Author Topic: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel. (Read 12224 times)

powderman · « **Reply #30 on:** February 26, 2011, 02:46:29 PM »

P.A.MEYERS. Good post Sir. POWDERMAN.

beerbelly · « **Reply #31 on:** February 27, 2011, 09:08:19 AM »

"Hating is simply not something a Jew does."

That is the biggest bunch of BS I ever read!

powderman · « **Reply #32 on:** February 27, 2011, 11:25:10 AM »

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Some figure Christianity share more with Islam than with the Jews and that we "worship the same God".
Naturally, Powderman, myself and many others clearly recognize the kinship between Jews & Christians..but reject that our God would seek to destroy Israel when he promised to bless them..can't be the same God we know !

We have everything in common with the Jews, nothing with the muslims, they are a godless cult of hatred and death. ol tm has stated several times that he, or she, does not have the same God that we do. understatement of the year. POWDERMAN.

tsalam · « **Reply #33 on:** February 27, 2011, 12:13:40 PM »

Ironglow, we must remember that there are no "denominations" in the Bible so I can understand your thinking. As far as the catholics, and I can only speak to the ones I know, they are not big on studying the Scriptures themselves and only know what the priest or the Vatican tells them to know. Of course that was true when only the Vatican had the Scriptures and it could also be said about most people who call themselves Believers today. That was the big wake-up call for me when I began reading the Bible for myself instead of allowing someone else to tell me what it said. Wow! Big difference:)
Re: "Worshiping the same God". Not! Islam is a pagan religion who's god is al Illah, the pagan moon god of Mecca. He is NOT the same G-d of the Bible. When a muslim suicide bomber yells "Allah hu akbar" he isn't saying G-d is Great, as the news reporters would have you believe, he is saying Allah is greater. He means, allah is greater than the G-d of the Bible. We can sure see how they could be worshiping the false god, hasatan, "the adversary", because everything they believe describes our enemy who wants to be G-d. The catholic church believes that the pope is G-d, and Mary is higher than Jesus. These are facts in their own writings. Obviously, most catholics are not aware of this. The "christian church" does not believe that way of course and tend to go along with the Jewish beliefs of the one G-d except for some who practice the erroneous doctrine of "replacement theology", that the "church" has replaced Israel as G-d's Chosen. I challenge anyone to find that in G-d's Word. G-d has made an eternal promise to the Jews, that He will never change His mind. He has made an eternal covenant with the Jews and He is not capable of breaking that covenant. When the Jews fail to keep His Torah, His "instruction" manual, just as He warned them many times, "Choose the blessings or the Curses", He has to punish them. BUT, He will never desert them or give up on them. Notice that 100% of end times prophecy concerns the Jews and Israel. Notice that Messiah will return to ISRAEL, not the vatican or Nashville. Notice that the New Jerusalem will come to Israel, notice that G-d's Presence will dwell on the earth again in Israel, etc, etc, etc. The entire Bible is about G-d's relationship with Israel.

Tm7 "Can a true Torah jew be a zionist; or a be Talmudist..??
A true Torah Jew has to be a zionist if he believes every word of the Torah because he believes G-d's word and promises that He would return the Jews back to the Land and they are to re-settle it as they are doing. The Jews who are re-settling the Land against obama's wishes are definitely Torah Jews.
The Talmud is commentary on the Torah so a true Torah Jew can be a "Talmudist" also and most of them are.

beerbelly · « **Reply #34 on:** February 27, 2011, 12:35:09 PM »

If the Jews don't hate anyone, that was some tough love That the Jews with Menachem Begin as their leader was putting out when they were blowing the British to hell and back. Bombing them just as the Arabs are bombing the Jews now! That makes the Jews the first terrorist in the area.
You folks stole that land and continue to steal more everyday, With your settlements. I see no difference in the two of you. I firmly believe the world will be a better place when you blow each other off the face of the earth!

tsalam · « **Reply #35 on:** February 27, 2011, 02:38:59 PM »

