The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.

[powderman]

http://turtlebay.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/02/16/in_major_reversal_us_to_rebuke_israel_in_security_council





The obamination will back his godless friends and go against Gods chosen people. Gosh, I wonder what the Bible says about those who curse Israel??? POWDERMAN. 

[guzzijohn]

I would not call this backing his "godless friends" against God's chosen people. It appears to me to be more of a negotiation tactic and is over the settlements not the country of Israel. Has Obama pulled all of our aid to Israel? Has he pulled our weapons support to Israel? Once again exaggerations and distortion of the actual event.

ource: Foreign Policy

In sharp reversal, U.S. agrees to rebuke Israel in Security Council
Posted By Colum Lynch Wednesday, February 16, 2011 - 6:00 PM Share

The U.S. informed Arab governments Tuesday that it will support a U.N. Security Council statement reaffirming that the 15-nation body "does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlement activity," a move aimed at avoiding the prospect of having to veto a stronger Palestinian resolution calling the settlements illegal.

But the Palestinians rejected the American offer following a meeting late Wednesday of Arab representatives and said it is planning to press for a vote on its resolution on Friday, according to officials familar with the issue. The decision to reject the American offer raised the prospect that the Obama adminstration will cast its first ever veto in the U.N. Security Council.

Still, the U.S. offer signaled a renewed willingness to seek a way out of the current impasse, even if it requires breaking with Israel and joining others in the council in sending a strong message to its key ally to stop its construction of new settlements. The Palestinian delegation, along with Lebanon, the Security Council's only Arab member state, have asked the council's president this evening to schedule a meeting for Friday. But it remained unclear whether the Palestinian move today to reject the U.S. offer is simply a negotiating tactic aimed at extracting a better deal from Washington.

Susan E. Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, outlined the new U.S. offer in a closed door meeting on Tuesday with the Arab Group, a bloc of Arab countries from North Africa and the Middle East. In exchange for scuttling the Palestinian resolution, the United States would support the council statement, consider supporting a U.N. Security Council visit to the Middle East, the first since 1979, and commit to supporting strong language criticizing Israel's settlement policies in a future statement by the Middle East Quartet. /quote]

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[powderman]

guzzi. The obamination is in effect telling Israel they can't build in their own country, if thats not backing the godless ones I don't know what is. POWDERMAN. 

[Pat/Rick]

The oslo treaty worked out so well for israel, I'm sure this will to.   

The saudi pres told/warned  b.o. not to stop egypts foreign aid, maybe he's just letting his frustrations be taken out on israel?  But do remember that b.o. did state that if any difficulties arise, that he would "side with islam". Like egypt, yemen, and others, israel is a USA backed nation. They have to put up with our gooberments nonsense, no matter how much it torques off the indiginous personell. Truly sovereign nations are isolationist nations.

[ironglow]

  ...And he wants us to believe he's NOT a Muslim ?   No thanks Barry, I'm not into Kool-aid..

[BBF]

Shows to me nobody can be wrong 100% of the time.

[jmortimer]

If B. Hussein directs the head of NASA that their main function is to create "self-esteem" in the muslim world then why would anything surprise. The best thing we can do is support Isreal and tell the arabs and persians to pound sand.

[Lost Farmboy]

It's never wise to stand against Israel.  Just ask Balaam's donkey.

[ironglow]

It's never wise to stand against Israel.  Just ask Balaam's donkey.

    Yeaaaah !
   You can also ask Pharoah's army, the Hittites, the Amalekites, the  Jebusites, Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Philistines, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. 
  .....If you can locate them anywhere, that is !

[beerbelly]

If powerman and ironglow believe what they say, I do not understand why they do not convert to Judaism. They readily proclaim the Jews to be God's chosen people. If this is so and the Jews are right, they do NOT believe in Jesus Christ. So if they are right, you are wrong and can not possibly go to heaven! God's chosen people will go to heaven, you  will be left out in the cold or maybe heat. 

