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Interesting perspective..
« on: April 28, 2025, 04:14:48 AM »
  ..At least that is how I see it !
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Re: Interesting perspective..
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2025, 12:29:03 AM »
Obviously none of the participants had read the scriptures about Abraham listening to his wife instead of God. His illegitimate son Ishmael was the beginning of Islam so nobody in the joke knew what they were talking about concerning  Islam. 8)
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2025, 04:08:20 PM »
What else is interesting is there were also no Jews after 70 AD (just shy of 2000 years ago). Fewer than 100,000 Judeans were left after the utter destruction of Jerusalem, many of them had intermarried with Edomites, and they were scattered and banned by Rome from returning. Josephus records that Jesus prophecy of the 7 demons returning to the empty house came true after the 2nd temple was emptied by His death. Judah fell into depravity worse than Sodom, Gomorrah or the days of Noah - its as if 7000 devils entered the temple, according to Josephus, a Jew who was alive at the time and recorded the history. They subsequently abandoned the Torah for the Talmud, and have not practiced Godly worship since (their history, not my words). Christians should probably read the Talmud since that is the primary text of modern Judaism.

Between the disappearance of the 10 tribes with God's judgement on the northern kingdom of Israel, and the final judgment (as prophesied by Jesus multiple times) of Judah in 70 AD, it's no wonder fewer than 2% of Israelis today have even a trace of Hebrew blood, according to their own DNA studies. According to that same study, palestinians had a higher percentage of hebrew/semitic blood than most Israelis. So if we're basing it off religion, or blood, its a crap shoot.

At least as Christians we know that the promise was always by faith, not blood; that the sons of Abraham are sons of faith, who like Abraham looked forward to the promise of Jesus, and we are counted amongst them if we live by faith today. There will be no Jews or Muslims in the new Jerusalem, only Christians.
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Re: Interesting perspective..
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2025, 04:24:31 PM »
What else is interesting is there were also no Jews after 70 AD (just shy of 2000 years ago). Fewer than 100,000 Judeans were left after the utter destruction of Jerusalem, many of them had intermarried with Edomites, and they were scattered and banned by Rome from returning. Josephus records that Jesus prophecy of the 7 demons returning to the empty house came true after the 2nd temple was emptied by His death. Judah fell into depravity worse than Sodom, Gomorrah or the days of Noah - its as if 7000 devils entered the temple, according to Josephus, a Jew who was alive at the time and recorded the history. They subsequently abandoned the Torah for the Talmud, and have not practiced Godly worship since (their history, not my words). Christians should probably read the Talmud since that is the primary text of modern Judaism.

Between the disappearance of the 10 tribes with God's judgement on the northern kingdom of Israel, and the final judgment (as prophesied by Jesus multiple times) of Judah in 70 AD, it's no wonder fewer than 2% of Israelis today have even a trace of Hebrew blood, according to their own DNA studies. According to that same study, palestinians had a higher percentage of hebrew/semitic blood than most Israelis. So if we're basing it off religion, or blood, its a crap shoot.

At least as Christians we know that the promise was always by faith, not blood; that the sons of Abraham are sons of faith, who like Abraham looked forward to the promise of Jesus, and we are counted amongst them if we live by faith today. There will be no Jews or Muslims in the new Jerusalem, only Christians.

Good post.

Many believe that the jews have a separate plan of salvation than we Christians.
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Re: Interesting perspective..
« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 11:11:10 AM »
  Almost all scholars agree that the religion of Islam was  invented by Muhammad circa 6290nAD..

   Most accept the account of the Arabic tribes (descendants of Ishmael), prior to the forced conversions by Muhammad's armies, were polytheistic,
  with their primary or dominant god, being the moon god Hubal*, represented by the crescent moon.

  In fact, as muhammad 's religion was developed, the creescent moon was accepted as the sign for Allah..

   Muhammad borrowed heavily from the Bible, both the OT and the NT.    Curiously, a star was added to the crescent moon logo, since Muhammad claimed that when he was born in Mecca..a star appeared over the town. (Hmmm...wonder where he got that idea from?)

   So far as the Jews.. Yes it appears that the Sephardic Jews have more of the original DNA than the Ashkenazi Jews, I doubt they are devoid of true
 Jewish roots.
   Let's consider; I know many people here in America whan asked about their ethnicity, will say..I am Polish, I am German, I am Mexican or French..
  That doesn't mean they are 100% of any of those ethnicities.  Consider the Mexican..often the blend of Spanish and native North American.

