NYC Catholic Priest Leads Vows Rejecting White Privilege During Mass

[Dee]

Pastor Fr Kenneth Boller SJ of the St Francis Xavier catholic church led his congregation in vows during mass rejecting "white privilege" and racial injustice" Sunday.

Hanging around the alter behind him were large pictures of George Floyd, and other blacks who recently were killed during police shootings,  or in police custody.
The video was played on Tucker Carlson's show tonight on Fox News.

[Bob Riebe]

I saw that.
As the one gent said, they are taking over the churches the some are too gullible to know better.

[ironglows]

  Certain branches of the RC church lean toward the Marxist view, and since the BLM gang are dedicated Marxists, perhaps a kinship has formed.
   Pope Francis is a Jesuit.  The Jesuits were originally formed by Ignatius Loyola, to fight the reformation.  In later years, their idea of helping the poor, has been to "liberate" populations. It was they who, back in the 70s and 80s, stirred up individuals in the various South American nations (e.g.Nicaragua), provoking them to a communist revolution.

   https://www.wlrn.org/news/2014-11-14/el-salvadors-jesuit-massacre-a-reminder-why-fewer-latin-americans-are-catholic

    https://onepeterfive.com/popes-marxist-head-jesuits/

  It seems to be that very propensity which is causing dissension within the RC hierarchy today, pope vs various cardinals..

[ironglows]

..On the other hand, this man talks good sense !

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKC0cfPc0oQ

[Lloyd Smale]

yup and 3/4s of the blacks in this country that are christian are baptist. Catholic church probably has one of the lowest per capita ratio of blacks in there congregations. Maybe hes just recruiting. that said we have a black priest thats been our priest for probably 6 months now. He never mentioned a thing about this crap going on. I think the only time ive seen political talk in church was our last priest, a good friend of mine, right before the last election said in plain words in front of the congregation that a vote for hillary was a vote for satan. 3 people actually got up and left the church in the middle of the service. Wasnt martin luther king a baptist minister??? HMMMM
Jesse Jackson?? HMMM Socialists?? Suppose that qualifies me to say all baptists are socialists Here i thought this place outgrew that kind of childish bashing.

[Dee]

This was on national news last night on the Tucker Carlson Show. The issue is WHITE PRIVILEGE, and is being discussed a lot from the NFL, NBA, MLB, and even NASCAR.

That a priest is having a congregation reciting sacraments against "white privilege" during mass, while the congregation is white is UNUSUAL, enough to make National News.
If Baptist, Methodist, or any other Christian organization jump on thi white privilege band wagon we as Christians need to know about it. 
Publishing provable "FACTS" about an occurrence, involving a specific member of a specific organization is not slandering the speaker, or the organization.
It is acknowledging that it happened.

If this type of rhetoric persists, white people will be so demonized we'll all end up with a bounty on our heads for the crime of " being white".

[Dee]

  Certain branches of the RC church lean toward the Marxist view, and since the BLM gang are dedicated Marxists, perhaps a kinship has formed.
   Pope Francis is a Jesuit.  The Jesuits were originally formed by Ignatius Loyola, to fight the reformation.  In later years, their idea of helping the poor, has been to "liberate" populations. It was they who, back in the 70s and 80s, stirred up individuals in the various South American nations (e.g.Nicaragua), provoking them to a communist revolution.

   https://www.wlrn.org/news/2014-11-14/el-salvadors-jesuit-massacre-a-reminder-why-fewer-latin-americans-are-catholic

    https://onepeterfive.com/popes-marxist-head-jesuits/

  It seems to be that very propensity which is causing dissension within the RC hierarchy today, pope vs various cardinals..

That's not what "this topic" is about. "This topic" is about "this priest", in "this church" teaching "white privilege sacraments" to its "white congregational members" about "their white privilege".

To my knowledge, this is "the only catholic church " doing it.

