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Offline jlk

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Anyone seen a Mountain Lion East of the Mis
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2004, 05:19:34 AM »
My son-in-law was in a treestand and it came within 40yds of him. He said he watched it out to about 200yds. He was hunting around some bluffs and the edge of a clearcut.
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« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2004, 02:45:40 PM »
My brother nearly hit a mt. lion with his car back in late august. He said it was long and thin with dark tan coat and some black markings. We are in southeast Michigan and there has been reports of them scattered around the state, but the dnr is still to stubborn to admit they exist, yet they go on to call them a protected species in the 2004 hunting guide book? :) the dnr makes me laugh all the time!!!

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« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2004, 02:43:34 AM »
Quote from: Prisoner's Anvil

I can't claim it myself..but my parents say they saw them and I believe them.

Time period on this sighting was mid-1980's. Clay County Mississippi, at a soybean field close to the Tombigbee Waterway, near Barton's Ferry. Nearest towns are either West Point or Columbus, Mississippi.


I live in Monroe County and I work in Columbus, which of course is in neighboring Lowndes County.

In February of this year, my wife nearly hit a cougar on Hwy 8 between Aberdeen and Hamilton.  She thought it was a bobcat until she saw the very long tail.  She said it was "a very big cat."

There are a lot of alleged "black panther" sightings in this area as well.  I've talked to a lot of folks that have seen them and most of the stories are very credible.  My own youngest brother even has a documented sighting from the Caledonia area.

As to the cats your parents saw, Prisoner's Anvil, my current employer has told me of seeing a cougar near Tibbee Creek which runs into the Tombigbee River between Columbus and West Point.  This, I believe was in the early to mid-eighties.

On a final note, I talked with a local game warden (who is a friend of mine) earlier this year about my wife's sighting.  He said he didn't think there was anything to the black panther sightings, but he laid claim to one cougar sighting for himself.  He said he had one cross a gravel road in front of him one day while he was out on patrol.  As you can imagine, that was quite a surprise even for a game warden.

They're here, whether we admit it or not.

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« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2004, 03:17:32 AM »
There was a Northeast Mountainlion Reporting site on the net and before it went down there were sightings from Maine in the Wells area along the coast,  In Mass. in the Sandisfield and Lee areas and many from Connecticut in New Milford,  Falls Village, Newtown, Southbury, Thomaston and Kent areas and some in Central Ct. too like in the Windsor area too.  I think there are more of these big cats than most think there is and time will tell as the populations grow too.       BigBill

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One along Interstate 88 in NY in 1999
« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2004, 06:33:51 PM »
I saw one along the interstate on my way from Philly to Ballston Spa in 1999.  It was either northern PA along 81 or in NY along 88.  I didn't know they were rare until reading this topic.
I grew up in PA and figured they were native, probably beacuse of the "Nittany Lions."  I'm serious.

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« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2005, 06:12:30 PM »
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As to the cats your parents saw, Prisoner's Anvil, my current employer has told me of seeing a cougar near Tibbee Creek which runs into the Tombigbee River between Columbus and West Point. This, I believe was in the early to mid-eighties.


Did someone say "Tibbee Creek"? I haven't heard that name in a long time. :-D

My parents will feel somewhat vindicated about their "cat story" after I tell them about your post. I had an opportunity to talk with them over the Christmas holidays and somehow the topic of "big cats" came up. Once again, the parents told the story of their sighting, but added a couple of details that I had gotten wrong or forgotten. I wish I had seen your post before I spoke with them. They would have enjoyed knowing that other people have seen them around.

One detail they added was that the cats were different colors. One was a blackish grey color. The other was the standard tannish brown color.
Most of the other details didn't vary much from earlier tellings they have subjected/informed people about.

The game warden surprises me. I'm not surprised he saw something but I am surprised he admitted it. I was under the impression that they weren't allowed to mention strange or non-native animals that might be in the woods to avoid causing panic. A circus tiger that escapes might cause guys to miss hunting season. The State can't afford that.  :grin:  

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my wife nearly hit a cougar on Hwy 8 between Aberdeen and Hamilton.

