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So what is "the big lie"?
The big lie is that your vote matters. You have been voting for several years and the path has not changed. The government keeps growing and you keep losing, no matter who you vote for. Your vote keeps you civil and in compliance. If you were totally shut out and had no say, you would complain or revolt. They let you think that you have been heard simply by voting and, while not entirely satisfied with the result after some time passes, you behave as one of the sheeple until the next election and you can do it over again. Without the passive compliance of the majority, they would loose their ability to be your master.
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Hmm I musta missed that lie because I know my vote doesn't matter. Said it dozens of times right here on GBO. Also I don't think most peoples opinions matter to me.

So it must not be too big of a lie as I have not heard it. 
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Ron Paul didn't endors McCain and I don't recall if he's endorsed any Republican Presidential candidate.  He's a sore loser and Egocentric.  Instead of helping the party that actually gave him platform where so many can hear his ramblings and incoherent babblings he would rather play the game and let supporters go to spoil elections and help Democrats get into office and appoint judges who rule against everything he believes in.  Gun rights included.  But hey, it's conviction!  Ya right.

 
Good post Sir. If RP was serious and not just a glory hound I'd think that he would want to see a potus that he could work with. Spoiler. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Oh wait a minute my vote did matter once. Sunday liquor was on that ballot. In the little town I lived in I was convinced to vote for it. It passed 13 to 12. So my vote did matter.
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Well, I can't bring myself to believe that the posters here are that stupid, so I have to believe that they are being facitious. ::)

The Big Lie, as used here on GBO and elsewhere,
"Any vote for anyone other than Romney is a vote for Obama, and anyone running against him is helping Obama."
 It keeps getting told over and over again, until it seems to sound like truth to those who hear it constantly. A wwell established liberal tactic now being used by the neocons.

Some of the interesting paradoxes that come with it are things like the fact this sort of statement, an accuzation actually, is diametrically opposed to the American concept of freedom.....while claiming to be trying to preserve that concept. It also has "conservatives" supporting a man who has said and done things they claim to despise. And he has said and done these things with extreme conviction.

Which leads me to question the convictions of his supporters, they do not seem to believe in freedom, nor do they really care about this nations future........given the nature of the man they are giving their vote too.
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Something else comes to mind in the midst of all this......Paul was told he could speak at the convention, as long as his words were vetted by the party and he gave his support to Romney.


He refused, and rightfully so! This sort of thing has been done many time down through history by men looking to become "leaders". Essentially they are saying, "you will toe the party line or you will not be heard".

Yup! Some truly great "leaders" used this tactic........who all comes to mind? :o

The republican party has sunk very low indeed!
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Romney and the good old boy network are changing the rules to ensure nothing but status quo candidates in the future. This rule change would allow Romney to remove any delegate he didn't like and replace them with a delegate of his choosing.  Luckily the delegates are revolting against this, including all of the Texas delegates and many from other states. Even some Romney delegates are against this.

Who did you say was dividing the party Powderman?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/texas-delegates-planning-floor-mutiny-over-rnc-rules-225837647.html

Texas delegates planning floor mutiny over RNC rules changes

TAMPA--On Monday morning, at a meeting of more than 100 Texan delegates and alternates at the Saddlebrook Resort 20 miles north of Tampa, one topic got the crowd more fired up than any other. Delegate Melinda Fredricks read aloud a letter condemning recent changes to the national Republican party's rules that would allow the GOP presidential candidate to veto and replace state delegates.


"Our delegates are in shock that such an amendment even would be presented before the Rules Committee much less passed into rule," Fredricks said. "Please know from the Texas delegation standpoint that the only way a floor fight can be avoided is for this rule to be stricken."
At that point, the entire Texas delegation stood up and applauded.


