Author Topic: READ The Second After (Read 12232 times)

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #150 on:** October 06, 2011, 02:34:18 AM »

Woman not happy no one happy

bilmac · « **Reply #151 on:** October 06, 2011, 02:50:16 AM »

The pad was recommended to temporarily stop the bleeding of puncture wounds. It is the same idea as the army field dressing without the strings. I'm showing my age, I don't know if either the pad or the field dressing are still made, but the field dressing saved a lot of lives.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #152 on:** October 06, 2011, 03:09:20 AM »

The clot powder is becomming hard to get. The last store I saw it in I was told only Govt. (military/EMT) would be allowed to buy .

mannyrock · « **Reply #153 on:** October 06, 2011, 05:54:28 AM »

Interesting thought on law enforcement.

In the novel, Alas Babylon, the last thing that the acting President did was to call into duty all reserve military personnel, and declare martial law. This meant that the U.S. military WAS the law, and that the U.S. Constitution was suspended until further notice.

In the book, the hero was a lazy, part time divorce lawyer, who had been in the army and was a second lieutentant in the Reserves. When society totally broke down, and raping, robbing and murdering broke out, he decided he had to act.

He went to the big "bulletin board" that had been erected in the town square, and posted a Declaration, announcing that in view of the President's Executive Order declaring martial law, he (as a military officer) was officially and lawfully taking charge of the county. He declared a zero tolerance policy, in which rape, robbery and murder would all have a single sanction, i.e. the death penalty.

He then proceeded to round up several of the local good folks he knew, swear them in as deputies, arm them, and then actively capture and hang (without trial) lots of the bandits and killers. He hanged them in the town square, next to the bulletin board. He also required all able bodied citizens to go armed.

Eventually, order was restored.

Any Reserve Officers out their, willing to take charge?

Regards, Mannyrock

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #154 on:** October 06, 2011, 06:27:09 AM »

I would bet there are officers chomping at the bit to restore America to its once glory. If not what was the issue with a national police force since ex military can be called up ? Oh yea that little oath to the consitution they took ..............

no guns here · « **Reply #155 on:** October 06, 2011, 08:13:13 AM »

Imagonna have to reread Alas Babylon, 'cause I don't remember all that. I remember a part where he went after some hijackers with an up-armored old truck of somekind. Or am I thinking of another book???

In The Second After, the main character was an instructor and a ex-Colonel.

NGH

no guns here · « **Reply #156 on:** October 06, 2011, 08:17:01 AM »

Okay... checked sparknotes on Alas Babylon. Pretty much a combination of what I remembered and what you said. Just goes to show that you gotta read a book more often than once every 25 years or so...

NGH

mannyrock · « **Reply #157 on:** October 07, 2011, 03:55:50 AM »

More interesting yet, if Martial Law were declared, and the military became totally in charge, can you imagine what a local sheriff, or any other police officer, would say when a second lieutenant walked up and told them that they were no longer in charge and were under his command? They would probably tell him to hit the road or be jailed.

Depending on circumstances, a sheriff could take the position that there IS NO federal government anymore, and that therefore the declaration of Martial Law by the federal executives is null.

Just some interesting thoughts.

Mannyrock

teddy12b · « **Reply #158 on:** October 07, 2011, 05:56:57 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on October 06, 2011, 06:27:09 AM

I would bet there are officers chomping at the bit to restore America to its once glory. If not what was the issue with a national police force since ex military can be called up ? Oh yea that little oath to the consitution they took ..............

I think there's a flip side to that coin. While I generally agree that a lot of cops are some of the best people you could ever know, there's also a lot of cops out there that have some issues. Watch this video and pay attention to what happens at about the 7 minute mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kassP7zI0qcguy This isn't the cop that you want talking when it comes to constitutional rights of citizens. He's not alone either.

Quote from: mannyrock on October 07, 2011, 03:55:50 AM

More interesting yet, if Martial Law were declared, and the military became totally in charge, can you imagine what a local sheriff, or any other police officer, would say when a second lieutenant walked up and told them that they were no longer in charge and were under his command? They would probably tell him to hit the road or be jailed.

If it gets to that point I think that most of the cops would bow to 2nd LT because they know he's a messenger boy for a Captain, who's a messenger for a Major, and so on. I've heard the sheriff in my town say on the radio that in a case like Katrina that he wouldn't allow the feds to confiscate guns, but it's not like they're going to be listening to him anyway. Then again, everyone's going to talk tough on the radio about what they'd do if it ever happened in their home town.

In the case where we start seeing troops ordering around a sheriff I expect that a lot of issues of authority are going to start getting handled out of court. There aren't enough troops out there to deploy a battalion of troops to every town in the US.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #159 on:** October 07, 2011, 08:33:00 AM »

teddy12b , they were talking MILITARY officers not police ( though some may be both) . Most military officers take their oath very serious.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #160 on:** October 07, 2011, 08:36:57 AM »

BTW when and if America or any other State fails all law , Constitution etc are just memory . Who or what ever takes over is the law . That isn't to say the original govt won't re establish . What one should realize is you have to survive . A group may be your best choice . BUT the group you chose should be a good one as in the end you will be judged by what they did in the bad times.

blind ear · « **Reply #161 on:** October 07, 2011, 09:39:01 AM »

Idiot on patrol. ear

jcn59 · « **Reply #162 on:** October 07, 2011, 10:28:27 AM »

Don't make no difference who the messenger boy is. If someone comes to your door to take your gun, and if you give him your gun, then you are a dead man. Best to go down shooting like our forefathers did when thier rights were threatened.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #163 on:** October 07, 2011, 12:54:01 PM »

I think it's a matter of if they are just taking the guns or if they are taking the owners too. If you resist with your guns you are a dead man. It might be better to give them the key to the gun cabinet or safe combination and let them clean it out. Then when no one is looking head for the stash in the hills. Throw away guns.

