NYC Catholic Priest Leads Vows Rejecting White Privilege During Mass

[Bob Riebe]

People have been kicked out for asinine snide remarks.
This place was free of it; take such an attitude to the other forum.
Thank you.

[Dee]

People have been kicked out for asinine snide remarks.
This place was free of it; take such an attitude to the other forum.
Thank you.

I'm still waiting on somebody to comment on the actual topic. They've commented on everything but the actual topic.

That would of course, include a non-moderator, trying to moderate. 

[Bob Riebe]

Probably because there is no such thing as white priviledge.
It is a creation of the DNC black asses who know how to use fear for power.

[Dee]

Well apparently this priest disagrees with both of us, and is indoctrinating his white congregation to be repentant of being born white.

[Mule 11]

Apparently it is OK to be anti white but not anti any other nationality... That is what I’d define as racism...

[Land_Owner]

It will be interesting in the weeks ahead to see if the congregation gets larger or smaller in that parish church.  Some will stalwartly remain in the congregation.  It is set in their eyes.  They are there because of their "obligation" and many in that vein are barely participating.  Were it not for their involuntary reflexes, I think many of these participants would cease to exist.

Some will go to another parish church for a while.  Some will contact the Bishop.  Others, not needing much of an excuse, will quit and claim "Covid rules".  Others will flock to that church to hear more.

Personally, I would give it one more week and after that be looking for another parish church or staying home.  Those politics do not align with mine and I take no oath to the contrary.  You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink.

[Lloyd Smale]

yes it will because ALL priests answer to there bishop and do not have the freedom to talk politics unless the bishop gives them that right. My guess is the bishop just like you is waiting to see the reaction and hoping that reaction steers that priest back to right. personaly id be going to another parish until they replaced him. I know im suppose to forgive his mistakes but if he said it he believes it and i couldnt sit in a church knowing the priest thought like that. I expect this kind of liberal free will in a methodist chruch but not in a catholic parish.

It will be interesting in the weeks ahead to see if the congregation gets larger or smaller in that parish church.  Some will stalwartly remain in the congregation.  It is set in their eyes.  They are there because of their "obligation" and many in that vein are barely participating.  Were it not for their involuntary reflexes, I think many of these participants would cease to exist.

Some will go to another parish church for a while.  Some will contact the Bishop.  Others, not needing much of an excuse, will quit and claim "Covid rules".  Others will flock to that church to hear more.

Personally, I would give it one more week and after that be looking for another parish church or staying home.  Those politics do not align with mine and I take no oath to the contrary.  You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink.

[Lloyd Smale]

Bob its going to happen every where and every time religion is talked about. Ive said it a thousand times on here. Religion has no place on a fourm like this. But I understand politics and religion stir up the post counts. But take it to the other forum? I think the only ones who will tell me or for that matter anyone that, are Matt and Bill or the moderator of a section and i believe Bill is the moderator of this section. If someone is stepping  over his line hes sure not afraid to say so. I think he expects all of us to come here with our big boy pants on and to tell it like it is. Might hurt those a bit to sensitive but then maybe neither greybeard sights are for those. I can steer you to sites that will give you a 30 day ban for saying dam or crap or arguing your side of a discussion if it flys in the face of a moderator if thats where youd be more at home. But one things for sure. As long as religion is discussed there will be heated  fights and hard feelings. Same goes for politics. Luckily in that aspect theres only two different sides. Conservative republican's and idiot liberals. We get a couple of the later here but there pretty rare. 

People have been kicked out for asinine snide remarks.
This place was free of it; take such an attitude to the other forum.
Thank you.

[Graybeard]

I really didn't want to include religious discussion here but gave in to tho who want to talk about it and also to do it here. Yes I am the moderator and sole determiner of what is allowed and isn't on this forum.

I've tried allowing several folks to moderate religious discussion and none were able to do so in an even handed and unbiased way. Since I don't participate in the religious discussions, I'm on the outside looking in at the posts and can better judge them against the rules rather than my personal views.

Since Matt has no advertisers and no one is paying per page view and no ads so no pay per ad view, page views really don't mean much here. But we would like to see participation increase overall here on the new site.

Charlie aka Powderman and Bugeye are two of the members I set the religious forum up for and now it seems neither of them wish to be here. Some others who seem to always like to talk religion also don't seem to be taking part.

[Dee]

Almost nuthin has bee been said about the priest, or "white privilege" in this thread.
One wanted to talk about the RCC, and the pope, one about catholic bashing.
And some said profound statements like; here we go again.

This "new doctrine" called "white privilege" is being talked about in every corner of the country.

It could, and probably will occur in a Baptist church, and a Methodist one, and so on.

"White privilege" is the "ISSUE"!

To think that folks here could not see that on their on (even with a little coaxing) I find sadly amazing.