Texans don't necessarily want to have an ugly floor fight on the same day the party officially nominates Mitt Romney. But they're willing to do it if their concerns about the rule aren't satisfied. The changes, which Mitt Romney's top lawyer put forward last week and Gov. Haley Barbour along with some other Romney supporters have embraced, are seen by opponents as intended to significantly weaken the power of grassroots politics and insurgent candidates such as Ron Paul. Many against the move worry that it would give national candidates the power to replace delegates--often grassroots party faithfuls--with big-time donors or friends.


"We truly consider that an infringement on our rights," Fredricks, a member of the rules committee, told Yahoo News of the changes. Today, states generally choose their delegates at state conventions, and then those individuals travel to the national convention to cast their vote for a candidate based on the share the candidate won of the primary or caucus vote of each state. But, the changes could allow a candidate such as Mitt Romney to boot out any delegates who are assigned to vote for him and replace them.


While opposition to the rules began with Ron Paul supporters, it has spread to the entire Texas delegation and significant portions of those from South Carolina, Colorado, Virginia and Louisiana too. Mitt Romney's campaign lawyer Ben Ginsberg proposed the rule last week, but even some Romney supporters are staunchly opposed to the changes. Indiana delegate and Romney supporter James Bopp wrote in an email to RNC members that it's "the biggest power grab in the history of the Republican Party." Fredricks, a Romney supporter, says only 30 people of the more than 300 Texan alternates and delegates support Ron Paul, yet the delegation is "united" in its opposition to the rule.


At 2pm on Tuesday, the Rules Committee members will debate whether the new rule should be struck down. Fredericks thinks she has the 29 members necessary to start a debate about the change, and is hopeful she can resolve the issue before the committee adjourns and joins the larger convention floor.


"We like to fight behind closed doors...Most of us are reluctant to do a floor flight," Fredricks said.
RNC Chairman Reince Priebus told Salon Monday that he does not expect a floor fight, though he did not explain why.


Paulites are among the staunchest opponents of the new rule. It would prevent insurgent candidates such as Paul from raking up delegate votes in caucus states where party conventions instead of the statewide vote determine how many delegates are awarded. ABC's Chris Good points out that Paul would not have won a plurality of delegates in four states if this rule had been in effect during this primary.


Paul supporter Karen Skrill, an alternate delegate from Vermont, said she and her husband Stewart, a delegate, are upset about the changed rules.


"If this is how it's going to be, I don't want to be a Republican," Skrill told Yahoo News in a discussion on the floor Monday. The Skrills are retired farmers.


"Texas in general doesn't believe the national level should be picking delegates," added Jon Burgin, an alternate delegate from San Antonio who supports Paul. "It's pretty egregious."

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He has accomplished alot by not backing off in key areas. His influence caused the House to vote on a Fed Audit, which the Republicans went with, but of course the Socialist Dems voted against.
 
He has made a difference.
 
It is also a cinch I think that he won't endorse Johnson. Like I said he has principle.  ;)
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All Romney had to do to secure Paul's endorsement was let Paul say what he wanted to at the convention.  It would have unified the party against Obama.  But Romeny tried to be pompus about it and now he's going to have to pay the price for excluding true conservatives. 
 
But it's OK folks... Paul Ryan is in damage control mode now!
 
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/paul-ryan-makes-pitch-to-ron-paul-supporters-we-see-eye-to-eye-on-a-lot-of-issues/
 
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All Romney had to do to secure Paul's endorsement was let Paul say what he wanted to at the convention.  It would have unified the party against Obama.  But Romeny tried to be pompus about it and now he's going to have to pay the price for excluding true conservatives. 
 
But it's OK folks... Paul Ryan is in damage control mode now!
 
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/paul-ryan-makes-pitch-to-ron-paul-supporters-we-see-eye-to-eye-on-a-lot-of-issues/

Most of Ron Paul supporters weren't going to vote for Romney anyway.  All this "youth" that are at his rally's are just college kids that do not ever want to be drafted or go to war--in that fact they want to stick their heads in the sand like Paul, and young people and old hippies that want drugs legalized.  Most wouldn't support any Republican candidate just like Paul is doing.