Beerbelly,To defend one's self doesn't mean you hate someone:) If you will re-read your history again you will see that Begin and the Irgun were just responding to the arab attacks and what the Brits were doing to them. Terrorism certainly didn't begin with the Jews, think about Amalek.
The Land belongs to G-d and HE gave it to the Jews. Like it or not. If you disagree with that then you are disagreeing with G-d, not with man.
The "settlements" you speak of are self contained cities of 10's of thousands of people that have been there for some 40 or so years in many cases, restored cities over the old JEWISH cities which were destroyed some 2000 years ago. How many "settlements" are in your state huh?
Just realize if the Jews and arabs, "blow each other off the face of the earth" as you say, there would be no reason for the earth and YOU to exist any longer since G-d would have no reason to fulfill His prophecies to restore the world to the conditions He created in the beginning. You must remember that YOU are blessed every day by the Jews just as G-d said you would be. Without the Jews there would be no forums for you to talk on, no cell phones, no instant communication and the medicine you take was probably even made by the Jews since most of the medicine taken in the world today was developed in Israel.

ironglow · « **Reply #36 on:** February 27, 2011, 02:46:04 PM »

Replacement theology is pure hokum..one which was pushed in Armstrongism...although he was not first..

Beerbelly; one should remember "the land and the promise".. That little plot of land called Israel has historically been fought over probably more than any other similar sized plot in the world. It is the crossroads of the eastern hemisphere, armies and navies from three continents have fought over it. The land has been promised to one people, who took posession of it about 3,500 years ago..squatters didn't like it when the folks with the deed and title showed up, even though the rightful owner had left an occupying remenant to hold it for them.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #37 on:** February 27, 2011, 05:36:45 PM »

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The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.

Well, perhaps Israel could use a little rebuking sometime. Unless, of course, they're perfect, or we're their lapdogs. Are they exempt? Is the modern (Zionist) state of Israel God's chosen nation state? Or just one with nuclear weapons and a bounty of billions in American military hardware to keep them afloat?

Quote from: tsalam on February 27, 2011, 02:38:59 PM

Without the Jews there would be no forums for you to talk on, no cell phones, no instant communication and the medicine you take was probably even made by the Jews since most of the medicine taken in the world today was developed in Israel.

Ah yes, reminds me of a story, something like this: the Egyptians dug deep at an archeological site, found some copper, and pronounced... there there were telephones in age of Pharaoh, invented by Arabs.

Then the Italians dug deep, found a little glass, and pronounced that fiber optic cable came to us from the ancient Romans

Then in Israel they dug deep - deeper - deeper still - and found nothing. Of course, the announcement was shortly made that this was because the Jews used cell phones back in the day of the Maccabees.

or something like that

tsalam · « **Reply #38 on:** February 27, 2011, 07:20:29 PM »

Yellowtail, Israel's biggest problem is that they try to be like every other nation. G-d warned them about that. Israel has lots of problems and most of them are their own making and internal. The thing that must always be considered about the actions of Israel is that they are being forced to defend themselves against basically every nation in the world. There are 1.3 billion muslims out there who would love to see them destroyed and every Jew killed. Think of that, every Jew killed. A whole people wiped off the face of the earth. Would you allow that of any people? That isn't even considering all of the other nations besides the 55 muslim nations, who are constantly trying to hurt them with boycotts, lawsuits, UN sanctions and the like. That isn't considering every member of the World Council of Churches who are consistently divesting their enormous wealth away from any company that does business with Israel. They have a U.S. president who tells them they are not supposed to build an additional room on their house for that new baby. They are not supposed to have a garden in the back of the house. They can't improve the carport and make it into a garage. They can't build a new school or hospital or clinic or kindergarten because of a U.S. president who tries to dictate to them in even the smallest item. Kinda puts a new slant on things doesn't it? Some ignorant people complain about the money the U.S. "gives" to Israel. But the truth is that the greatest majority of the money that Israel receives comes from loan guarantees from the IMF, not tax payer dollars. Any money it receives from the U.S. has always had a stipulation that 75% of it must be spent on U.S. armaments. Think of the U.S. jobs that provides. I might add that the arms Israel buys from the U.S. are taken to the Israel Military Industries and improved with Israeli technology and then that technology is given back to the U.S. Yes, modern Israel is G-d's chosen nation state because it is fulfillment of His prophecy. Simple as that. If you believe in G-d then you must believe what He says about His chosen people Israel.
Love your joke:)

ironglow · « **Reply #39 on:** February 28, 2011, 12:40:14 AM »

