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Arms race
« on: September 04, 2025, 06:32:03 PM »
Is the USA falling behind China. I have run into a number of doom and gloom articles that focus on China’s production of new warships, stealth aircraft, submarines, etc. I have always felt that what we produce is superior to what China fields. I hope that is still the case.

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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2025, 11:48:53 PM »
Joe "Hiden" Biden put the Un-United States military in the queer tank for 4 years. The Un-USA is behind in a lot of areas.
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2025, 04:26:30 AM »
  The USA was rated by almost everyone as the #1 military power in 2024...and Pres Trump hasn't hurt it any !

  In fact, he has improved it a great deal, by allowing his Defense secretary (now, secretary of war) to do a great job of cleaning out the 'dead wood" of
     LGBTQ...WDWX$#(V@, and turning our military into a more pro active, and ready force.

   ..Plus, keep in mind..when speaking of armaments, it is not so much quantity (even though we lead numerically, in almost every field)..our quality is where we truly stand out !

  Then, there is the experience.  Our NCOs, who are actually the core of any tactical operation ... are right now, far more experienced that any other major power,
  excluding Ukraine and Russia.

  Then there is logistics.  We can move a powerful force (82nd airborne etc.) to any point of the globe within 24 hours, plus keep ammo and supplies flowing in a way
   most militaries only wish they could.

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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2025, 01:10:31 PM »
Does the USA have the industrial power to build military hardware should the need arise?

All the liberal left wants to do is tout how great China is.  What they don't want you to see is how bad China really is.
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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2025, 03:31:19 PM »
Does the USA have the industrial power to build military hardware should the need arise?

All the liberal left wants to do is tout how great China is.  What they don't want you to see is how bad China really is.

China is our enemy.
The liberal left are a much bigger enemy as they are already under the wire…

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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2025, 02:08:08 AM »
Does the USA have the industrial power to build military hardware should the need arise?

All the liberal left wants to do is tout how great China is.  What they don't want you to see is how bad China really is.

China is our enemy.
The liberal left are a much bigger enemy as they are already under the wire…

  "The enemy within" ?

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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2025, 02:35:48 AM »
  With today's technology, drones and possibly things floating around in space we don't even know about. The only reason conventional ships, planes, tanks and such still matter are for smaller wars, Israel, Ukraine and the like. Pretty sure, the leaders of China, Russia, India know, if any one of the major country's start a major conflicts, game over for everyone. The enemy within, will be the biggest problem. Over 40,000 Muslims in Dearborn, Obama put over 27,000 in Minnesota when he was in office. How many are living in Texas? I'm not saying we shouldn't stay on top of things with our military, but I honestly think, if the SHTF, it will start here, in country.
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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2025, 03:04:12 AM »
Muslims are taking over England already.  The rape and they slap them on the wrist.  Make a meme or say something about it on social media and they arrest you and put you in jail for 3-5 years. 
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2025, 09:00:56 AM »
Muslims are taking over England already.  They rape and they slap them on the wrist.  Make a meme or say something about it on social media and they arrest you and put you in jail for 3-5 years.

That was gearing up here under bidens regime and would have escalated under camel la.
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2025, 11:17:59 AM »
Muslims are taking over England already.  They rape and they slap them on the wrist.  Make a meme or say something about it on social media and they arrest you and put you in jail for 3-5 years.

That was gearing up here under bidens regime and would have escalated under camel la.

   Yes, things are heating up in "old Blighty".  The natives are  very tired of the preferences shown to the invaders.  Just as Mule said, the globalists are doing the same crap that Obama has been doing here..(yes, Biden is a cipher).

   
   I am surprised that this is not more discussed here. Fact is France, Germany and some other west European powers are not far behind.

   Some may ask..."what do I care if Europe blows up?"  If any first world nation goes into a serious internal conflict, it has reverberations world wide.  If 3-4 major powers in west Europe were to do so, it could set the world on fire..

