Ron Paul won't speak at convention, won't endorse Romney, still dividing party.

[powderman]

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 Ron Paul on Romney: ‘I don’t fully endorse him for president’  By Chris Moody, Yahoo! News | The Ticket – 3 hrs ago         Ron Paul (T.J. Kirkpatrick/Getty Images)
TAMPA -- Mitt Romney's presidential campaign gave Texas Rep. Ron Paul a chance to speak at the Republican National Convention, but he declined due to the conditions of the offer, the New York Times reports:
 
 

Mr. Paul, in an interview, said convention planners had offered him an opportunity to speak under two conditions: that he deliver remarks vetted by the Romney campaign, and that he give a full-fledged endorsement of Mr. Romney. He declined.
"It wouldn't be my speech," Mr. Paul said. "That would undo everything I've done in the last 30 years. I don't fully endorse him for president."

Republicans plan to show a tribute video honoring the the retiring libertarian politician Tuesday at the convention. Paul is also holding his own rally nearby on Sunday afternoon.

[blind ear]

+1 Ron Paul. ear

[Cuts Crooked]

Kudos to Paul for sticking to his beliefs!

[Dee]

Still dividing the party my hind leg. They want him to stand up there and do a "repeat after me" speech. Paul ain't perfect by any stretch, but he's a damn sight better man than Mitt Romney will ever be. I don't want that heathen Romney in there either, but to say Paul is dividing the party is silly. Most of the Republicans are a bunch of fence riders anyway. Moderate, middle of the road? How about on the fence! That is a better description. Ron Paul ain't purty, he ain't eloquent, he ain't a sharp dresser, but he doesn't have any problems remembering what he said last week, or last month, or last year. He sticks to his guns, and history will show that, unless they change history again.
Republicans don't want to be right. They want to be a little bit right, and a little bit heathen, that way both sides will like them. Their fence ridin liars of the worst sort, and should be hung from the same tree as the Democrats.
Right now Romney's campaign, and Obama's campaign are both lyin about each other OPENLY, and BOTH are cryin foul, while the American voter does what it always does. Blames the one their against, and pretends not to notice the lies their scumbag nominee is spouting.
Dividing the party. What a joke.

[yellowtail3]

I largely agree with Dee, whether he likes it or not...

[Doublebass73]

The one politician who can't be bought. Ron is a class act 'til the very end.

As far as dividing the party goes, there's that liberal logic again - it's always someone else's fault. Blame the conservatives who won't sell their soul and vote for a liberal like Romney rather than blame yourself for nominating a liberal like ROmney in the 1st place.

Don't worry though, the RNC changed their own rules so that there will be no more Ron Paul's in the future. They insured that it will be nothing but big government, status quo candidates in the future:
http://www.dailypaul.com/251019/rnc-rule-changes-and-their-practical-effects

[powderman]

Romney is the only chance to beat the obamination, every one of  us knows this, RP knows this too. THe margin is very close in the polls. The votes RP will pull could well make the difference between electing an American, or giving the obamination another 4 years to destroy us, and he is, just as planned. By refusing to back Romney it seems that RP is intentionally taking votes that he knows will give the obamination another 4 years. YES, he is dividing the party, and it seems intentional. POWDERMAN.   

[blind ear]

Reguardless of who wins the presidency, it is decision time in America. Uh Oh, We're sunk, It requires thinking to make decisions and a majority of both parties are just following thier shepards lead, blindly. ear

[Dee]

If refusing to get on the fence, is dividing the party, if refusing to compromise between right and wrong, is dividing the party, if refusing to lie to the American people, is dividing the party, if refusing to sell out moral values, is dividing the party, and if refusing to endorse a candidate that has demonstrated his willingness to switch stances on important issues when a certain crowd called for it, is dividing the party, then I guess ole Ron is guilty.
Just like last election so many claiming to be conservative, are so anxious to support a fence straddling, mind changing, socialist, heathen. They say they want a better America, and they say they want a more honest government.
But this election is no different from the last one. Folks here will point fingers at each other, blame each other, and vote out of fear of one or the other candidate, and we collectively will go off the financial cliff just like Greece is about to.
With all the choices for the Republican Candidate, Americans supported the most liberal of them all, and now want non-liberal voters to jump on the band wagon with them, and do it all over again. 
It has not been about America for a very long time now. It has, and is, about the PARTY. And the voter marches to it, although it is so profoundly obvious. They pray for political bread crumbs from each candidate, and bread crumbs is what they get. Just enough to keep them saying. NEXT TIME!
Collectively America, and Americans, deserve what they get. They, out of fear of one or the other, have gotten on the moral fence, (with the politician whom only wants power) where on one side of the fence is right, and the other side wrong. They are like a child in a burning house. They run from window to window, afraid to break the glass and escape certain death, out of fear of "breaking the glass".