Why wouldn't they want to watch what Paul is saying?  It's not his convention, he didn't win any states nor is he supporting the candidate?  Why should he have the right to spew his lunacies around so all the press and Obama can suck up all the oxygen in the room painting Romney or questioning Romney/Ryan about what Paul has said and not about their vision for America?  Conventions are for the guy/gal that wins.  Not for sore losers.  It's a privilege to speak at it and if he can't abide by a few rules then that shows what type of speech he was going to give.  They have a theme for the convention and that is their right as the victors.

Besides, in all the years Paul has been in Congress, what has he accomplished?  All the stuff he goes off on he has never swayed any of his colleagues on either side of the aisle to help him inact his "vision".  All he has done is fill spending bills with pork for his district and then vote against the bill because of principle!  See through RP's "big lie" and see his hypocrisy!  It amazes me how people can talk about the "big lie" and not see how bad RP actually dupes you all with his actions vs. his words.

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Seems I was wrong.......they weren't being facitious. :o
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Call me duped! But I believe it was Rothbard's Conceived in Liberty that had the greatest power over me. Than along came Ron Paul, sounding like the early John Adams and also like Thomas Paine. And then, the modern politicians sounding something like the Tories and merchantilist of Great Britain, seemed so repulsive in the same lies as told then and for their own benefit.


Minnesota, I am curious, what part of freedom and liberty is it that you don't like?
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Well, about three years ago, Obama ran on "hope and change". It is popular to ask those voters who voted for him: How's that change workin for ya? And then the laughter come.

Well, about 40 years ago, folks started votin the lessor of two evils. SO! How's the lessor evil workin for ya? But it really ain't funny. 
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Paul supporter Karen Skrill, an alternate delegate from Vermont, said she and her husband Stewart, a delegate, are upset about the changed rules.


"If this is how it's going to be, I don't want to be a Republican," Skrill told Yahoo News in a discussion on the floor Monday. The Skrills are retired farmers.


"Texas in general doesn't believe the national level should be picking delegates," added Jon Burgin, an alternate delegate from San Antonio who supports Paul. "It's pretty egregious."


And there you have it in a nutshell, people who believe in true freedom do not want to support the republican party's new form of socialism/fascism. :P

   
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Well, about three years ago, Obama ran on "hope and change". It is popular to ask those voters who voted for him: How's that change workin for ya? And then the laughter come.

Well, about 40 years ago, folks started votin the lessor of two evils. SO! How's the lessor evil workin for ya? But it really ain't funny.



Duck started a sticky for debating the lesser of two evils.I don't want to have to lock this one!
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Powderman,

In case you were still wondering why Paul and his supporters won't vote for Romney, it's attitudes like this which there are plenty of in the Republican party:

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Most of Ron Paul supporters weren't going to vote for Romney anyway.  All this "youth" that are at his rally's are just college kids that do not ever want to be drafted or go to war--in that fact they want to stick their heads in the sand like Paul, and young people and old hippies that want drugs legalized.  Most wouldn't support any Republican candidate just like Paul is doing.

Why wouldn't they want to watch what Paul is saying?  It's not his convention, he didn't win any states nor is he supporting the candidate?  Why should he have the right to spew his lunacies around so all the press and Obama can suck up all the oxygen in the room painting Romney or questioning Romney/Ryan about what Paul has said and not about their vision for America?  Conventions are for the guy/gal that wins.  Not for sore losers.  It's a privilege to speak at it and if he can't abide by a few rules then that shows what type of speech he was going to give.  They have a theme for the convention and that is their right as the victors.