Yellowtail;
I believe that both tsalam and myself (as well as others) have made it clear that Jews have gone astray in the past..many times..Christians have often gone astray, and many of those with a Christian family background are going horribly astray today... far astray from the land & promise we were given when the Pilgrims first landed on Cape Cod.
the Jews have suffered from such going astray and todays USA, having generally turned it's back on God's plan, are just now starting to feel the pain of disobedience.
God doesn't have to "punish" us, so to speak; all He need do is remove his invisible hand of protection from around us; then Satan and his very eager helpers will quickly provide much pain. Much of our nation used to worship and serve the living God..then a century and a half ago, extreme errror began to creep in. Names such as Marx, Hegel, Darwin and their ilk started to bring "justification" for disobeyal. Through the early part of the 20th century, these errors were adopted by more and more who were in denial, thrust being added by the Fabian Socialists. From the 1960's on the slide into complete rebellion gained impetus
God has been very patient, he sent evangelists such as Billy Sunday, Billy Graham and a host of others..but only the "remenant" have remained true and comprehended.
The attacks on America by Satanic forces started in earnest in the 1980s, but our leaders, being influenced by PC, sponsored by the Fabian Socialists, refused to recognize the threat....until it built to a real crescendo on 9/11/01.
When interviewed within a couple days of 9/11, Benjamin Netanyahu offered the American leaders a very valuable, very sage piece of advice, when he said;.. "You have just been given a wake up call from Hell"!
I remember clearly the telecast of his statement. I considered it extremely profound; others, their eyes blinded by error...still don't "get it".
Shall the USA endure...or shall it follow other great powers who have turned their back on the God who created them. The answer lies within each of us..shal we each, individually repent and turn back to God...or need He put "hooks in OUR nose" ?

The power is with the people..will they "get it' before destruction ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d51poygEXYU&playnext=1&list=PLB6EC6CD8FCA4DEC1

powderman · « **Reply #40 on:** February 28, 2011, 03:23:07 AM »

IRONGLOW, TSALAM. Good posts guys. POWDERMAN.

beerbelly · « **Reply #41 on:** February 28, 2011, 03:34:35 AM »

I have heard all the excuses! The USS Liberty was a mistake! NOT! I have read every ting I could find written by the survivors. They say there was no way it could have been a mistake!
The UN had called for a cease fire and the Israelis were trying to steal more land after the time to stop firing and knew the Liberty would detect their lies! So they tried to sink it!
The Muslims and Israelis are the most vile people on earth! One just as bad as the other!

ironglow · « **Reply #42 on:** February 28, 2011, 04:34:17 AM »

BB;
Go ahead then and continue in error; but when that time arrives just remember, we tried to warn you !

" Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.. (Galatians 6:7)

powderman · « **Reply #43 on:** February 28, 2011, 06:56:11 AM »

TSALAM. As I imagine you have noticed by now with certain people it's always the same message. Jews, Christians BAD, godless ones, good. And plenty of misquotes of Gods word. Thanks for the laugh tm, it made my day. POWDERMAN.

tsalam · « **Reply #44 on:** February 28, 2011, 08:29:14 AM »

TM, all I can say to your post is WOW! I have seen ignorance before but I think you take the cake. And I say ignorance because you obviously don't recognize or understand the truth. I don't say that in a mean way, it is just that I am flabbergasted. I will not even waste my time and yours by responding to the points of your post because I can see it wouldn't make any difference to you at all. No man will ever convince you of your error so all I can say in response is "G-d help you", and I pray that He does before it is too late for you.

beerbelly · « **Reply #45 on:** February 28, 2011, 08:47:26 AM »

By the way tsalam what were the Britts doing to the Jews? Nothing! They were carrying out a UN mandate to govern that land as a protect ate!
What were the 35 dead and 176 wounded US Sailors on the USS Liberty doing to them?
If Israel wants the US president to quit telling them what to do , quit taking the billions a year in aid and billion more in military equipment on credit, that is never paid!

ironglow · « **Reply #46 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:02:43 AM »

TM says;
"Ummm. There is a quite abit of nonsense here....and occult stuff at that...I'm dectecting not only a chosen race doctrine,,,but an "ONLY RACE" doctrine here. There are millions of people in the world that do not believe this doctrinaire of the ME desert gods."

