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Why are the most politically liberal areas of the country..
« on: April 04, 2013, 08:35:35 AM »
Why are the most politically liberal areas of the country the most regulated areas of the country? Liberalism is about having freedom, but by over regulation you have less freedom, yet that is how liberal areas operate. New York, Chicago and California are some of the most over regulated areas in the country yet claim to be liberal. The sad part is the liberal populations don't see/get it............
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Re: Why are the most politically liberal areas of the country..
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2013, 12:24:21 PM »
They don't listen to us they just spend our money and there is not much of a choice to replace them with. Pretty much a catch 22 . When you live in a Dictator ship it is difficult to change things

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Re: Why are the most politically liberal areas of the country..
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2013, 02:59:16 AM »
So very true, Wisconsin is becoming more like a dictatorship, regulate everything, high taxes, ask gov. for pemission,  great welfare programs (attract the wrong kinds of people).
 
Lots of places in WI. property taxes are almost as high as the mortgage. Even a mortgage is paid off after 30 years, prop. tax is forever.  High income tax. Not many jobs opportunity. low paying jobs (except state jobs).

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Re: Why are the most politically liberal areas of the country..
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2013, 03:35:32 AM »
Wisconsin?  :o Scott Walker!  :o Liberal?   :o Gimme a break!  ;D ;D ;D That was funny, right there!  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Why are the most politically liberal areas of the country..
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2013, 03:48:18 AM »
If you notice large cities are more liberal.  They have large "inner city" populations that are dependent on welfare, food stamps, and government housing.  Large cities are also dependent on a lot more services that government provides, such as mass transit, street clean up, garbage, water, sewer, power, and gas.  The bigger the government, the more they provide, the more dependent people become.  Safety is a big issue, thuse more police and gun control. 
 
In the country, you may have your own septic tank, well water, firewood or propane gas.  You have your own vehicle for travel, and you have varmits to contend with, so you have guns.  You may also hunt or fish for your food, and have a garden.  This is also true in suburbs.  Far less dependent on government and government services. 
 
City folks think only the government can solve their problems, because they feel helpless in the big cities.  country folks solve their own problems. 
 
Crime is higher in big cities because of several reasons.  Most people don't even know all their neighbors and you are just one face in thousands.  People can get away with more sin such as adultry because no one cares, because there is so many people.  Lots of petty thefts can lead to more stealing.  People can feel trapped so they might lash out at neighbors or family.  Without self protection, purse snatching, robbery's are more common place.  Drugs can be rampant because of people not really caring about what others do, or they just don't want to get involved.
 
In rural areas, most neighbors know each other, sometimes if one has a problem, neighbors come to help.  Crime can be a problem such as break ins and burglery because of rural settings especially when noone is home.  Usually people know each other, go to church, thus keep up with what neighbors need, are doing, and can self regulate problems as they arise, without lawyers or law enforcement problems.  Not perfect, but a lot more freedom. 

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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2013, 03:54:47 AM »
Hum liberals seem to be leaders (the ones who believe they are smarter than most subjects  I mean citizens and there fore above the laws set for commoners) and the followers ( the dumb subject voter used to secure more time in office, soon to be subjects ). The first group enjoys freedoms at the cost of the second group. Simple really .
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Re: Why are the most politically liberal areas of the country..
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2013, 04:11:02 AM »
Wisconsin?  :o Scott Walker!  :o Liberal?   :o Gimme a break!  ;D ;D ;D That was funny, right there!  ;D ;D ;D

And we had Doyle for years before Walker!! Maybe you missed the National News when the Unions had camped at the capitol building in protest to him changing the states liberal ways?? Wisconsin did go to Obama for the last two presidental elections.
 
 Hard to believe we are conservative and voting for Obama! Riddle me that!
 
Walker can only correct so much at a time, or he may have to fight another recall election, or may be you didnt hear about that either.  We are conservative, thats is funny right there!! :o :o ;D

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Re: Why are the most politically liberal areas of the country..
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2013, 04:32:20 AM »
So Chung, explain the liberal plan to lower taxes, reduce regulations and restore liberty.  I'm especially interested in the liberal plan to abide by and respect the Second Amendment.
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Re: Why are the most politically liberal areas of the country..
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2013, 04:58:31 AM »
60 miles north of me-Detroit,Mi. They've had a Democratic mayor in charge since some time in the 1960's. One time big union town, UAW all the way. Now, their hundreds of Millions in debt, about to go into the billions. Really don't want help from the Republican gov. because he's white.(that's what they said, not me) Population is down by over a 1/3 from the 1970's, no jobs, the only mayor that hasn't been charged with some sort of corruption deal, is the one in office now, Dave Bing, the basketball star from the 60's or 70's. (not sure, as I don't follow BB at all).A couple years back, they had the proud distinction of being the murder capital of America.  Quote from a woman a couple years ago, standing in line for living assistance program-''We gettin some of Obama's stash money''. Reporter asked her where the stash money came from, he reply, ''Don't know, don't care, it's from Obama''. Thats liberalism for you. gypsyman
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Re: Why are the most politically liberal areas of the country..
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2013, 06:30:55 AM »
If you notice large cities are more liberal.  They have large "inner city" populations that are dependent on welfare, food stamps, and government housing.  Large cities are also dependent on a lot more services that government provides, such as mass transit, street clean up, garbage, water, sewer, power, and gas.  The bigger the government, the more they provide, the more dependent people become.  Safety is a big issue, thuse more police and gun control. 
 