[ironglows]

  Dee;
    ..Being a history buff, and knowing that if we don't have a clue to our mistakes of the past, we will sure have "do overs" in the future.. So, with that in view, I just gave you a bit of background..the whys and wherefores.  Normally such notions don't just spring up out of midair..
  I don't doubt but if we search far enough, we may well find a preacher somewhere, who is preaching that very message.
  The other priest I linked to, had some sage advice, worthwhile for anyone ..

  ...Sure looks like some are drinking the Koolaid :
  https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/07/white-evangelicals-black-lives-matter/613738/

 

 

[Dee]

  Dee;
    ..Being a hissstory buff, and knowing that if we don't have a clue to our mistakes of the past, we will sure have "do overs" in the future.. So, with that in view, I just gave you a bit of background..the whys and wherefores.  Normally such notions don't just spring up out of midair..
  I don't doubt but if we search far enough, we may well find a preacher somewhere, who is preaching that very message.
  The other priest I linked to, had some sage advice, worthwhile for anyone ..

 
 

Well, it has also been noted that in the past, your "history research" has been a bit faulty with such your research concerning Robert E Lee, and Stonewall Jackson being opposite of your findings.
With that said, I would term you more as a "novice" rather than a "buff".

Now with that said, I'll repeat, that the thread topic is Kenny of the St Francis Xavier catholic church.
He absolutely did what was stated, and that is the topic of this thread. WHITE PRIVILEGE. 

[ironglows]

yup and 3/4s of the blacks in this country that are christian are baptist. Catholic church probably has one of the lowest per capita ratio of blacks in there congregations. Maybe hes just recruiting. that said we have a black priest thats been our priest for probably 6 months now. He never mentioned a thing about this crap going on. I think the only time ive seen political talk in church was our last priest, a good friend of mine, right before the last election said in plain words in front of the congregation that a vote for hillary was a vote for satan. 3 people actually got up and left the church in the middle of the service. Wasnt martin luther king a baptist minister??? HMMMM
Jesse Jackson?? HMMM Socialists?? Suppose that qualifies me to say all baptists are socialists Here i thought this place outgrew that kind of childish bashing.

  Lloyd, thanks for keeping your cool this time, perhaps we can have some profitable and enlightening exchanges.
  Although you won't hear any politicians names discussed in our local church, many of the stances of the politicians are.  Things like abortion, LGBTQ, RTKBA, and treating people as Jesus does..as individuals, and not "groups".  Perhaps it is not worth "stirring the pot"!

  Wetre I the pastor, I wouldn't hesitate to discuss these issues one-on-one, but not as if "race" were the motivating factor.  I would likely delve into how the gullible are being used..

  I think most preachers are hesitant to call Hillary what she really is, because it was against the law to do so (Johnson's law).  A law preachers should have ignored back in the 60s when Johnson pushed it through!
  Truthfully, what else could an honest person consider any politician who supports the killing of babies, the promotion of things God calls sin.... and support communism, the primary bane of Christianity ?

  Luther a Baptist?      I hardly think so, in fact I doubt he was a Lutheran, since I doubt the Lutheran church was actually formed under the Lutheran name, before he passed, but I leave that to the Lutherans to comment upon.

  MLK was a Baptist..but as far as the race hustlers like Jesse and Al Sharpton, I personally doubt they regard any Christian doctrine seriously.

  Keep in mind, were not called Christians before Jesus died, we were first called Christians in Antioch..sometime after Jesus' death and resurrection, and the disciples did not embark upon missionary work for some time. 

[Dee]

All of which has nothing to do with this one priest teaching against "white privilege".

[Lloyd Smale]

  Luther a Baptist?      I hardly think so, in fact I doubt he was a Lutheran, since I doubt the Lutheran church was actually formed under the Lutheran name, before he passed, but I leave that to the Lutherans to comment upon.

  Little reading comprehension difficulties today. I said martin luther king and last i heard he didnt start the lutheran religion. Hes a baptist. Why the blue post. Have to shout so everyone pays attention???  History expert, muscle car expert, Bible scholar. What dont you know.  Must be hard being an eagle and forced to fly with us turkey buzzards.

