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Offline tturner53

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Tried 45-70 max loads?
« on: August 15, 2012, 07:19:48 PM »
I spend more time on cast bullet specific forums, that's my thing. I shoot cb's in everything. Fairly often some one will ask 'what's the limit?' for 45-70 loads in a Handi. Usually it's the result of seeing the different load levels published in the loading manuals. There's always a standard reply, from some one, pointing out the gun will stand more than you can. I agree, been there, done that. Now I look for lighter and lighter loads for my H&R 45-70. More fun, less pain. I got some Trail Boss and Ranch Dog 350s to mess with.  But, I'm wondering what others have done as far as pushing the limit. What's the heaviest load you've tried? I'm just curious, not likely to go there again myself. I'm definitely not advocating heavy loads or exceeding published maximums, just wondering.
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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2012, 07:45:46 PM »
I couldnt get enough velocity out of that little 45-70 case so i reamed it to a 45-120 ;D ::)
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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2012, 04:13:21 AM »
I've used Barnes H4198 data up to 54.5gr for the 300gr TSX-FB in my Ultra Hunter, their max of 57.5gr is rated at 55kpsi.

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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2012, 05:37:23 AM »
400 grain jacketed over 51.5 H4198 in an unmodified 22" Handi.  Big recoil, bigger divot in forehead.
 
Also shot two of MAC's "bruiser reloads", 405 grain gas checked Cast Performance with a bunch of RL7 (I pulled a bullet and weighed the charge and no way will I post the result :o ).  Made the first load I listed seem like a trapdoor round. ;D   Ask Dinny, I heard MAC's loadings in 45-70 are his favorites. ::) ;)
 
 
 
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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2012, 05:44:45 AM »
I don't care for divots in forehead!!  :-[ ??? :o

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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2012, 06:11:34 AM »
Tim, I don't even play golf and I know you're supposed to replace those divots ;)

My .45-70 and I like the 405 Remington over IMR4198 for 1950 fps.  I don't believe it is max, but it does get your attention.  It's not much fun off the bench, but where I use it, it can reach out and get the job done.

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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2012, 08:05:20 AM »
My divots ran down my nose and dripped all over the bench!!  :-X

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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2012, 08:16:06 AM »
 
 
55 gr of RL-7 pushing a 350 gr Hdy RN.     O U C H !!! :o
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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2012, 08:49:16 AM »
405 gr gas-checked Montana Bullet Works cast FP over 50 gr RL7.  :o  And that's NOT max.
Immediately after that range session, I installed a Limbsaver recoil pad for the Handi and ordered a box of Hornady 300 gr JHPs. Don't think I'll ever use up those 405s!
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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2012, 09:14:43 AM »
Hornady lists 400gr jacketed RL7 loads to 55.5gr @50kcup(50kpsi).

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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2012, 10:26:09 AM »
Wow. Some of those loads could probably be reasonable rhinocerous loads. I'm a big fan of penetration in hunting loads, but geeze. I'm going way off topic but there was a famous incident in Sacramento years ago, The 'Good Guys' store was in hostage mode. A sherrif's sniper fired a shot at a bad guy with a .223, it deflected off a glass door. The bad guys then proceeded to shoot the hostages. Maybe if the sniper had a 45-70 Handi with one of these monster loads those people would still be here. If I was a SWAT guy I'd have a big bore in the arsenal, just in case.
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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2012, 10:43:57 AM »
Quote from: BBF on August 16, 2012, 08:16:06 AM

 
55 gr of RL-7 pushing a 350 gr Hdy RN.     O U C H !!! :o

Wow, 52 gr. was more than I wanted with my BC and a 32" barrel.  I personally like 49 gr. RL 7 with the same bullet.  ;)
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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2012, 01:30:49 PM »
I personally prefer to be able to actually move my shoulder without pain.
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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2012, 05:05:08 PM »
No pain with a Leadsled.  ;)

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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2012, 06:11:54 PM »
550 gr JB Young Crater-2 driven at 1950 fps. I only fired ONE....

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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2012, 04:35:47 AM »
I'd never seen those Crater's before.  I'd like to try them in my 450 Sharps Express at 2150 +/-!   ;D
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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2012, 05:07:28 AM »
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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2012, 06:28:06 AM »
Thanks Tim!   ;D
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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2012, 10:39:30 AM »
Yes.
BBF, I'm with you on that load.
If you scope, an in-expensive scope that will take the shock? (fogproof,shockproof,waterproof).....Centerpoint 2-7X32mm.
Long eye relief and good enough (for me) to 100 yrds. Haven't had it hit me yet. It's not perfect, in fact the edges are foggy...But I don't shoot from the edges.
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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2012, 01:11:22 AM »
"If I was a SWAT guy I'd have a big bore in the arsenal, just in case."


Some police departments keep Marlin guide guns around.
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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2012, 03:41:35 PM »
SR4759 over whatever a 2.8 Lee dipper gives.  I   under the skin didn't write down the weight.  It chronos at 1560.  20 rounds left a bruise and broken blood vessel in my shoulder that leaked blood under the skin  all the way to my elbow.  I should have gone to  the doc, but was too stubborn.  It finally cleared up.  I will not bench that thing again even with a pad.  I am considering a mercury recoil device.


I also have the 3 1/2 12 ga. barrel on that gun.  Tried ONE 2 oz shell off hand.  Never again, I think it would literally break bones after a few rounds.
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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2012, 06:36:55 AM »
I've got one of those mercury gizmos that is not being used currently.
My answer to the recoil was to have synthetic stocks on the Handis and fill the butt with  play sand encased in denim material. The balance of the rifle changed a little which I like and the extra weight does reduce free recoil.
 
I stay within upper Trapdoor to lower Marlin pressure loads. I have a few new commercial cast bullets to try out once it cools down and the bloodsuckers have returned to the place that spawned them.
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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2012, 05:28:11 AM »
A 100% load density of TrailBoss under the 350 or 405 cast Lee bullet is just fine in the H&R for me.
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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2012, 05:37:22 AM »
i like to shoot mine a lot i love trail boss. don't play the max game anymore. i like to watch guys shot the 45-70 in there derringers though crazy. :o
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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2012, 06:29:25 AM »
LOL !
 With a Postel type bullet the base just enters the rifling when the tip sticks out of the muzzle. ;D ;D
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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2012, 09:51:25 PM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on August 17, 2012, 05:07:28 AM
Here ya go Richard!!  ;D

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those Crators seem far too narrow on the nose for my 45/70's.  the bores measure .455 or so.... 

I traded away a Lyman 462560 for that very reason
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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2012, 10:22:59 PM »
Quote from: bikerbeans on August 16, 2012, 05:37:23 AM
Also shot two of MAC's "bruiser reloads", 405 grain gas checked Cast Performance with a bunch of RL7 (I pulled a bullet and weighed the charge and no way will I post the result :o ).  Made the first load I listed seem like a trapdoor round. ;D  Ask Dinny, I heard MAC's loadings in 45-70 are his favorites. ::) ;)  
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No way would I ever post the load either. I feel kinda foolish saying I even shot them. Luckily I'm still alive to tell the tale. :o

Thanks, Dinny
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Re: Tried 45-70 max loads?
« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2012, 12:21:56 AM »
My current load is a 300gr Remington  HP with 51grs of H4198 . Seems to work well on the local pigs and whitetails.
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