    Perhaps we have been afforded a Heavenly plea deal, by electing Pres Trump, or we may have been in the same fix at this time  !

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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2025, 11:45:11 AM »
Its ironically laughable to even consider that God has any interest in worldly politics. England will not pull out of their spiril into being conquered by Islam. They  don't have the heart, and never have. They historically put off setting things right until their country is irr-retrivable. They exist now only by the grace of God, whom provided them escape through WWI, then closely followed again by WWII, by a then strong United States.
But the then strong United States, has also went into decline, and is now becoming as divided as Europe. Everyone on one side has put their hopes on one man to solve all their problems, but now there's another side almost as big, and growing, and England, along with the rest of Europe, is a preliminary view of the now Un-United States.
While Trump attempts to set the Un-United States back on its feet, he at the same time is attempting get Europe to help themselves. WWI, and WWII, should be proof to anyone payin attention, they cannot, and will not.
With over 200 Executive Orders to date, smaller courts with no jurisdiction, continue to shut his efforts down.
This isn't going to go away, and in 3 years, while everyone sits back and watches, hoping one man will fix it all. Who's gonna replace him? England has set themselves up to fall, and collectively, so have we. JMO,

Gods description of "Ishmael" was dead on accurate, and his prodigy are following his example. The question has never been "if", it has always been "how long it will take".
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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2025, 12:23:46 PM »
Dee, I can't completely disagree with you, but that is a very bleak assessment.  Will things get worse?  Certainly a good chance of that.  But, I believe that when it gets bad enough, people will rise up and fix it.  That's been the history of mankind for ages.
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2025, 12:29:09 PM »
From Dee;

   " But the then strong United States, has also went into decline, and is now becoming as divided as Europe."
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  Small point.. Part of the trouble with today's Europe, is their united Europe.  Forming the EU, was one huge mistake !  Those countries placed their national fates with
  a mob of politicians, dictating nearly all details of their lives from Brussels.

  Yes you're right on with your citation of Ishmael..

   12 And he [Ishmael] will be as a wild ass among men; his hand will be against every man and every man’s hand against him, and he will live to the east and on the borders of all his kinsmen.  (Genesis 16:12)

  ..And if they don't have somebody else to fight with..they will go ahead and fight with each other !

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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2025, 03:16:30 PM »
Dee, I can't completely disagree with you, but that is a very bleak assessment.  Will things get worse?  Certainly a good chance of that.  But, I believe that when it gets bad enough, people will rise up and fix it.  That's been the history of mankind for ages.

And that would be a civil war. Does that sound like getting better? Not to me. Every war that this country has ever won, was won by men raised in an agricultural environment, that knew what hard times, and hard work were all about. That group of men are either dead, or too old to fight. I look a law enforcement  nowadays, and all I here and see is unprepared men, and women trying to be manly hollerin tazer, tazer, tazer. Most won't fight, and don't know how when they're forced into one.
This is not the country that it was 50 years ago, and it certainly isn't the country it was 75 years ago.

As my statement below says: Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good  times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.

Have you not noticed the colored hair, facial jewelry, and tattoos walking around with their headphones? They're not gonna save us. They don't even know where the spare tire is.
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Re: Arms race
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2025, 04:58:48 AM »
As I said on another thread, Muslims are trying to take over Europe.  I also kind of believe the Anti-Christ will be a very popular Muslim.  That is how Christianity will be persecuted.
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Re: Arms race
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2025, 05:56:48 AM »
Is the USA falling behind China. I have run into a number of doom and gloom articles that focus on China’s production of new warships, stealth aircraft, submarines, etc. I have always felt that what we produce is superior to what China fields. I hope that is still the case.
The net is full of such articles that use such headline to get readers.

I have seen similar articles bragging up U.S. arms to such silly standards. (Also a few for some Euro arms.)

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Re: Arms race
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2025, 07:26:04 AM »
Thank you, all, for your posts.