I think it's hard for some people to realize just how much woods we have in Mississippi.  I've often looked from the top of a hill while driving in Mississippi and been struck by how far woods will stretch. Oftentimes it looks like the woods stretch from horizon to horizon. Combine that with the alusive nature of mountain lions, and you've got a situation tailor made for hiding a large predator. The cat's natural instinct is to avoid man. I've heard this mentioned by several hunters from out West who've told me they NEVER see mountain lions unless actively hunting them...usually with dogs.

My father had a theory about why he hasn't seen any "panthers" (as he calls them) lately. He theorized that they've been killed off by packs of Coy Dogs (coyote-dog cross breeds) that have been running in packs around Clay county for a few years now. He feels like the Coys would have treed any big cats and attacked them as a group. Not sure I buy that theory although I have seen very large packs of Coys running the fields at night. I'll use your wife's February sighting as proof the cats are still around when next I talk to him.

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« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2005, 02:52:14 AM »
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My parents will feel somewhat vindicated about their "cat story" after I tell them about your post.... I wish I had seen your post before I spoke with them. They would have enjoyed knowing that other people have seen them around.


I have to make a correction to my post.  I went back and asked my boss about the cat he saw and he said it was the early seventies, not the eighties, when he saw the cat.  Still, I think it vindicates your parents' story regardless.

And, this brings to mind another story I heard from a very well known and well respected local turkey hunter I talked to this past year.  I asked this gentleman if he'd ever seen a panther, black or otherwise, over the years.  He said no, and then added he didn't know what to think of black panther sightings that were so numerous around our area.

Then, he surprised me by saying that he had seen two "Mississippi panthers" that had been killed by a man from - get this - West Point.  When I asked him what a "Mississippi panther" was (I'd never heard of such a thing), he said that they looked very similar to bobcats but had long tails instead of short ones.  He said he'd never heard of them either until he'd seen them laying in the back of this man's truck.

As you can imagine, I was quite perplexed by this.  But, a few weeks later, I ran across a picture of some cougar kittens on the internet and it occurred to me that perhaps that is what he saw laying in the back of that man's truck.  The cougar kittens I saw a picture of had markings that were similar to that of a bobcat, but they had long tails.

Hmmmm...makes ya think, doesn't it?

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« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2005, 03:11:31 AM »
Guys these are one of the most elusive animals out there.  Most mountainlion seekers/lookers say there isn't any because everytime they walk in the woods they don't see them.  All I can say is to go in the snow and you will see what i mean(if you have snow) there will be tracks to show there around.  Where the deer are during hunting season you'll find mountainlion tracks in the winter.  We once had a northeast mountainlion reporting site and there was reports from all over the northeast like from CT,  Mass,  Vermont and Maine too.  There were many reports from the western site of CT. from Newtown,CT up thru the Housatonic area to Falls Village,Ct.  many sightings.  My point is if you don't see them it doesn't mean you don't have any around you so becareful!!!!!     BigBill

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« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2005, 05:55:56 PM »
I'll have to ask my father about the possiblity of it being a Mississippi bobcat. I did mention that I had told his story on a website and that other people were saying they've seen mountain lions around the area too. He'll probably call me in a few days to tell me that he's started the "North East Mississippi Big Cats Perservation Society" or some such thing. :)  

On the issue of the long tailed bobcat, I think that my dad would have recognized two bobcats even with long tails.  I say this because he often told the (soon-all-too-boring) story of the time he was "treed" by a bobcat.

Basically he was in a tree stand and had a bobcat walk to the bottom of the tree stand and look up at him. Hardly as dramatic as his "big cat" sightings. As soon as he moved, the bobcat jumped back then looked at my father for a few minutes, wandered a short distance away then ran off. My father contemplated shooting it, and would have done so if it had begun to climb the tree, but elected instead to hold off and wait for deer. Something that the family could eat. (Anyone remember the Jimmy Carter years with stagflation? No jobs and high inflation rates? I remember it because we never had enough to eat. Dad did a lot of meat hunting those years.) He's seen most of the animals that our state has to offer and a couple of animals that biologist tell us don't, or can't, live here.