Besides, in all the years Paul has been in Congress, what has he accomplished?  All the stuff he goes off on he has never swayed any of his colleagues on either side of the aisle to help him inact his "vision".  All he has done is fill spending bills with pork for his district and then vote against the bill because of principle!  See through RP's "big lie" and see his hypocrisy!  It amazes me how people can talk about the "big lie" and not see how bad RP actually dupes you all with his actions vs. his words.

All I have to say is good luck Republicans, you're going to need it since your candidate is running neck and neck in the polls with one of the worst presidents in US history. People who actually believe in liberty and the Constitution won't be voting for your liberal candidate.
   
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So Ron Paul won't compromise his principals for a little face time at the convention for the democrat extension party?  Good man I have even more respect for him now.
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Seems I was wrong.......they weren't being facitious. :o

And there goes the personal attacks again, but I guess I only get tagged on that one.

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Seems I was wrong.......they weren't being facitious. :o

And there goes the personal attacks again, but I guess I only get tagged on that one.

What makes you think it was directed only at you? The key word being "they".
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Seems I was wrong.......they weren't being facitious. :o

And there goes the personal attacks again, but I guess I only get tagged on that one.

Your the one that started the flaming on this thread, and it's getting old.Put a lid on it!
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Call me duped! But I believe it was Rothbard's Conceived in Liberty that had the greatest power over me. Than along came Ron Paul, sounding like the early John Adams and also like Thomas Paine. And then, the modern politicians sounding something like the Tories and merchantilist of Great Britain, seemed so repulsive in the same lies as told then and for their own benefit.


Minnesota, I am curious, what part of freedom and liberty is it that you don't like?

I love liberty and freedom!  I do believe by not fighting within a political party for your ideals you are actually giving up your freedoms and liberty.  It seems most are saying we are going to go bankrupt and then have to start all over.  So why not fight with the Tea Parties and get elected strong fiscal conservatives that will shake Congress like they are doing and keep electing more and more.  That is how power and policy is won.  That is how we will become unshackled from the tyranny of our government.  Not sticking our heads in the sand and voting 3rd party that has no power, no governing coalition, nothing! 

If our country would fall apart, think of what that would mean:  What makes anyone here think people will all of a sudden become "constitutionalists"?  History and a lazy populous tells us otherwise.  So in my mind the only thing to do is go in and fight for as long as it takes to make the changes we need locally and nationally.  Electing strong conservatives will do ten fold as to what any 3rd party person, that never gets elected and never has any say, can do. 

So I would ask what part of freedom and libert you do not like?  Because you will lose both if you don't fight to put in strong conservative leaders all over the nation.  I live in Texas now, but I have given money to Scott Walker and many, many, many other candidates nationwide that I believe can turn the tide and stop weak kneed Republicans from caving in.  That's were I stand on that.  Thanks for the question I do appreciate it.

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Most of Ron Paul supporters weren't going to vote for Romney anyway.  All this "youth" that are at his rally's are just college kids that do not ever want to be drafted or go to war--in that fact they want to stick their heads in the sand like Paul, and young people and old hippies that want drugs legalized.  Most wouldn't support any Republican candidate just like Paul is doing.

Funny, I support Ron Paul's views yet I have no plans to dodge a draft or use illicit drugs... Sterotyping much there? 
 
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Supporting RP shows a distinct lack of sticking ones head in the sand.
 
 
This may be the biggest hypocritical statement I've heard in some time. The guy is for being fiscally responsible, staying out of wars that are bankrupting us and wants to audit the Fed. I would say droning on and on endlessly about having to stop Obama without having any definative arguement other than that is burying one's head in the sand.  Also see the lessor of 2 evils thread for further arguements on the matter...
 
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Why should he have the right to spew his lunacies around

Again, since when is promoting fiscal responsibility and wanting to audit the Fed lunacy?
 
Why do you have the right to spew your opinion around?  Why do I have the right to have a different opinion than you?  RP is no different and if asked to speak at a convention he should be able to say whatever he pleases.  The First Amendment guarentees our right to free speech.  Only I've found that the more free your speech is these days the more people label you as "crazy".
 