[powderman]

And refusing to vote for the ONLY man running with a GOOD chance to dethrone the illegal kenyan is what?? Ridiculous is the kindest word I can think of. Not voting for Romney says that you are perfectly ok with the obamination in the white house.
 
IF obummer is re elected you can take pride that you tossed your vote in the trash and encouraged others to do the same, knowing that you could have made the difference in helping America rid ourselves of the biggest catastrophe we have ever seen.
 
You can be proud when you hand over your guns to obummers brown shirts, knowing you could of stopped it, but hey, it's cool, you still have your pride.
 
Defeating the obamination is Americas TOP priority if we want to save our nation from the liberal pukes that are invading our everyday lives and poisoning the minds of our children.
POWDERMAN. 

[Dee]

My pride has absolutely nothing to do with my vote. I vote for the "best man" for the job. I vote for the man whom believes the Constitution and Bill of Rights are THE documents this country is run on, along with Christian Principles.
Your voting for a man that believes and teaches that Christ will Reign from Independence Missouri, and that Christ was born of a carnal relationship of man and woman. Talk about posioning the minds of our children. Your votin for a waffler!
You point that "semi-moral finger" at me, and the other three are pointin straight at YOU. Your the one abandoning your "claimed" Christian Principles to vote with the world. You did it last election too. You don't pack the gear, or the authority to judge me. I'm for what is right. Not for what is sorta could be construed as maybe a little right. Sorta. All I can say to you, is: Run with the rest of the world!

[Doublebass73]

The votes RP will pull could well make the difference

That might be true.

The "real conservatives" should have thought of that when they did nothing but trash Ron Paul and his supporters during the primary season but now you expect Ron Paul and his supporters to forget all that and vote for the grandfather of Obamacare? We have had umteen threads and hundreds of posts right here on GBO about how bad Ron Paul is but now you're saying that he and his supporters are important. Who divided the party?

[SwampThing762]

The stakes of this election are very simple:   The less consolidated anti-Obama votes are, the greater the chances Obama gets a second term and his opportunity to complete the destruction of America.

I am a Santorum man, but I cannot in good conscience allow the Obamination get another term to complete his plan to destroy this nation.   I will cast my vote for Romney because it has the greatest likelihood of dethroning the Muslim wannabe caliph in the White House.

People here say their vote has nothing to do with their pride.  Pigswill!!    The blacks will vote for Obama because of racial pride, and Democrat party faithful will vote because of party pride -- they know they will get something out of the deal.   They provide a united front.

Meanwhile, Republicans and conservatives squabble like children, with some going home to pout because they do not want to play the same game as the other kids.

We have many reasons to be proud -- I am proud to be a free American with choices.   A second Obama term will guarantee that we will neither be free, or have choices.   My preferred future shows Americans with jobs, Medicare and Social Security for those who require it as part of their retirement, and a strong economy with the capability to pay down and eliminate our debt.

To those individuals who say they will never vote for Romney [becasue of pride] and choose door #3, I have one thing to say -- Door #3 is a back-door vote for door #1, Obama the Destroyer.     Also, remember your scriptures that "pride goes before a fall"; we must insure we make the best decision.   Another four years of Obama will insure the fall of this nation.

ST762

[Dee]

Scriptures also say: Judge not, lest ye be judged yourselves. ST762, you don't know me, and have not a clue about my moral make up. Your the one settling for less and less every election, and blaming me and others,for your own lowering of your own "claimed standards".
You too, are part of a group. A group that THINKS their right, so YOUR PRIDE says everyone else is wrong that disagrees with you. I do not vote on pride. I vote on Godly morals, and truth. Just because you don't, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't either. This mind set appears every election cycle with the same results. When America changes, Washington will change.