Unlike his bobcat story, his "Big Cat Story" has the benefit of a witness in the form of my mother who can testify that the whole affair was real and not brought on by some type of wilderness buck fever. Her descriptions are in some ways more vivid than my father's. She describes movement and colors. My Dad describes distances, angles, and what he believes to be the size. My mom indicates the critters were more "mountain lion colored" or "black panther colored" than bobcat colored. We've all of us seen bobcats in the woods at one time or another in our lives and could identify them. I will admit I've never seen the version with a long tail. That could very well throw me off for a quick identification.

My own cat story involves a bobcat that was being chased by a pack of dogs. This took place near the Bryan Food cattle range area on the way to Barton Ferry. Probably a couple of miles from my father's big cat sighting.

Driving toward the south, I saw a bobcat shoot out of the woods on the left side of the road (Douglas Lake Road) and cross the road in front of me....hauling A** across the bare cattle field on the right side of the road. About two seconds behind him was a big German shepard type white colored dog. Definately not a wolf, but similar looking. Behind GermanoWolf was about eight or ten hound type dogs. Some semi big...most about beagle size. Most of them looked like mutts. But they could run...I'll grant them all that. I stopped the truck and just watched them all run across the field, headed toward another stand of trees across the open field. I always wondered if Mr. Bobcat made it. He had a nice lead on them and pretty good speed but he was seriously outnumbered.
One ironic and slightly bizarre image from that chase is still in my mind even all these years later. When the cat was running away from the dogs, he passed within a hundred or two hundred yards of a modern brick home that sits on the west side of this road. The house is "backwards" in that the rear of the house faces the road and it's "front" is the backside of the house. What struck me odd was seeing a pack of dogs chasing a cat...probably a scene that has played out since before the time Man ever learned to use tools....juxtaposed with an image of a modern brick home complete with giant satellite dish. Sort of a "the more things change; the more they stay the same" sort of moment. It makes me feel as if I'm stretching through Time or something when I think about seeing something that Indians probably saw when they crossed over from Asia.

My father reminded me of my story when he was promoting his CoyDog theory to explain the continued Non-Sighting of "his" Big Cats. I told him that he doesn't see them because they know his smell and have learned to associate Brill Cream and Old Spice with danger.  :-D  :twisted:  He didn't appriciate that comment.

As an aside, someone really ought to write a book on just what all people CLAIM to have seen in Clay County Mississippi. So far, I've heard three black bear stories (possible but unlikely), numerous cat stories, some bigfoot stories (some very reputable sources on these stories), 965 Post Death Elvis sightings (he did sing here in his youth at local clubs), about 8000 glowing disk/flying saucer reports but the one I've heard of recently is the best. "Goat legged man with red eyes drinking from the Tombigbee River" story. I'll never camp at Barton Ferry again now that I've heard that story. :grin:

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« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2005, 02:29:31 PM »
Seen  one in Florida

Thats 30  years in the  woods

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« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2005, 11:12:51 AM »
Prisoner's Anvil,

I've had a couple of really cool experiences with bobcats recently.  This year, I began taking my Sony Handycam with me everytime I go to the woods to hunt.  I usually mount it on one of those Gorilla (R) Camera Arms that straps to the tree.

One afternoon, I was up in a pine tree in Lowndes County waiting for two does to mosey into bow range when I checked the trail behind me.  To my surprise, there were two half-grown bobcats actually playing and pouncing on each other.  Unfortunately, they disappeared into the brush before I could turn my camera on them.

Two days later, I got a second chance.  While hunting behind my house in Monroe County, I filmed a pair of the largest bobcats I've ever seen, at least in the wild.  I at first thought they were deer when I saw them, but after turning my camera on them, I quickly realized that they were large bobcats.  The one in the lead was nearly as tall as my Yellow Lab.  Huge cat!

As to your statement regarding black bears being seen in Clay County, there could actually be something to that.  About three months ago, I got my hands on a newsletter that is put out by Weyerhaeuser for its land leasors and hunting club members.  It had an article on black bears in Mississippi along with a map of recent confirmed or documented sightings.

There were many sightings in south central Mississippi, but the one that caught my eye was a bit closer to home - on the line dividing Monroe and Lowndes County, approximately between Hamilton and Caledonia.