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Conventions are for the guy/gal that wins.  Not for sore losers.

No conventions are an attempt to unify a party.  So far the Romney campaign is bombing this one...
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It's a privilege to speak at it and if he can't abide by a few rules then that shows what type of speech he was going to give.

No, is proof that he doesn't want a potential governing body to censor his 1st amendment rights.
 
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See through RP's "big lie" and see his hypocrisy! 

I'll do that when your admit to seeing through your own sir.  Again this is where I'll redirect you to the lessor of 2 evil thread so that a decent conversation doesn't get locked down because people can't abide by the forum rules...
 
 


 
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so if Rommey can't generate enough votes its Paul's fault . Maybe Rommey should refine his platform ? instead of trying to scare people to vote for him .
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Or maybe Romney should let people from all walks of the conservative movement speak their minds.  Doing so would unite the entire conservative base and make it plausible for everybody to vote for Romeny with a clear consious.  It isn't Paul dividing the party.  Romney's campaign is...
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I hear a great deal of whining...saying the Reps & Dems are exactly the same. I have even heard terms such as Republicrats or Demicans bandied about (always worth a sympathetic chuckle).
   Well, I am neither..but I am not so politically juvenile that I think they are exactly the same!  Listed below is the reductions in expenditures which have been sponsored by 33 members of the house. It  hasn't gone through the full house..because they are in recess.  The sponsors were all from one party..can you possibly guess which party??
 
 
 
List of _ _ _ _ _ Budget Cuts, WOW
Notice Soc.Sec. and the Military are NOT on this list.
These are all the programs that the _ _ _ _ _ House has proposed cutting.
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* Corporation for Public Broadcasting Subsidy — $445 million annual savings.
* Save America’s Treasures Program — $25 million annual savings.
* International Fund for Ireland — $17 million annual savings.
* Legal Services Corporation — $420 million annual savings.
* National Endowment for the Arts — $167.5 million annual savings.
* National Endowment for the Humanities — $167.5 million annual savings.
* Hope VI Program — $250 million annual savings.
* Amtrak Subsidies — $1.565 billion annual savings.
* Eliminate duplicative education programs — H.R. 2274 (in last Congress), authored by Rep. McKeon, eliminates 68 at a savings of $1.3 billion annually.
* U.S. Trade Development Agency — $55 million annual savings.
* Woodrow Wilson Center Subsidy — $20 million annual savings.
* Cut in half funding for congressional printing and binding — $47 million annual savings.
* John C. Stennis Center Subsidy — $430,000 annual savings.
* Community Development Fund — $4.5 billion annual savings.
* Heritage Area Grants and Statutory Aid — $24 million annual savings.
* Cut Federal Travel Budget in Half — $7.5 billion annual savings
* Trim Federal Vehicle Budget by 20% — $600 million annual savings.
* Essential Air Service — $150 million annual savings.
* Technology Innovation Program — $70 million annual savings.
* Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) Program — $125 million annual savings.
* Department of Energy Grants to States for Weatherization — $530 million annual savings.
* Beach Replenishment — $95 million annual savings.
* New Starts Transit — $2 billion annual savings.
* Exchange Programs for Alaska Natives, Native Hawaiians, and Their Historical Trading Partners in Massachusetts — $9 million annual savings
* Intercity and High Speed Rail Grants — $2.5 billion annual savings.
* Title X Family Planning — $318 million annual savings.
* Appalachian Regional Commission — $76 million annual savings.
* Economic Development Administration — $293 million annual savings.
* Programs under the National and Community Services Act — $1.15 billion annual savings.
* Applied Research at Department of Energy — $1.27 billion annual savings.
* Freedom CAR and Fuel Partnership — $200 million annual savings.
* Energy Star Program — $52 million annual savings.
* Economic Assistance to Egypt — $250 million annually.
* U.S. Agency for International Development — $1.39 billion annual savings.
* General Assistance to District of Columbia — $210 million annual savings.
* Subsidy for Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority — $150 million annual savings.
* Presidential Campaign Fund — $775 million savings over ten years.
* No funding for federal office space acquisition — $864 million annual savings.
* End prohibitions on competitive sourcing of government services.
* Repeal the Davis-Bacon Act — More than $1 billion annually.
* IRS Direct Deposit: Require the IRS to deposit fees for some services it offers (such as processing payment plans for taxpayers) to the Treasury, instead of allowing it to remain as part of its budget — $1.8 billion savings over ten years.
* Require collection of unpaid taxes by federal employees — $1 billion total savings.
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS ABOUT?
* Prohibit taxpayer funded union activities by federal employees — $1.2 billion savings over ten years.
* Sell excess federal properties the government does not make use of — $15 billion total savings.
* Eliminate death gratuity for Members of Congress. WHAT???
* Eliminate Mohair Subsidies — $1 million annual savings.
* Eliminate taxpayer subsidies to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change — $12.5 million annual savings WELL ISN’T THAT SPECIAL
* Eliminate Market Access Program — $200 million annual savings.
* USDA Sugar Program — $14 million annual savings.
* Subsidy to Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) — $93 million annual savings.
* Eliminate the National Organic Certification Cost-Share Program — $56.2 million annual savings.
* Eliminate fund for Obamacare administrative costs — $900 million savings.
* Ready to Learn TV Program — $27 million savings.. WHY?????
* HUD Ph.D. Program.
* Deficit Reduction Check-Off Act.
* TOTAL SAVINGS: $2.5 Trillion over Ten Years
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      Can you guess which party sponsored these cuts ?  If  you can't then I can see where you may theink the 2 parties are the same.. ;)   ;D   ;D
 