I Reply;
I think a bit of correction is due here.. There are billions who believe in the truly orthodox view of Christianity and there can't be more than a few dozen of you guys who follow that weird "desert gods" idea..

jimster · « **Reply #47 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:29:38 AM »

I just wish we'd stop sticking our nose in those places over there altogether, Israel included. We need to pull back our money because there is none...if for no other reason, this includes Israel and the Muslim places we send our tax money to, and add all countries to the list.

Israel can take care of themselves, they can just strike first with some hot missles if they need to, they certanly don't have to worry about what our gutless leaders say about it, we have no power in place at this time, they can do what they want, as always. We need to pull back all the solders and the money to our country. And use solders and money wisely.

Pulling back money we don't have from Israel is not against the bible either, we don't have any. You still can support them if you wish, say a prayer if you want. That's as much support as we can afford. As far as fighting radical Islam, the whole world is pretty much doing that now, we can do that from here. Start with Detroit...if they want to. Somehow that turned into radical Islam cause we were not paying attention.
It's coming to a head sooner or later, might as well get the troops here, fight both illegals crossing the borders and radical Islam both at the same time.

FourBee · « **Reply #48 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:48:58 AM »

tsalam; It excites me when one with knowlege of the Hebrew text and laws can lay out the fundamentals relating to our saviour with such ease for man to understand. Thanks for sharing your knowlege with us. And in reference to the two prophets ~ the acts Moses and Elijah did before they left this earth certainly compares with the act of these two men. Great Post

powderman · « **Reply #49 on:** February 28, 2011, 12:01:14 PM »

FOURBEE. Agreed Sir. It is refreshing to see someone who knows the truth. I did a little reasearch on tms sampson option, all speculation. Baloney, I don't believe it. He said, she said, they think, no real basis for any of it. No way to compare Israel today to masada that I can see. As long as they are armed, they will fight. POWDERMAN.

tsalam · « **Reply #50 on:** February 28, 2011, 12:29:38 PM »

Beerbelly, Re: "what were the brits doing"
The brits were only taking 80% of the mandate lands originally given to them by the Balfour and giving them to the muslims to create Jordan. They were refusing to allow the Jews to come to the renewed state of Israel. They were turning ships from Germany full of Jews back to be fed to the ovens. The brits reneged on the Mandate and noone said a word.
The USS Liberty was spying on Israel and feeding the info to the muslims who were attacking Israel. The Jews had every reason to attack her. Great tragedy yes, but Israel was at war and had to protect herself.
Re: billions in aid. In a previous post I noted that the "aid" Israel receives is IMF loan guarantees that have all been paid back up to date. Any other "aid" that Israel receives has to be used to purchase U.S. military products at the rate of 75% of the aid. The Israelis then improve the U.S. military equipment with their technology and then the technology is given to the U.S. The U.S. is making out very well in dealing with Israel as well as keeping U.S. employees working. Maybe you should worry more about the billions of dollars the U.S. have given free gratis to the muslim terrorists in Israel since Reagan that is used to teach several generations of kids on how to kill Jews and Americans in their schools and fatten the wallets of the terrorist dictators. Maybe you should consider checking your facts before you single out Israel to condemn.
Fourbee-Thank you for the kind words. G-d is good.

DDZ · « **Reply #51 on:** February 28, 2011, 12:37:28 PM »

Your assumption that Christ was a Jew can be argued, and in fact, the reason he earned a high noon public assassination was because he wasn't a Jew, aka Pharisees at the time....the pharisees determined that themselves.

Geez! Tm, the fact that Jesus was born a Jew, Lived as a Jew, died as a Jew, and was resurrected a Jew is one of the least contested truths of the Bible. He even died on the cross with an inscription over His head "King of the Jews", and you are trying to argue the fact he wasn't a Jew.