White privilege is leaking into every crack and crevice of our lives and 99% here missed that point here, even with me constantly pointing it out.

Instead, most were like yard dogs, hunkering down, snarling, and protecting their little piece of the bone, with the most important piece laying in the yard untouched "white privilege".
This illustrates how small everyones little bitty individual world really is.

This is not about religion, its about indoctrination.

Clearly this reality can only be discussed in a "rigid environment" with no "distractions" such as a ONE single catholic priest.

That one catholic priest sent everyone spiraling into argument protecting "their religious belief",or "their religious opinions", while letting the real issue "white privilege" and this "one priest" escape the discussion, and remain untouched.

Truly amazingly, over their heads, and "so easily",  and "so unintentionally" disguised.

[oldandslow]

OK, I  made the profound statement about here we go again. The thread immediately degenerated into something like a group of third grade school kids arguing about everything but what the original subject was just as so many did on the other GBO. I hoped that it wouldn't appear here but was dumb enough not to take egos and beliefs into account.

I had a comment about what I would have done if I had been a member of that particular congregation but decided to skip it to stay out of the fray but here it is now. I would have had a one on one with the priest and if that didn't provide satisfaction then I would have went higher. If that failed then I would be seeking another place of worship where politics didn't enter the sermons. White privilege is nothing but liberal politics and has no place in a church of any denomination and I wouldn't put up with it.

[Dee]

And there you go.

If I had substituted priest with teacher, and St Francis Xavier catholic church, with 3rd grade,  I suspect the topic would have went in a totally different direction, but that's not where it happened here.
That it happened in a catholic church, caused everyone to skip over, and miss the actual topic, and defend their own little bitty world, or attack someone elses from the safety of their own tiny kingdom.

[Land_Owner]

I see no color in "privilege".  I learned and EARNED all that I have today, and it isn't much.  What drives the bus of hatred in "white privilege" when every "advantage" I may have had is ALSO available to those that work for it? 

Our Plantation Owning political elites drove that bus into the cities, stole their future for votes, gave them the false hope of something for nothing, polluted their "leaders" with set asides and racial quota "advantages" in a world that eats the under prepared for breakfast, set them up to fail, and then went back to Washington, DC where they ignore the cry, "There is no bread!", and reply, "Let them eat cake." 

Under the victim making dogma of share the wealth, these elites stole the social security of the people and gave them "something for nothing" in welfare with its desolation, segregation, and race antihalation.

Now, 50 years into that "Great Society" experiment, three generations of families and lives shattered, cities in cess pools of democratic decay, false leaders rabidly bent on "pay back" in reparations, totally hell bent on preaching and spreading the falsehood of racism, squandered educations, myopic focus on "disenfranchisement", and every tax payer carrying their water, they "pay back" with loot, burn, rape & pillage, and do it under the false flag of "white privilege". 

Victimhood in its finest hour.  Bah humbug.

[Dee]

Like the "victimhood" on this forum? Where you can't  see the issue because of where its imminateing from, in this case a catholic church?
Some take exception because it's catholic, and some want to pile other catholic churches, and even the pope into it.

[Mule 11]

From what I’ve seen after researching this topic is that it is not a one time occurrence...

[Mule 11]

Kinda like the priest pedophile crap is not a one time occurrence. It is rampant...

[Graybeard]

Kinda like the priest pedophile crap is not a one time occurrence. It is rampant...

In fairness to catholics, pedophilia is rather common across all society these days and seems to be spreading. While no excuse, I think perhaps church policy preventing priests from marrying might contribute to that. BUT, big BUT, a whole lotta married men are also pedophiles so perhaps not.

We humans are a weak lot and subject to all sorts of perversions and I guess always have been so. Most can resist anything but temptation it seems. Who knows what it is in humans that causes such urges to surface.

Many religions actually encourage it or so it seems to be. Muzlims in particular. Men can marry girls regardless of their age I believe with them and sex with boys isn't forbidden, only with other men. Now if that isn't encouraging pedophilia I dunno what is. That isn't the only religion tho that marrying rather young girls is common.

So back on topic. There is no such thing as white privilege other than in the minds of racist liberals and dumocraps. Oh wait that's saying the same thing twice isn't it?

If we are the "human race" then how can there be different races of humans within that "human race"? That too is a term without meaning like white privilege.

[Mule 11]

Kinda like the priest pedophile crap is not a one time occurrence. It is rampant...

In fairness to catholics, pedophilia is rather common across all society these days and seems to be spreading. While no excuse, I think perhaps church policy preventing priests from marrying might contribute to that. BUT, big BUT, a whole lotta married men are also pedophiles so perhaps not.

We humans are a weak lot and subject to all sorts of perversions and I guess always have been so. Most can resist anything but temptation it seems. Who knows what it is in humans that causes such urges to surface.