  An Englishman could have any of a mixture of Celtic, Norman, Anglo Saxon or Scandanavian.

  Then too, when the Romans scattered the Jews in 70 AD, they primarily killed or drove off the inhabitants of Jerusalem and other major towns located in Judah. 

  It is naturally in doubt that they scoured every village and rural location for last remnants....and there seems to be no record that the Romans carried inhabitants of Judah away, just to redistribute them.  So there was likely a substantial number left, as most likely fled to avoid further harrassment by the Romans..who finished their destruction at Masada in 73 AD..

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Culture and Religion in Pre-Islamic Arabia | World Civilization
Yes, before the advent of Islam, many Arab tribes worshipped a moon god, particularly in Mecca, where Hubal was a prominent deity associated with the Kaaba. The crescent moon, a symbol of this worship, is still seen today on top of minarets at the Kaaba and on mosques worldwide. Hubal, along with other gods and goddesses, was a part of a polytheistic religion that existed in pre-Islamic Arabia.
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Hubal and the Kaaba:
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Hubal was a central figure in the pre-Islamic Arabian religious landscape, particularly in Mecca. The Kaaba, a sacred shrine in Mecca, housed Hubal's idol, and he was considered the chief deity among the 360 gods worshipped there.
Moon God Worship:
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The moon was a significant celestial body in pre-Islamic Arabian culture, with its cyclical nature associated with fertility, prosperity, and the renewal of life. Hubal and the moon god were linked through rituals, including offerings made during the full moon to secure blessings.
Allah and Pre-Islamic Beliefs:
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The name "Allah" itself, now associated with the God of Islam, was used by pre-Islamic Arabs as a generic term for "the god," referring to the supreme deity of their polytheistic pantheon. While Hubal was a prominent moon god, the term "Allah" could also refer to other deities, and it's debated whether Hubal was the primary god.


  The Kaaba is the ancient seat of the pre-Islamic gods;
 
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Re: Interesting perspective..
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 12:51:37 PM »
  Almost all scholars agree that the religion of Islam was  invented by Muhammad circa 6290nAD..
 




I would refer you to Genesis Chapter 16, 17, 28, concerning Abrahams' illigitiment son Ishmael he had with Hagar. And Ishmaels description and demeanor.

God in scripture was trying to tell you something way beyond those so called "Bible scholars" selling books to eager buyers.
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Re: Interesting perspective..
« Reply #6 on: Today at 02:35:04 AM »
  Almost all scholars agree that the religion of Islam was  invented by Muhammad circa 6290nAD..
 

  I would refer you to Genesis Chapter 16, 17, 28, concerning Abrahams' illigitiment son Ishmael he had with Hagar. And Ishmaels description and demeanor.

God in scripture was trying to tell you something way beyond those so called "Bible scholars" selling books to eager buyers.

    Of course, those "scholars" have read and intensively studied the Bible, most for their whole lives. ..Plus they extended their studies far beyond the Bible itself. They delve into many other fields as well, studies such as genealogy, archaeology, history, anthropology, paleo studies etc, etc.

  Yes there are disagreements among them...chiefly between minimalists and maximalists, but IMO.. it is our chore to sort them out, using God's word as our standard.

   e.g.  1Corinthians 12:14   2Timothy 2;15

  New, concrete finds are being made almost daily, finds which support the recieved text.. Exciting finds such as the following.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX3TH_nfgLo

     Just my $.02..take it or trash it.... it matters not to me !

If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Interesting perspective..
« Reply #7 on: Today at 03:18:56 AM »

  I would refer you to Genesis Chapter 16, 17, 28, concerning Abrahams' illigitiment son Ishmael he had with Hagar. And Ishmaels description and demeanor.

God in scripture was trying to tell you something way beyond those so called "Bible scholars" selling books to eager buyers.

    using God's word as our standard.

 Bible scholars make a living selling books, to book readers. Jmtcw
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« Reply #8 on: Today at 05:21:02 AM »

  I would refer you to Genesis Chapter 16, 17, 28, concerning Abrahams' illigitiment son Ishmael he had with Hagar. And Ishmaels description and demeanor.

God in scripture was trying to tell you something way beyond those so called "Bible scholars" selling books to eager buyers.

    using God's word as our standard.

 Bible scholars make a living selling books, to book readers. These book book readers  spend as much,
Or more  time  reading  books  than  the d the Bible. Ive always suspected that they are trying to get enough other opinions to convince themselves  that the Bible is true, and factual. Jmtcw
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