[Lloyd Smale]

To my knowledge, this is "the only catholic church " doing it.

thank you for clarifying that.

[ironglows]

From Dee;
  " Well, it has also been noted that in the past, your "history research" has been a bit faulty with such your research concerning Robert E Lee, and Stonewall Jackson being opposite of your findings."

   Nope!  just a case of your history vs my history, and I furnished references..

[Dee]

From Dee;
  " Well, it has also been noted that in the past, your "history research" has been a bit faulty with such your research concerning Robert E Lee, and Stonewall Jackson being opposite of your findings."

   Nope!  just a case of your history vs my history, and I furnished references..

Ya know ironglow? For an old fart, your yankee ego knows no bounds. You've done everything you could to expand a simple thread about one priest in one church into a movement, bringing popes, Hispanics, other countries, and on and on.

Just like your "history buff" nonsense of Robert E Lee,  and Stonewall Jackson, never owning slaves. Historical documents say otherwise.
You seem to have no mental capacity to "learn from others", and believe yourself to be an educator on all topics.
By God ironglow said they never owned slaves and that's that! Word with the bark on it about Southern History straight from upper  New York State.!

Your a "novice historian" on your best day, and refuse "historical facts" in lue of your own "perceptions".

I have an 84 year old uncle just like you. His decades old self history of always being right according to His "perceptions" have been dubbed by most who know him as "isms".

In other words, like "your online Confederate history research" while incorrect according to historical factual history, is nothing more than "ironglow-isms".

This thread I started on this one priest ,at this one church, on this one topic and this one event at that one church, has evolved through YOU into a series of "ironglow-isms", covering other churches, and even posters. Efforts to lead you back to the topic, and away from conflict, were met by more of your "ironglow-isms"

[oldandslow]

Here we go again. 

[Dee]

Not if everyone stays on topic. 

[ironglows]

  Luther a Baptist?      I hardly think so, in fact I doubt he was a Lutheran, since I doubt the Lutheran church was actually formed under the Lutheran name, before he passed, but I leave that to the Lutherans to comment upon.

  Little reading comprehension difficulties today. I said martin luther king and last i heard he didnt start the lutheran religion. Hes a baptist. Why the blue post. Have to shout so everyone pays attention???  History expert, muscle car expert, Bible scholar. What dont you know.  Must be hard being an eagle and forced to fly with us turkey buzzards.

  Look back at my posts Lloyd.. I have tried to be diplomatic with you, primarily because you have always been so "sensitive" when attempting to converse in anything dealing with the church..then you turn around and hit me with a ration of .. & excoriate me as you did above, which is part wishful speculation and the rest pure Bull stuff ! Thanks!

  BTW: Blue lettering does not indicate SHOUTING!  All the blue lettering was for, was so nobody would mistake my post for any of the drivel quoted from you !

[Dee]

See what I mean oldandslow?

[ironglows]

From Dee;
  " Well, it has also been noted that in the past, your "history research" has been a bit faulty with such your research concerning Robert E Lee, and Stonewall Jackson being opposite of your findings."

   Nope!  just a case of your history vs my history, and I furnished references..

Ya know ironglow? For an old fart, your yankee ego knows no bounds. Ego!...how so? You've done everything you could to expand a simple thread about one priest in one church into a movement, bringing popes, Hispanics, other countries, and on and on. Frankly, it seemed the discussion may become boring if we stuck with one priest, one sermon and a few BLM pictures. Is that priest not  part of a group which is exponentially, part of the larger RC church body?

Just like your "history buff" nonsense of Robert E Lee,  and Stonewall Jackson, never owning slaves. Historical documents say otherwise. Your historical documents !
You seem to have no mental capacity to "learn from others", and believe yourself to be an educator on all topics. Like almost everyone else, yourself included..our primary way of learning , is from others..their books, research papers etc.