Many religions actually encourage it or so it seems to be. Muzlims in particular. Men can marry girls regardless of their age I believe with them and sex with boys isn't forbidden, only with other men. Now if that isn't encouraging pedophilia I dunno what is. That isn't the only religion tho that marrying rather young girls is common.

So back on topic. There is no such thing as white privilege other than in the minds of racist liberals and dumocraps. Oh wait that's saying the same thing twice isn't it?

If we are the "human race" then how can there be different races of humans within that "human race"? That too is a term without meaning like white privilege.

Nothing like shining a light on it aye?

[Lloyd Smale]

but you didnt stay out of it. You just made a comment thats only thing it was intended to do was stir up crap. Those are the types of posts that have no use here. Have an opinion them man up and post it. Nobody needs those little cynical shots like "here we go agian" or "The thread immediately degenerated into something like a group of third grade school kids arguing about everything but what the original subject" Now that added alot to the subject. that was the main problem on the religion forum on the other greybeard. 3/4s of the posts were nothing but cheerleaders piling on and personally attacking anyone that had a minority opinion.

 Its exactly why it couldnt even be moderated fairly. Heck one moderator attack the other for making it his personal playground and when he was put in the position did the exact same thing. Even tried a bible study fourm that turned into the same big fight that even dee finally gave up on.. (and i never posted on it even once so the blamers here sure better look in the mirror) Bottom line is its IMPOSSIBLE to talk religion without someone coming away with hard feelings. People believe they are on the right path and only them. There's absolutely no Christianity involved in these discussions.

 Bottom line is as long as discussing religion is allowed there will be fighting. Fact is those hard feelings leave bitterness that bleads over into every section on here. Eliminate it and posting might slow down a bit but most of us here have been here for a long time and will just end up posting on subjects an outdoors forum is really about. Like guns and hunting and fishing and camping ect. never could figure it out. Some want so bad to have a religion section here and theres hundreds of them already that they could go to. But then they couldnt claim to have all the answers on a forum where people actually know the bible. Where there prejudices and attacks against other Christians wouldnt be tolerated. Were snide comments and little short pot stirring posts would get them banned

OK, I  made the profound statement about here we go again. The thread immediately degenerated into something like a group of third grade school kids arguing about everything but what the original subject was just as so many did on the other GBO. I hoped that it wouldn't appear here but was dumb enough not to take egos and beliefs into account.

I had a comment about what I would have done if I had been a member of that particular congregation but decided to skip it to stay out of the fray but here it is now. I would have had a one on one with the priest and if that didn't provide satisfaction then I would have went higher. If that failed then I would be seeking another place of worship where politics didn't enter the sermons. White privilege is nothing but liberal politics and has no place in a church of any denomination and I wouldn't put up with it.

[Dee]

49 posts so far, and "white privilege" was mentioned only 11 times, 9 of those by myself, as far as discussion other than what I said, 2.

Oh well, I guess few people here have an opinion  on "white privilege", but some do on religion.

This ain't the religious forum, it's the "Potbellied Stove" forum, but it is a reminder to me of my grandpas explanation of why you put blinders on a work horse.
My grandpa couldn't read or right, but he understood horses, cows, and people.

[Bob Riebe]

Not jabbing at you Dan but one reason things such as white priviledge, blm etc. are headlines now is because people keep babbling about it.

The blm item was old history before the riots because no one, including most blacks ever mentioned.
This is how the left-wing press tries to force their ideology onthe humble masses, keep babbling about it long enough and it becomes an unavoidable issue, regardless of how asinine, or crock of shite the topic is.

Right now the -- restitution-- item is nothing because no one mentions it, but just wait till the press decides to use it again.
Ditto for genuine police reform, that is squashed because that would get in the way of anarchists supported by the press, so the blm BS, is always front and center.

[Dee]

Well Bob, I guess then by your definition, all political issues of todays' environment are "babble", and folks should ignore what's happening to our society, culture, and country.
If we'll just ignore it, it'll go away.

Worked on nazism. 

[Bob Riebe]

As I said, blm was ancient history , until the left wing press used to force their opinion on the ignorant, so now politicians are kissing the butt of blm BS.

Nazi Germany, a physical entity,  was a country, white privilege is just a headline left wing are using to stay in the headlines via.

[Dee]

No, Germany was, and is, "a country". Nazism was "a movement".
BLM, "white privilege", and ANTIFA are also "movements". Like "nazism" folks such as yourself want to play these movements down. The German people, and the world payed dearly for it.


Ignoring the later three doesn't seem to be working in Portland and other cities does it?
Just watched a video of a white guy trying to get gas at a Shell Station. Crowd wouldn't let him because he was "white". The police stood across the street and watched.
Your analogy of ignore it, because it isn't real sounds much like the Democratic party today, and 1930s Germany.