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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2025, 04:03:16 AM »
The problem with America is we have put too much trust into expensive high tech weapons.  Kind of like NAZI Germany.  We need good enough low cost weapons that can be mass produced.  In WWII we produced about 8 Sherman tanks for every one Tiger tank.  Then when we put the 76mm cannon on them, they could penetrate the Tiger.  They were faster, easier to build, easier to work on.  Same with fighter planes.  The Germans developed the 262 Jet.  It could have turned the tide of the air war.  Hitler wanted it to be a bomber and delayed it's intended purpose for about 2 years of being a fighter, thus it didn't appear until 1945 too late.  We on the other hand produced a B-24 liberator an hour at the Ford River Rouge plant. 

Is America becoming like NAZI Germany military wise.  Large 10 billion dollar aircraft carriers can possibly be sunk by a swarm of drones.  Should be build more smaller carriers?  Should we mass produce cheaper tanks or robotic tanks?  Robotic planes.  The new stealth fighers are about 10 times as expensive as F15's and F18's.  Are they worth it?  Would more cheaper fighters be better to overwhelm an enemy? 

Also, the military has contracted out a lot of work the regular military once did, like food service, even doing maintenance on weapons and equipment engines.  Having a large manpower base would help if they are needed to fight.  During the relief of Bastogne  my dad was a mechanic in the 3rd Army under Patton.  He had to take up arms along with cooks, etc, to help in the relief. 

Just saying, not enough manpower. 
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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2025, 08:54:20 AM »
Daniel 4 verse 17:

“‘The decision is announced by messengers, the holy ones declare the verdict, so that the living may know that the Most High is sovereign over all kingdoms on earth and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them the lowliest of people.’
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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2025, 11:42:33 AM »
Its been predicted that WWIII will be fought with sticks and rocks.
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Re: Arms race
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2025, 02:05:04 PM »
“  Large 10 billion dollar aircraft carriers can possibly be sunk by a swarm of drones. “
You are not the only one to wonder about that.
Do you, or anyone else, have a sense of how that could be done ?!

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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2025, 06:04:06 PM »
“  Large 10 billion dollar aircraft carriers can possibly be sunk by a swarm of drones. “
You are not the only one to wonder about that.
Do you, or anyone else, have a sense of how that could be done ?!

The ship wouldn't have to be sunk.  A carrier isn't much of a warship without the air wing on board. A good-sized "fleet" of drones with explosives embedded, programmed to target any motion on board the ship could be quite effective at negating it's capabilities.  One drone impacting any moving aircraft would take that plane out of the fight before it ever launched.  Flight deck crew have to move, and would thus be targeted.  Shoot, even the rotational motion of the Phalanx system could be targeted, and thus damaged.

Just tonight, I watched "Angel Has Fallen", and that premise was a swarm drone attack on the President.  The drones were small, along with the charges, but "death by a thousand paper cuts" isn't outside the realm of possibility.

Just a theoretical discussion.....Roger

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« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2025, 11:58:25 PM »
So, what’s the best way to take down drones?

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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2025, 03:32:13 AM »
So, what’s the best way to take down drones?

Seems to me that broad-spectrum, blanket RF jamming would be the way to go.  That, however, would effect ALL RF in the area, not just the drones.
Wait......that wouldn't work for pre-programmed drones....only remotely controlled drones.
Maybe a local-zone EMP generator, but again, that's "blanket" coverage affecting everyone in the zone.

A more "peaceful" solution would be to just stop buying or using them.  I suppose individual states, and even nations could outlaw them as nuisance hazards detrimental to the security of that nation.  (That would be a tough battle to get it passed.)

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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2025, 04:03:39 AM »
This is starting to look and sound like fantasy football. :)
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« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2025, 05:42:45 AM »
Ukraine has made home made drones that sunk a Russian ship using a small boat with a bomb on board remote controlled via a Starlink antenna on board.  We bought a Starlink mobile.  Antenna is about as big as a notebook.  Works great streaming the internet.  Better than I expected.  Going to use it on a travel trailer.  It can be mounted on a glass sun or moon roof in a vehicle with suction cups to allow you to get internet while driving. 