God has pretty much spelled it out for us when it comes to Israel.
"He who touches you(Israel) touches the apple of my eye". Zechariah 2:8
I will bless those that who bless you (Israel), and I will curse him who curses you. Gen.12:3

In regard to to those that try to divide up the land of Israel that God gave them. God speaks through his prophet Joel. "I will also gather all nations, and enter into judgment with them there on account of My people, My inheritance Israel, whom they scattered among the nations; they have also divided up My land...
Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision Joel3:2,14

I have chosen Jerusalem, that my name might be there...For now I have chosen and sanctified this house, that My name may be there forever; and My eyes and My heart will be there perpetually...In this house and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen...I will put My name forever. 2 Chronicles 6:6; 7:16; 33:7

We do have a choice whether to continue to support Israel or not. I hope for our sake that we do, because God's fury will be evident in the defense of Israel.

tsalam · « **Reply #52 on:** February 28, 2011, 01:46:30 PM »

DDZ, well said. You might enjoy this. In the verses in Joel that you quoted, the litteral translation from the Hebrew says, "I will gather all of the nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat...." The Valley of Jehoshaphat is an ancient name for Har Megiddo, commonly known as Armegeddon. This verse is referring to the "Battle of Armegeddon" where the nations which come against Israel will be destroyed.

powderman · « **Reply #53 on:** February 28, 2011, 02:01:46 PM »

DDZ, TSALAM. Good posts, all true. POWDERMAN.

beerbelly · « **Reply #54 on:** February 28, 2011, 02:56:33 PM »

"They were turning ships from Germany full of Jews back to be fed to the ovens. The brits reneged on the Mandate "

This is an out right lie! No Jews were sent to German gas chambers The war was over! If German ships had entered waters controlled by the British during the war they would have been sunk! England was at war with Germany!

The USS Liberty was spying on Israel and feeding the info to the muslims who were attacking Israel. The Jews had every reason to attack her. Great tragedy yes, but Israel was at war and had to protect herself.

This is another out right lie!!!!! The US was supplying Israel with intelligence!

Any other "aid" that Israel receives has to be used to purchase U.S. military products at the rate of 75% of the aid.

Another out right lie. Israel gets four billion in regular foreign aid. Powerman look close at his BS about the USS Liberty. There is your fine lying, murdering JEWS!

FourBee · « **Reply #55 on:** February 28, 2011, 03:51:52 PM »

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beerbelly ~ This is an out right lie!
This is another out right lie!!!!!
Another out right lie.
There is your fine lying, murdering JEWS!

First of all the Jews aren't murderers at all, it's those who oppose their existence that have and are doing all the hideous murdering.
Secondly; who's lying ?. Depends on which side of the fence one stands. Secret military war programing and deprograming isn't always a straight line. The general public doesn't know the half the goings on, that's why it's called secret. JMTC

tsalam · « **Reply #56 on:** February 28, 2011, 04:44:38 PM »

Beerbelly, there is a lot of misunderstanding in your post as to what I was saying. You are confusing the time of the Jews trying to leave Germany in private ships with the time of the Liberty. I'm sorry if I confused you. As for the aid, I do know for a fact this is correct. It is written in the accords and agreements. Check it out.

beerbelly · « **Reply #57 on:** February 28, 2011, 05:26:11 PM »

You did not confuse me! My reading comprehension is quite good! Your post is there for all to see. You said that the USS Liberty was spying on Israel and giving that info to the Muslims and that made it OK for Israel to murder 35 and wound 174 other US Sailors! That sir is a damn LIE!
Fourbee if you chose to support a foreign power over your own country that is your choice. I however stand with my country!

FourBee · « **Reply #58 on:** February 28, 2011, 05:51:05 PM »

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beerbelly ~ to murder 35 and wound 174 other US Sailors!

I've been in battle. I've witnessed simialr instances you describe, but because it was us doing the dirty work, you don't hear about that. Stuff that would make you sick beerbelly, and I'm talking about our boys, our dads, (Gi's) getting the axe by deliberate decision.

ps: however; these isolated incidents don't change my love for America, nor do they change my prayers for the peace of Jerusalem.

tsalam · « **Reply #59 on:** February 28, 2011, 06:34:40 PM »

Beerbelly, I suppose you would not believe that Condi Rice ordered the embassy staff in Israel to spy on Israeli leaders and compile personal records for use against them either. Every nation spies on the others as evidenced recently by the Wikileaks leaks to the press. The U.S. has a huge compound listening post in Israel to spy on every nation even as far away as China, Iran and Russia. Wake up. This has been a nasty world for many years.