[Bob Riebe]

No, Germany was, and is, "a country". Nazism was "a movement".
BLM, "white privilege", and ANTIFA are also "movements". Like "nazism" folks such as yourself want to play these movements down. The German people, and the world payed dearly for it.


Ignoring the later three doesn't seem to be working in Portland and other cities does it?
Just watched a video of a white guy trying to get gas at a Shell Station. Crowd wouldn't let him because he was "white". The police stood across the street and watched.
Your analogy of ignore it, because it isn't real sounds much like the Democratic party today, and 1930s Germany.

That has nothing to do with the  -- white privilege -- phrase, which is all it is, the more one says it the more it becomes a target, so they just keep babbling out, white privilege ;;;white privilege... white privilege....even tho it does not exist.

I said Nazi German, not simply Nazi, without Germany, the Nazi system would never have existed.
NAZI was just another term for a socialist system regardless how hard the liberals try to deny that fact.
Russia had by abstract a similar system only it was called Communism, read political books on it and that is spelled out plainly.
The groups BLM and ANTIFA are the cancer we are dealing with not white privilege; if they find another catch word/ phrase you will not hear it any more, and with the debates  coming I am sure the catch word -- restitution -- will get air time.
It all boils down to -- divide and separate -- racial and social hatred, the Democrats main tool for decades,   THAT is the problem.

[Mule 11]

No one is ignoring this garbage. It is being allowed and encouraged by the leftist and deep state for there own reasons. White privatedge, white privatedge. Ya happy?

[Dee]

It all boils down to -- divide and separate -- racial and social hatred, the Democrats main tool for decades,   THAT is the problem.

Indeed it has, and still does Bob. BLMers, ANTIFAers, and Anarchists are attacking white folks, assaulting them, killing them, burning their businesses, property, and homes, and even going into restaurants and demanding white diners to raise their fists in agreement of destroying "white privilege".
But I haven't seen Pelosi, or Schumer in any of the riots. They do however,support, and encourage, "the ever growing movement".

[Land_Owner]

BLMers, ANTIFAers, and Anarchists are attacking white folks, assaulting them, killing them, burning their businesses, property, and homes, and even going into restaurants and demanding white diners to raise their fists in agreement of destroying "white privilege".

Need a gun yet?  Not putting up with that on any street in neighborhood - and I am not going looking for trouble.  Should it come my way, I will meet it in an environment that is mostly screaming lead.

[Lloyd Smale]

heck dee there killing, terrorizing, and burning the business of black members of there community's too. They are criminals that the democrats are using like pawns in there quest to overthrow this government. For the most part because there the only ones on there side that have the balls to do more then talk. They just sit back in there fancy offices letting them create kayos that if nothing else gives trump more to deal with and more of a chance to pick apart what he does to stop it. In a short amount of time when trump is reelected and doesnt have to dance on eggs shells worrying about another election just watch the crap hit the fan and this stuff STOPPED! Only reason they get away with it know is the socialists are encouraging it or at least turning a blind eye to it. Its those politian's i blame for most of this not the black people in this country. Bottom line is the same thing would happen if the government put blinders on and let groups like white supremist's and any redneck with a gun hassle black people. Try that and the full fury of the government is going to come down on you in a matter of minutes. As it should to these criminals and the people that are encouraging them. I feel for some of you that have to live in these hot spots and especially the law enforcement people that have to deal with this with there hands tied in fear that actually doing there job could cost them there job. Like you no doubt know those law enforcement officers come in all races and religions too.   

It all boils down to -- divide and separate -- racial and social hatred, the Democrats main tool for decades,   THAT is the problem.

Indeed it has, and still does Bob. BLMers, ANTIFAers, and Anarchists are attacking white folks, assaulting them, killing them, burning their businesses, property, and homes, and even going into restaurants and demanding white diners to raise their fists in agreement of destroying "white privilege".
But I haven't seen Pelosi, or Schumer in any of the riots. They do however,support, and encourage, "the ever growing movement".

[Mule 11]

yup and 3/4s of the blacks in this country that are christian are baptist. Catholic church probably has one of the lowest per capita ratio of blacks in there congregations. Maybe hes just recruiting. that said we have a black priest thats been our priest for probably 6 months now. He never mentioned a thing about this crap going on. I think the only time ive seen political talk in church was our last priest, a good friend of mine, right before the last election said in plain words in front of the congregation that a vote for hillary was a vote for satan. 3 people actually got up and left the church in the middle of the service. Wasnt martin luther king a baptist minister??? HMMMM
Jesse Jackson?? HMMM Socialists?? Suppose that qualifies me to say all baptists are socialists Here i thought this place outgrew that kind of childish bashing.

What the heil are you talking about?