnes has seen fit to end the 300 grain X-bullet line. I bought what I need from Cabella's as the local supply has already died out. I consider the loss of the 300 grain X-bullet a major loss. With this 300 grain bullet, a person can use his 416 in the lower 48 the same as a person using a 45-70-300, but with more speed and penetration.

For those people who have the luck to be able to handle the recoil of the larger calibers, a 416 (with the 300 to 400 grain bullets) is a rifle that would fit the "one rifle for everything catagory" for the world. IMHO

30-06 can't do that.

Best of luck on your hunt. If a buffalo charges, and your guide takes off running, keep your head, you can still trip up the tracker and leave him behind before you take off after the guide.

C F

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #38 on:** May 14, 2005, 01:05:36 AM »

crow_feather, I went to Barnes web site and still see the 300 gr. listed. Where did you see it dropped? If that is the case I will order a case of them, not like they would go bad. :-D

Ramrod · « **Reply #39 on:** May 14, 2005, 04:32:24 PM »

Quote from: crow_feather

For those people who have the luck to be able to handle the recoil of the larger calibers, a 416 (with the 300 to 400 grain bullets) is a rifle that would fit the "one rifle for everything catagory" for the world. IMHO

30-06 can't do that.
C F

Of course it can! Not the ideal modern-world round, like, say the .375 H&H,

but in the last 100 years it has done in all the world's critters too many times to say it can't! :-D

while99 · « **Reply #40 on:** May 14, 2005, 05:24:07 PM »

I called Barnes a couple of months ago. I was looking for some 325 grain .416 X bullets and the lady that answered the phone told me that they had dropped the 325 grain but both the 300 and 350 grain X bullets were still available.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #41 on:** May 14, 2005, 05:52:12 PM »

Quote from: while99

I called Barnes a couple of months ago. I was looking for some 325 grain .416 X bullets and the lady that answered the phone told me that they had dropped the 325 grain but both the 300 and 350 grain X bullets were still available.

Thanks, I will call them again on Monday are see if anything has changed.

crow_feather · « **Reply #42 on:** May 14, 2005, 06:05:56 PM »

I honestly do not remember where I had heard that, but it was a pretty good source. However, I would prefer to be wrong on this matter as I really do like the 300 grain round...........especially since I found Outers Foaming Bore Cleaner, as no scrubbing is required to clean copper residue from a rifle bore.

As fer that there 30-06 fella, I too have a 30-06. I load it with those 165 grain bullets............................. Great varmint load. :wink:

C F

Ramrod · « **Reply #43 on:** May 14, 2005, 07:07:54 PM »

.220 grain fmj. is what you need for that varmint gun. If you can hit what you aim at, it's dead. I might want to try the .416 some morning when I wake up with a real bad case of the shakes. But that is only if I can't find the proper medicine to cure it.

crow_feather · « **Reply #44 on:** May 15, 2005, 07:58:42 AM »

My! You got some big varmints back there. Usually, I have found that the 416 gives what I'm aiming at the shakes. It really isn't that bad with recoil. I would rather shoot it with 300 grain bullets at 2650 fps, than shoot my 300 Win Mag. Now that rifle beats ya to death.

jro45 · « **Reply #45 on:** May 31, 2005, 02:12:02 AM »

Crow Feather, I just read in the Noslers loading manual where you can load a 400gr partition bullet to go over 2500 fps with the Rem 416 Mag. I thought that was real good for the Rem 416. What do you think?

DanP · « **Reply #46 on:** May 31, 2005, 03:47:30 AM »

That (2,500 fps in 400 gr) is only 100 fps more than commercial loads, but looks like 5,580 or so ft-lbs of energy -- looks a little hot... :eek:

Dan

crow_feather · « **Reply #47 on:** May 31, 2005, 05:58:00 AM »

jro45

I havta say that I'm more a 300/350 grain shooter. I have the Remington 350's with the swift A-frame for the bear in Idaho, and I shoot the Barnes 300 grain X for elk. If I were to go to Africa, I would take the 400 grain bullets and at 2500 fps, know that if I got eaten or trampled, it wasn't the rifle's fault.

I am probably wrong, usually am, but I hate to stress the rifle with max heavy loads unless I need them. Besides, it would probably kick the snot outta me.

The Rigby can beat the speed, but in the U. S. it would be extreme overkill.

I came across two Rifle magazines that have a two-part article on 63 grizzly bears killed, the rifles that killed them, and how many shots it took to get the job done. The results are extremely interesting.

C F

jro45 · « **Reply #48 on:** June 01, 2005, 02:09:59 AM »

Quote from: jro45

Crow Feather, I just read in the Noslers loading manual where you can load a 400gr partition bullet to go 2500 fps with the Rem 416 Mag. I thought that was real good for the Rem 416. What do you think?

That is a little hot. I meant that you can get close to 2500 fps with the partition 2485fps

gwindrider1 · « **Reply #49 on:** August 17, 2005, 02:01:03 PM »

DanP,

"Like a Walt Whitman poem, packed into a moment of recoil".

Damn, I like that! :grin: :grin: :grin:

DanP · « **Reply #50 on:** August 17, 2005, 02:23:48 PM »

Quote from: Lawdog

crow_feather,

Quote
Alliant reloading manual:

wght Rigby Rem
300 2590 2890
350 2455 2610
400 2360 2445

Accurate reloading manual:

wght Rigby Rem
400 2337 2449

Nice comparison but the data quoted for the Rigby is for older double rifles and not modern bolt actions. Factory Remington loads are loaded to near max levels where the factory Rigby loads are around 60%. When I was in the market for a .416 caliber I compared the Remington, Rigby and Weatherby versions. The Rigby can be loaded to close to Weatherby levels at pressure levels still less than the Remington. I am not saying that the .416 Remington isn't a good cartridge because it is. But Remington dropped it from their line and I don't believe it will last long in the Winchester offerings either. And when/if Winchester drops it that will spell the last for the Remington offering. Lawdog

I know this quote is old -- BUT, it is interesting it is for the sake of the old doubles that this diversity of loads is so weak for the .416 Rigby. REASON: the regulation of double rifles generally works only for particular loads (bullet weights and charges). Reason is the recoil tends to push the right barrel up and right, and the left barrel up and left -- so the alignment (regulation) of the barrels is slightly cross-eyed to put both bullets close to each other (I've seen lots of debate about exactly what "close" means -- or can mean with accuracy running about 3MOA). If you change the load, the alignment of the barrels doesn't do the job anymore.

Dan

DanP · « **Reply #51 on:** August 17, 2005, 02:25:57 PM »

Thanks, GWindrider!

Since I wrote that, I've found the Remington Custom Shop link. I figure they may have simply been reworking their website while they were bringing out their new line. The custom shop does provide rifles in .416 Rem, .458 Win, .375H&H, and (of course) .375RUM. Similarly, Winchester's custom shop now lists .375H&H, .416 Rigby and .416 Rem, .458 Win, and .458 Lott!! Great Stuff!

However, Remington does not produce any .458 win loads, nor does Winchester produce any loads for the .458 except for soft-nose.

Dan