[Gary G]

The US currently stands at 222 trillion in debt liabilities. Do you realize what a trillion is? It is a million million. The government has to come up with 222 future million millions to continue course. There is not that much money presently in the world. It is estimated that to save medicare and social security, it will need to be cut 40% immediately. This is politically impossible for any candidate who remotely discusses the subject will be immediately put out of office. There was only one candidate willing to do something about this. He was the candidate of freedom and liberty. I can't understand why so many people put sustaining their current lifestyle ahead of freedom, liberty, and self reliance. I guess they want the handout more than their freedom. So they choose to be debt slaves.

To vote for the lesser of two evils will not do any good as this ship is sinking anyway under the Keynesian influence of our present government. However, it will insure that evil predominates the near future. Wars, loss of standard of living, and surveillance are in the cards for you. It has been going on for ten years and will accelerate even faster now. They will continue to rob the productive and give it to the unproductive. The people, in their ignorance, have rejected the chance to do something about it and to fight back. What is left is to prepare by storing some of your wealth in real assets, not paper assets or government promises.

Rombama will not matter. One way may get it over a few months sooner than the other. But still they have not made any changes to the systemic problems of 2008. They have only counterfeited for a temporary boost in markets that will insure the final outcome to be much worse. All of the systemic problems are still there and magnified. 

I prefer Dee's reasoning. Do what is right and honest?

[Doublebass73]

The stakes of this election are very simple:   The less consolidated anti-Obama votes are, the greater the chances Obama gets a second term and his opportunity to complete the destruction of America.

I am a Santorum man, but I cannot in good conscience allow the Obamination get another term to complete his plan to destroy this nation.   I will cast my vote for Romney because it has the greatest likelihood of dethroning the Muslim wannabe caliph in the White House.

People here say their vote has nothing to do with their pride.  Pigswill!!    The blacks will vote for Obama because of racial pride, and Democrat party faithful will vote because of party pride -- they know they will get something out of the deal.   They provide a united front.

Meanwhile, Republicans and conservatives squabble like children, with some going home to pout because they do not want to play the same game as the other kids.

We have many reasons to be proud -- I am proud to be a free American with choices.   A second Obama term will guarantee that we will neither be free, or have choices.   My preferred future shows Americans with jobs, Medicare and Social Security for those who require it as part of their retirement, and a strong economy with the capability to pay down and eliminate our debt.

To those individuals who say they will never vote for Romney [becasue of pride] and choose door #3, I have one thing to say -- Door #3 is a back-door vote for door #1, Obama the Destroyer.     Also, remember your scriptures that "pride goes before a fall"; we must insure we make the best decision.   Another four years of Obama will insure the fall of this nation.

ST762

[Cuts Crooked]

To those individuals who say they will never vote for Romney [becasue of pride] and choose door #3, I have one thing to say -- Door #3 is a back-door vote for door #1, Obama the Destroyer.     Also, remember your scriptures that "pride goes before a fall"; we must insure we make the best decision.   Another four years of Obama will insure the fall of this nation.

Thread locker?? You call that a Thread locker?/

THIS is a "thread locker": To those who say that a vote for anyone other than Romney is a backdoor vote for Obama and accuse them of voting "pride",  I have one thing to say. You are moral cowards and liars. You DESERVE what you get! And, you will get what you deserve.

[SHOOTALL]

Maybe the party is still out of step and Ron is standing up for us who don't care to follow the good old boys . Maybe those in power are dividing it by trying to not change to what voters want . Things like honesty and such.

[Dixie Dude]

I voted for Paul in the primary because I knew Romney would probably carry the state.  Anyways I am voting for Romney because Obama is far far far worse.  I would rather have a moderate in office than a far left socialist.  Romney knows the debt is too large, that is why he got Ryan for VP.  He came up with a plan to balance the budget by 2020 and then begin paying down the debt.  And Obama has the gall to call it radical.  Anything to the right of Obama he calls radical. 

[SHOOTALL]

it boils down to control , the leaders want a canidate they can control not one who thinks for themselves. The best choice may still not be a good choice and voters want a good choice .

[Doublebass73]

Maybe the party is still out of step and Ron is standing up for us who don't care to follow the good old boys . Maybe those in power are dividing it by trying to not change to what voters want . Things like honesty and such.

Bingo!