In the country, you may have your own septic tank, well water, firewood or propane gas.  You have your own vehicle for travel, and you have varmits to contend with, so you have guns.  You may also hunt or fish for your food, and have a garden.  This is also true in suburbs.  Far less dependent on government and government services. 
 
City folks think only the government can solve their problems, because they feel helpless in the big cities.  country folks solve their own problems. 
 
Crime is higher in big cities because of several reasons.  Most people don't even know all their neighbors and you are just one face in thousands.  People can get away with more sin such as adultry because no one cares, because there is so many people.  Lots of petty thefts can lead to more stealing.  People can feel trapped so they might lash out at neighbors or family.  Without self protection, purse snatching, robbery's are more common place.  Drugs can be rampant because of people not really caring about what others do, or they just don't want to get involved.
 
In rural areas, most neighbors know each other, sometimes if one has a problem, neighbors come to help.  Crime can be a problem such as break ins and burglery because of rural settings especially when noone is home.  Usually people know each other, go to church, thus keep up with what neighbors need, are doing, and can self regulate problems as they arise, without lawyers or law enforcement problems.  Not perfect, but a lot more freedom.


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Re: Why are the most politically liberal areas of the country..
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2013, 06:38:04 AM »
One big difference between liberal and conservative is that conservatives either ARE or AREN'T conservative, while liberals can choose HOW liberal they are and on what issues.
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Re: Why are the most politically liberal areas of the country..
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2013, 07:59:04 AM »
"Be a LIBERAL. That's as close as you can get to a 1950s conservative."
Off topic but I wasnt alive during the 1950's and I wondered if someone could clear this statement up for me. The statement implies that the closest thing today to a 1950's conservative is a liberal so it leads me to ask the question were 1950's conservatives jack booted NAZI's? Because that is all I see in today's liberal circles
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Re: Why are the most politically liberal areas of the country..
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2013, 08:39:10 AM »
John Kennedy was a liberal in 1960, but would be a conservative today.  He had tax cuts to stimulate the economy.  He stood down the Russians when they put missles in Cuba by blockaiding Cuba. 
 
Conservatives were like Eisenhower who sent 2 million illegal Mexicans back home in buses and boats and dumped them out about 200 miles south of the border.  Mexico said and did nothing.  This immediately lowered the unemployment about a 1 to 1-1/2% and allowed veterans from Korea to find jobs. 

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Re: Why are the most politically liberal areas of the country..
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2013, 09:42:32 AM »
One big difference between liberal and conservative is that conservatives either ARE or AREN'T conservative, while liberals can choose HOW liberal they are and on what issues.

In other words he's stumped, and just typin to fill the void.
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2013, 10:54:48 AM »
The difference in conservatives and liberals , conservatives spend their own money and liberals want to spend everyone else's money.
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Re: Why are the most politically liberal areas of the country..
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2013, 01:41:39 PM »
The difference in conservatives and liberals , conservatives spend their own money and liberals want to spend everyone else's money.


I think it's getting harder to draw a definitive line between Liberal and Conservative today.Bush 1 and 2 ran on Conservative principals like (SMALLER GOVERNMENT, ANTI U.N.,BORDER SECURITY) and so on. Then when elected they showed their true colors Liberal Hawks. To get a true Conservative  today, we would have to look outside the Republican party picks to do so.

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Re: Why are the most politically liberal areas of the country..
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2013, 03:00:11 PM »
The difference in conservatives and liberals , conservatives spend their own money and liberals want to spend everyone else's money.

Kinda like the group of liberals on another thread braggin about their Chevy Volts that we helped buy?
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Re: Why are the most politically liberal areas of the country..
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2013, 09:12:12 AM »
Depends on how 'liberal' is defined. Actually it means free. The founders were liberals. Throughout the independence movement their constant theme was freedom, far more even than independence. Independence was not the primary goal it was only the means by which freedom was to be acquired. True liberals are few and far between today. We are squeezed between two political ideologies, Leftists and Rightists, both anti-liberal and statist. The goal of both is identical, to impose their will upon everyone else and to destroy the last vestiges of freedom..

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Re: Why are the most politically liberal areas of the country..
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2013, 12:34:06 PM »
   Both parties suck beyond repair. They could care less about you. They answer to the real owners of this country,international banking cartels and corporations.

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Re: Why are the most politically liberal areas of the country..
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2013, 07:20:25 AM »
Depends on how 'liberal' is defined. Actually it means free. The founders were liberals. Throughout the independence movement their constant theme was freedom, far more even than independence. Independence was not the primary goal it was only the means by which freedom was to be acquired. True liberals are few and far between today. We are squeezed between two political ideologies, Leftists and Rightists, both anti-liberal and statist. The goal of both is identical, to impose their will upon everyone else and to destroy the last vestiges of freedom..
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Re: Why are the most politically liberal areas of the country..
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2013, 08:57:35 AM »
Inner city people trade thier liberty and freedom to vote their conscience for: welfare, foodstamps rent/heating assistance etc.

The liberal government officials promise them every program under the sun in exchange for a vote.

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