   In fact, if the nature of these cuts don't lend them to opne group more than the other..perhaps you should honestly question whether you reall are qualified to cast an intelligent vote!
 
   I'll watch...and if enough are still in the woods..I'll be helpful ...and clue them in.. ;)   :D 
 
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

Offline Gary G

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Ironglow, tell me this: under which republican administration has federal total spending been less than that of the previous administration?
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Ironglow, tell me this: under which republican administration has federal total spending been less than that of the previous administration?
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  The question is...Which party sponsored that bill?  .......Or do you 'give up' !
 
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  Another game played here:
   
   "Any vote for anyone other than Romney is a vote for Obama, and anyone running against him is helping Obama."
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   Well folks..put the emotions aside...and do the math!  Suppose her is the result in November..
 
 
      Romney/Ryan  34, 364, 782
      Obama/Biden   34, 364, 696
                         ___________
                                      +86      Romney/Ryan wins
 
...or..
 
    Romney/Ryan   34, 364, 679
    Too bullheaded
     to vote                      103
    Obama/Biden    34, 364, 696
                        ___________
                                     - 17     Obama/Biden wins
 
   This could happen in a swing state, ... the year 2000 election..in case your memory is short..Just over 300 convicted felonm votes.... got us Obamacare.
    So you see, IT IS NO LIE if you put aside the EMOTIONS and do the MATH..
 
   Call it something you don't like, or something you wish were not so..but calliing it a falsehood ..is a falsehood in itself!
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Ironglow, tell me this: under which republican administration has federal total spending been less than that of the previous administration?
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  The question is...Which party sponsored that bill?  .......Do you 'give up' !
Why wasn't it vetoed or voted down?


Of course the answer to which republican administration spent less than the previous administration is none, it has never happened, at least in the last hundred years.


Now the question is why? (now I don't know all the reasons, but I can think of a few).
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“Everyone wants to live at the expense of the State. They forget that the State lives at the expense of everyone.” — Frederic Bastiat

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re guardless who is voted in.  i truly be live we should use are vote to keep them at one term