Ron Paul is guided by principles as are his supporters. He and his supporters are chided by the "real conservatives" for not following the rest of the sheep and acting like cheap whores for the Republican party.

Isn't it funny now, all the threads we had here on GBO during the primary season about what a joke Ron Paul and his supporters are, how irrelevant he is, how irrelevant his supporters are. I remember all of these threads. All of you "real conservatives" did your best to marginalize Paul's candidacy just like Faux News and the rest of the  media did. Guess what? It's time to pay the piper.

[Gary G]

For you neocons and also you good people who have been conned, here is your answer, to help you better understand:
http://lewrockwell.com/rockwell/ron-paul-and-the-future196.html

[nw_hunter]

And refusing to vote for the ONLY man running with a GOOD chance to dethrone the illegal kenyan is what?? Ridiculous is the kindest word I can think of. Not voting for Romney says that you are perfectly ok with the obamination in the white house.
 
IF obummer is re elected you can take pride that you tossed your vote in the trash and encouraged others to do the same, knowing that you could have made the difference in helping America rid ourselves of the biggest catastrophe we have ever seen.
 
You can be proud when you hand over your guns to obummers brown shirts, knowing you could of stopped it, but hey, it's cool, you still have your pride.
 
Defeating the obamination is Americas TOP priority if we want to save our nation from the liberal pukes that are invading our everyday lives and poisoning the minds of our children.
POWDERMAN. 

Defeating a Democrat, or defeating a Republican should not be the top priority! The top priority should be ridding the country of this filth from both sides of the isle.We will never get it done, if we continue to vote party line politics.The proof that these skunks are the same stripe is so evident a child should be able to grasp it.We must shake off the sheeple mentality if we are to ever get the form of government back that made us so great.

We are never going to see eye to eye 100% with any candidate, but we should NEVER be ready to give up our principals by voting for someone who is just a tad better than the sorriest, most evil thing we have ever had as a leader.If that's all anyone expects, then they should find something else to do on election day.JMO! I feel we lose with either elected.I will vote on election day for the one I feel deserves my vote.

If anyone feels Romney or Obama is deserving of their vote, then they have made the right choice, and I will and have fought for their right to do so, and I won't publicly blame them. That  is the American way......right?

[blind ear]

I think Ron Paul can do what his belief's tell him to do at this point and it won't change the outcome of the election. We have to vote for a candidate on the ballot and enough people are sick of Obama to just vote against him. Will the fuzzy fringers make enough difference to lose to those that "vote for a living"? I hope not but I don't know, If not we have bigger problems than Ron Paul's convictions anyway. ear

[Cuts Crooked]

We have to vote for a candidate on the ballot

REALLY!?!?! And God told this personally too I guess?

Still sounds like "Sheeple Thinking" to me!

[powderman]

Texas Rep. Ron Paul is fulfilling his role as the party outsider -- having held a rally Sunday several miles from the Tampa Bay Times Forum in which he told a crowd of roughly 8,000 rowdy, libertarian-minded attendees that the Republican establishment was "failing" the country and that the party would eventually drift into his "tent."
 
"We'll get into the tent, believe me, because we'll become the tent eventually," the 77-year-old congressman said. "Once they know we are the future they will know about us."
Paul is supposed to be honored at the convention with a video tribute, despite attempting to upstage Romney and the entire convention by jockeying for delegates long after exiting the race.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/27/former-gop-candidates-arrive-in-tampa-assume-varied-roles/#ixzz24mtoQdWC

[Minnesota1]

Ron Paul didn't endors McCain and I don't recall if he's endorsed any Republican Presidential candidate.  He's a sore loser and Egocentric.  Instead of helping the party that actually gave him platform where so many can hear his ramblings and incoherent babblings he would rather play the game and let supporters go to spoil elections and help Democrats get into office and appoint judges who rule against everything he believes in.  Gun rights included.  But hey, it's conviction!  Ya right.

[billy_56081]

Don't matter to me my vote in Minnesota won't matter. I sent Paul money in the primary and now to Romney in the general election. I'm just waiting for the ax to fall so we can shake off the dead weight and rebuild.

[Cuts Crooked]

......and the big lie continues to do its work well amongst all the neocons here.

Keep telling it! Your masters love you for it!

[billy_56081]

So what is "the big lie"?