  By God ironglow said they never owned slaves and that's that! Word with the bark on it about Southern History straight from upper  New York State.!   Are we to assume from your statement, that since both Lee and Jackson lived geographically, much closer to my residence than yours... that you then could not know nearly as much about them as I?  Come now, historical knowledge is not limited geographically..

Your a "novice historian" on your best day, and refuse "historical facts" in lue of your own "perceptions".   My , my ..OK novice historian..correct, as I am not a professional..and collect no pay for such...but are you not refusing "historical facts" in lieu of your own?

I have an 84 year old uncle just like you. His decades old self history of always being right according to His "perceptions" have been dubbed by most who know him as "isms".  ..And of course, you could formulate many of a Dee-ism...(not to be confused with "deism"), but that would be different!

In other words, like "your online Confederate history research" while incorrect according to historical factual history, is nothing more than "ironglow-isms".

This thread I started on this one priest ,at this one church, on this one topic and this one event at that one church, has evolved through YOU into a series of "ironglow-isms", covering other churches, and even posters. Efforts to lead you back to the topic, and away from conflict, were met by more of your "ironglow-isms"
Oops!  Sorry, if the discussion became too expansive for your taste..so I'll leave this little discussion to you and Lloyd...convinced you two will find 'common ground'.

   Have a great discussion!

[Dee]

 LMAO! Still denying "historical facts", trying to deflect truth, with useless geography, and more ironglow-isms.

Now, does this mean your done hijacking this thread, and inciting argument? Good!

This thread was, and is about Priest Kenneth Boller of the St Francis Xavier catholic church preaching vows of "white privilege" not the RCC,
the pope. Or your endless ironglow-isms.

[ironglows]

LMAO! Still denying "historical facts", trying to deflect truth, with useless geography, and more ironglow-isms.

Now, does this mean your done hijacking this thread, and inciting argument? Good!

This thread was, and is about "white privilege" not ironglow-isms.

  Sure; now you and Lloyd can go on discussing the errors being taught by Fr Kenneth Boller SJ..  Help yourself...enjoy !

  Perhaps however, you may want to move it to the "religious discussion" forum ..

[Dee]

   

[Lloyd Smale]

  Sure; now you and Lloyd can go on discussing the errors being taught by Fr Kenneth Boller SJ..  Help yourself...enjoy !

In what world was i doing that? I think youve been loosing it lately or are in such need of being recognized as an authority on every subject post on here that you in fact are proving just the opposite. GENIUS??

[ironglows]

Lloyd; Here is the original post !..all about Fr Kenneth Boller.....

Pastor Fr Kenneth Boller SJ of the St Francis Xavier catholic church led his congregation in vows during mass rejecting "white privilege" and racial injustice" Sunday.

Hanging around the alter behind him were large pictures of George Floyd, and other blacks who recently were killed during police shootings,  or in police custody.
The video was played on Tucker Carlson's show tonight on Fox News.

    Then in post #6  Dee says drifting from that subject is verboten !

  So go enjoy yourselves, with your discussion of Fr Boller..

[Dee]

Having a hard time letting it go ig,?

The thread is about politics. "White privilege". "BLM "?

You seem to be havin some comprehension problems here, but that's why it isn't in the religious forum. I'd draw you a picture if I thought it would help.
Your so involved in what you want to say (ironglow-isms),  that you don't comprehend, or hear what others are saying.

You've hijacked this thread into becoming about YOU and "your duty" to straighten out the direction of the topic usin "ironglowisms".

You should be able to relax now, I think you've successfully killed the thread.

[ironglows]

I  didn't kill the thread, I just figured that no matter how diplomatic I tried to be, both of you were so free with accusations and insults, that I figured I would just step out and let you two go on with your conversation, without myself being there for a convenient target for your barbs.  So as the CO said..."carry on!"

[Dee]

Well this is the 3rd time you left, so bye.

[Mule 11]

A man has to defend himself from the coyotes...

[Lloyd Smale]

heck iron glow it looks like you have your own cheerleader . Maybe you can gather a group Either that or mule is really desperate for a friend. The later is my best guess.

A man has to defend himself from the coyotes...