If they are taking the owners with the guns. I would rather die fighting.

jcn59 · « **Reply #164 on:** October 07, 2011, 01:20:04 PM »

Never give an inch. It would be EASIER to give them the key, not better. Look what happened in the early days of plane hijacking when we were told to cooperate with the bums....we just got more and more hijacking until we got smart and started killing the bastards. It has all but stopped now.

Yes, I know it's easy to talk smart when no one is coming for your gun.

myronman3 · « **Reply #165 on:** October 08, 2011, 09:06:15 AM »

if it gets to the point where the government fails, then the system is moot. the second the constitution is out the window, so is their authority; and that applies to military and law enforcement. some will submit to them out of habit.
i suspect if an ugly collapse on a national scale happens, military and law enforcement will be too busy worrying about their own issues....such as getting paid. not too many people are going to go to work if they are not getting paid for it; i sure as hell know that i wouldnt. on top of that, who says they will have the resources to project said enforcement? right now, i cant get the sheriff to come to my town for anything; "it's not in the budget".
on a large scale system failure, the only law that applies at that point is "the law of the big gun". in other words, those with the guns,resources, cunning, willingness and ability to assert their position. katrina was but a microcosom of what i think is ahead. geographic area, resources, and (i hate to say it) the ethinic makeup of the people around you are going to be the determining factors for just how bad it gets around you. recent events have proven that to be true.
as far as entrusting my safety to someone else when it has hit the fan, aint going to happen. not many of us here live like that now, why would that change if circumstances deteriorated? i understand why some have the concerns that they do, but i think it would pan out alot differently from what many think.

jcn59 · « **Reply #166 on:** October 08, 2011, 01:36:58 PM »

This country would be prime for a coup of some sort. Someone will be making the timely grab for power. Think you and I could pull it off Myron, what with your commanding personality, and my freezer full of venison?

myronman3 · « **Reply #167 on:** October 08, 2011, 06:43:06 PM »

lol.... i just want to live in peace....just like everyone else here.

jcn59 · « **Reply #168 on:** October 08, 2011, 07:15:40 PM »

BUT....we coulda been TYRANTS! Like Adolph, an' Atilla...an' even Brrapp O'Llama.

rdlange · « **Reply #169 on:** January 18, 2012, 04:58:57 PM »

Just fyi...

http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/fiction/

pab1 · « **Reply #170 on:** January 18, 2012, 07:20:23 PM »

I have not read all the posts and don't know if this series was brought up yet. The three book series by Matthew Bracken Enemies Foreign and Domestic, Foreign Enemies and Traitors and Domestic Enemies are all excellent reads. Each one is better than the last. If you liked One Second After and Patriots you will enjoy Brackens books.

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #171 on:** January 19, 2012, 06:01:40 AM »

Thanks pab1, I'll look for them next time I go to town.

rdlange, good fictional stories at frugals, I've read most of them twice. Alot of thought provoking incidents.

jcn59 · « **Reply #172 on:** January 22, 2012, 03:59:54 PM »

Mr. Lange, I read chapters 1-40 PaxAmericana and it seems the story was incomplete, like there should have been more chapters. Am I wrong??

no guns here · « **Reply #173 on:** January 23, 2012, 02:01:59 AM »

I read several of the works off of the frugal squirrel site that rdlange posted. Collaborative fiction is pretty fun to read though tiresome. Spent quite a few hours reading it last week. Enjoyable yet thought provoking.

NGH

reliquary · « **Reply #174 on:** January 23, 2012, 02:41:45 AM »

Thanks for the "squirrel" link.

I just obtained two of Rawles' books: "Survivors" and "How to survive TEOTWAKI", along with "Alas, Babylon" by Pat Frank (a new reprint) at a used book sale.

pab1 · « **Reply #175 on:** January 23, 2012, 01:01:22 PM »

Quote from: reliquary on January 23, 2012, 02:41:45 AM

Thanks for the "squirrel" link.

I just obtained two of Rawles' books: "Survivors" and "How to survive TEOTWAKI", along with "Alas, Babylon" by Pat Frank (a new reprint) at a used book sale.

Have you read Patriots yet? It takes place before Survivors and IMO is a much better book.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #176 on:** January 23, 2012, 02:53:26 PM »

Pab1 how is Patriots better than Survivors? Does Survivors have new survival ideas that Patriots does not? I learned a lot from Patriots.

pab1 · « **Reply #177 on:** January 23, 2012, 04:24:40 PM »

Quote from: Lost Farmboy on January 23, 2012, 02:53:26 PM

Pab1 how is Patriots better than Survivors? Does Survivors have new survival ideas that Patriots does not? I learned a lot from Patriots.

Survivors is a good read but IMO Patriots is just written better. Survivors does have some good information and is worth reading but it didn't grab me like Patriots did. It got a little too preachy for me, but I'm sure that will appeal to some readers.

teddy12b · « **Reply #178 on:** January 23, 2012, 07:09:56 PM »

Quote from: pab1 on January 23, 2012, 04:24:40 PM

Quote from: Lost Farmboy on January 23, 2012, 02:53:26 PM
Pab1 how is Patriots better than Survivors? Does Survivors have new survival ideas that Patriots does not? I learned a lot from Patriots.
Survivors is a good read but IMO Patriots is just written better. Survivors does have some good information and is worth reading but it didn't grab me like Patriots did. It got a little too preachy for me, but I'm sure that will appeal to some readers.

I'd agree with what you're saying about Survivors as well. I felt like the book just stopped and didn't really finish.

reliquary · « **Reply #179 on:** January 24, 2012, 11:56:50 AM »

No, I don't have Patriots yet. I have a standing order for it at my local used book store.