Author Topic: Barnes triple shocks... (Read 956 times)

Joe S. · « **on:** March 17, 2012, 07:19:14 PM »

Shopping midway for some bullets for my 35rem handi and came across these. Anyone use em on a whitetail?

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/557229/barnes-tipped-triple-shock-x-bullets-35-caliber-358-diameter-200-grain-spitzer-boat-tail-box-of-50

Only 35rem i have now is my Handi so the pointed tip dont bother me. Looks interesting...

cjrjck · « **Reply #1 on:** March 18, 2012, 02:46:55 AM »

Joe,

Barnes just came out with a 180 grain .358 TTSX that is well suited for the the 35 Remington. As soon as I can get some and if they shoot well, I will start using them in my Handi. I am carefully loading to +p velocities and expect to get 2400 fps or more. The generous throat in my Handi sure helps with these long pointed bullets.

Savage_99 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 18, 2012, 03:57:21 AM »

While I have never shot game with a mono bullet such as the Barnes I have used the .358 Winchester as my primary big game rifle since 1966.

It seems that bullets that fragment into pieces kill deer faster than those that stay in one piece. Of course everything has advantages and downsides.

Others have used Barnes type mono bullets on game. Here is a link to such a report that includes the experiences of John Barsness.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-199115.html

The bullet I used the most in the .358 was the Winchester 200 gr Silvertips handloaded to about factory velocity. Most shots were less than 100 yds although one was about 200 yds. The effect of those .358 Silvertips on whitetails is superb.
And if I could get more of them I would go back to using them.

The bullet I switched to is the Speer 180 gr flat point. My late dad made a form tool for swaging a spitzer shape on them. I have Hornady SSP bullets and they shoot well. I have not shot game with the Hornadys. The Speers are excellent on deer.

Monteria · « **Reply #3 on:** March 18, 2012, 05:18:50 AM »

I have never used that bullet, but I have used "X" bullets in 30/06, .270 and .22k hornet. The one issue that I have with them is their finicky nature. Some rifles love them, others hate them, and there is no middle ground...

I did just order 140gr for my 357max, 110gr for my 30/30s, and 250gr for my 45/70s. Here is to hoping that the Handys like them (which I think they will. Long throat seems to be the key).

Steve

giddens1972 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 18, 2012, 04:41:45 PM »

Be careful working up loads...keep an eye on pressure indicators. I'm sure you already know this, but the barnes bullets have pressure issues as compared to most others. Not saying they're not safe, just have to watch them a little closer.

longhorn717 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 19, 2012, 04:30:41 AM »

I loaded up some 180gr tsx tipped bullets for my 30-06 and love them. They expand 3x and retain alot of their weight. In my opinion the bigger grain solid copper bullets do better at slightly slower velocities on bigger game. I think some of the issues people have with any bullet not just the solids are speed at impact. either too slow or fast for what the bullet was designed for. I loaded up my 180gr with 51.5 grains of hornady H414 that's almost a compressed load in the -06 because of the length of that bullet. I think I'm getting a little slower velocity than a factory 180gr but way less recoil.

Here's my test for soft and hard tissue though. put a half gallon jug of water in front of a 20lb. propane tank that was empty. bullet shattered plastic bottle top to bottom kept going straight and put nearly a 1" hole in and out of the propane tank in a straight line. Pretty awesome if you ask me.

Joe S. · « **Reply #6 on:** March 19, 2012, 04:58:32 AM »

Savage_99 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 19, 2012, 05:15:44 AM »

Quote from: longhorn717 on March 19, 2012, 04:30:41 AM

I loaded up some 180gr tsx tipped bullets for my 30-06 and love them. They expand 3x and retain alot of their weight. In my opinion the bigger grain solid copper bullets do better at slightly slower velocities on bigger game. I think some of the issues people have with any bullet not just the solids are speed at impact. either too slow or fast for what the bullet was designed for. I loaded up my 180gr with 51.5 grains of hornady H414 that's almost a compressed load in the -06 because of the length of that bullet. I think I'm getting a little slower velocity than a factory 180gr but way less recoil.