So, saying that, yeah not hard to make a lot of small drones, either flying or small boats to attack airports, ships, even a remote controlled tank being smaller not having to have humans on board.  Army is now using flying drones to fly over a village to check for possible enemy combatants.  Some of these small drones look like birds gliding.  Some as small as a dragonfly with cameras to see what is going on.  High flying drones are now used to fire missiles at an enemy.  If the high flying drone is stealthy, would not be picked up on radar.  So, big tanks, ships, and planes, could be shot down, bombed, etc, by someone sitting in the Pentagon watching a TV screen and using a joystick to control it.  Oh, and the Air Force is working on drones that can fly like a flock of birds.  Cheaply made that can attack a target.  Hard to shoot down the whole flock. 

I think we should build more smaller aircraft carriers that can go through the Panama Canal, like the carriers of WWII.  A small carrier can carry about 20-30 fighter planes.  Japan recently built two carriers that can carry 20 F-35's an a few helicopters.  Our large carriers can carry 80-90 planes.  So, build 4 smaller ones to replace one big one.  Also build more stealth shaped destroyers to protect the carriers.  Automate the ships as much as possible to have minimum crews.  Oh, the Navy is experimenting with smaller stealth fighter planes that can fly and fight without a pilot. 

In WWII, by the wars end, we had over 5,000 ships, all of which could get through the Panama Canal.  About 25 aircraft carriers, 25 battle ships, the rest cruisers, destroyers, submarines, PT boats, and landing craft.  After the angled nuclear powered aircraft carriers took over almost all were scrapped.  They did try to refit and bring back into service the 4 largest battleships during the Reagan administration.  Should have refit them again with more modern computers.  By the 1980's no one had a missile or anything short of a nuclear weapon to sink one of our battleships.  We need to build them this way again.  Even a drone would only scratch the paint off. 
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« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2025, 07:28:59 AM »
So, what’s the best way to take down drones?
Use methods the Ukrainians used.

Ukraine uses M2 Browning machine guns (designed in WWI) and Maxim machine guns (used in WWI) to stop drones, often mounting them on trucks and equipping them with modern modifications like optics. The M2 is a powerful .50 caliber heavy machine gun, while the Maxim is an older, water-cooled gun that has been adapted for modern use.
M2 Browning machine gun

    Origin:
    Designed by John Browning in 1918 at the end of World War I, but entered service closer to World War II.

Usage:
Mounted on the backs of civilian trucks and used in mobile air defense units against slow-moving drones like the Russian Shahed.

Maxim machine gun
    Origin: A weapon prominently used in World War I,
              with the Russian Army using a version called the PM M1910.

Usage:
Used against both frontal assaults and, with modifications, for drone defense.
Modifications:
Modern optics, suppressors, and anti-aircraft mounts are added to improve effectiveness against modern targets.
Reason:
Considered reliable and easy to use, with a water-cooling system to prevent overheating.
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      To Stop Killer Drones, Ukraine Upgrades Ancient Flak Guns With Consumer Cameras And Tablets

                       https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienroblin/2022/12/11/to-stop-killer-drones-ukraine-upgrades-ancient-flak-guns-with-consumer-cameras-and-tablets/

                     
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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2025, 07:46:51 AM »
“just stop buying or using them.  I suppose individual states, and even nations could outlaw them as nuisance hazards detrimental to the security of that nation”
Yeah…..that’ll work.

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« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2025, 09:06:19 AM »
I was thinking, give a shotgun and some 00 buck to my neighbor.

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« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2025, 02:20:44 PM »
Yeah…..that’ll work.

Now, DG....I didn't say it was a realistic or practical option, but it is an option.

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