Here's my test for soft and hard tissue though. put a half gallon jug of water in front of a 20lb. propane tank that was empty. bullet shattered plastic bottle top to bottom kept going straight and put nearly a 1" hole in and out of the propane tank in a straight line. Pretty awesome if you ask me.

I don't agree with your testing parameters. Sure nothing wants to get hit with any bullet, even a FMJ.

Define the purpose of the bullet. Was it hunting?

KIMBER45 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 19, 2012, 05:42:22 AM »

I've taken everything from deer to caribou to moose with triple shock bullets . All one shot kills. It's all I use.

Joe S. · « **Reply #9 on:** March 19, 2012, 05:49:16 AM »

Good to know. Thanks

cjrjck · « **Reply #10 on:** March 20, 2012, 03:25:26 PM »

Can of worms. Generally with the Barnes copper bullets you will find that folks either love them or hate them. I think they are among the best hunting bullets made. I discover that many who have actually try them agree. Pull up some articles by Ross Seyfried if you want to read about real world experience.

Additionally, here is a good article that discusses among other things how the Barnes bullets actually perform better at moderate velocities, contradicting the often uninformed view that this monolithic bullet requires magnum-like speed to expand well:
http://www.rathcoombe.net/sci-tech/ballistics/methods.html

Good hunting!

demented · « **Reply #11 on:** March 20, 2012, 05:12:22 PM »

Opposite ends of the same problem-Barnes on one end, Nosler Ballistic Tips the other. The trick is finding a balance between velocity and bullet toughness and game size that allows good expansion, penetration but no blow ups. My rule of thumb has always been the bigger the game hunted, the tougher the bullet, so far nothing better than a bonded core has been needed. For whitetail and mulies, regular old cup and core bullets like Hornadys innerlock or SST have alwaysdone the job. For that matter, I have NO idea how many deer I've taken using 30 cal. 150 grain Remington Corelokts at non magnum speeds.

Joe S. · « **Reply #12 on:** March 20, 2012, 05:39:46 PM »

A friend gave me some barnes triple shocks for my 30-30 that have a huge hollow point on em. I hope my dirty thirty likes em cause i sure think they is purdy.

Monteria · « **Reply #13 on:** March 21, 2012, 01:43:44 PM »

Joe, which ones were you provided? What "model" and grain?

Joe S. · « **Reply #14 on:** March 21, 2012, 02:03:29 PM »

Barnes tsx 150gr with a big ol hollow point. Ha

Monteria · « **Reply #15 on:** March 21, 2012, 02:09:39 PM »

Hmmm, I wonder if that is something made for the 30-30? Traditional weight, big hollow point seems conducive to flat point...

Wish they made a lighter example. Then they might, I have never heard of the one you describe.

Steve

Joe S. · « **Reply #16 on:** March 21, 2012, 02:51:44 PM »

Will try to post a pic when i get home

44 Man · « **Reply #17 on:** March 21, 2012, 03:12:58 PM »

Hope you can get enough velocity out of the old .35 Rem (one of my favorite calibers), for those bullets to work properly. I'd contact Barnes and ask them the velocity range they recommend for those bullets, then you will know. I've got friends that like the X bullet very much. For my shooting with the .35 rem, I just use 200 gr roundnose. They are an awsome hammer in the .35! 44 Man

Joe S. · « **Reply #18 on:** March 21, 2012, 03:43:46 PM »

Ive had good luck with the round noses too. Probably will just stick with those.

cjrjck · « **Reply #19 on:** March 21, 2012, 03:58:27 PM »

Quote from: Joe S. on March 20, 2012, 05:39:46 PM

A friend gave me some barnes triple shocks for my 30-30 that have a huge hollow point on em. I hope my dirty thirty likes em cause i sure think they is purdy.

I am working up some loads with the same bullets now in my Topper (150 grain TSX FP). That big hollow point looks like it means business. My initial loads were okay but I am switching powders and plan to seat the bullets out farther.

Joe S. · « **Reply #20 on:** March 21, 2012, 04:02:50 PM »

Id like to use these in my daughters topper too. We will see.