[powderman]

BEERBELLY. You don't believe in God or know anything about the Bible or Gods word and this has been covered in other posts so I am not going to waste my time explaining it again. You are wrong my friend. POWDERMAN.   

[beerbelly]

Every Christian preacher I have ever heard preach, says that there is but one way to heaven. That is through Jesus Christ. The Jews don't believe in Jesus Christ, so there is no way they can go to heaven! You can't have it both ways!

[Lost Farmboy]

Every Christian preacher I have ever heard preach, says that there is but one way to heaven. That is through Jesus Christ. The Jews don't believe in Jesus Christ, so there is no way they can go to heaven! You can't have it both ways!

Jesus is a Jew

[FourBee]

One day alll the world's negotiation tactics against Israel will be met with a laugh from The Almighty God Himself and fire will devour the earth.  Asbestos ON !

[beerbelly]

Jesus is a Jew

Race or religion or do you know the differance?

[powderman]

Furthermore, israel is not really a country because they do not have a ratified constitution or established borders,





Wrong as always. God establish Israel not only as a nation but also her borders in the Bble. Can't get any better than that.
FOURBEE. Good post Sir and I don't think God will wait much longer.
BEERBELLY. You said, Jesus is a Jew. Glad to see you acknowledge him. POWDERMAN. 

[beerbelly]

Yep, I have heard him described as partaking of to much of that wine and coming up with his crap while in the DTs. I don't for sure but sounds reasonable to me.

[Lost Farmboy]

Jesus is a Jew

Race or religion or do you know the differance?

Jesus was a Jew by race and religion.  How else could he preach in the synagogs? 

What about the Jews for Jesus?  Are they Jews by race or religion? 

[powderman]

BEERBELLY. I like you, but I'm going to have to pretend I didn't see your last post. POWDERMAN. 

[beerbelly]

Powderman, I have no problem with anyone being a Christian! Hell my kids are Christians, but for myself it is just unbelievable! I turned 72 today so if I am wrong I guess I will be finding out before long! 

[tsalam]

TM7, the man christians call Jesus was/is a Jew born of a Jewish woman of the tribe of Levi and His earthly father was of the tribe of Judah/David and therefore fits all of the prophecies of Who He would be. He was totally Torah observant as were His entire family and every one of His followers. If you know G-d's Torah, His "instruction manual" for how we are to live before Him AFTER we accept Him in faith, you will see very clearly in the gospels written of Him by His followers that He was absolutely a Torah observant Jew throughout His life. If He had not been, He would have been a sinner and would not have been qualified to be our Korbon, our offering. As John said in 1 John 3:4, "For sin is transgresson of the "law". The word "law" is a mistranslation of the word Torah". Messiah was against the Jewish sect of the Pharisees because they had corrupted G-d's Torah to fit their own needs. Even the High Priests, Annus and Caiphus were not of the tribe of Levi as G-d required them to be but had purchased their positions from the Greeks and then the Romans. Messiah had a lot to fuss about and He has even more to fuss about and correct today but He was not anti-Jewish.

[ironglow]

Beerbelly..seriously..If your kids are serious, studying Christians, let them take you to a real Bible study. They would be pleased, your family would be more united and you would find more joy in life.  I'll be 75 come September, and I would like to meet you someday, over there "beyond the sunset"..
      I suggest a good Bible study simply because the very propositions you put forth now, which sound plausible (at least superficially) to you, will be explained.

TM,
  How can a people be "God's chosen people" yet still be under a cloud ?  The Jews have been God's people since the deal was made with Abraham..God chose them and loves them as if they are His children, but we also know from the Jewish Bible that they have so often been like unruly children (and so have Christians), so there were times when he had to treat them with "tough love" perhaps even for hundreds of years, and some will suffer and pay the price for it.  God is a "God of love" ...but he is also a God of justice..for instance, God may have wanted to allow Moses to enter the promised land..but He had to keep His word, so Moses did not enter that land. God is a God of justice !
  Your statement implying that Jesus was Nazarene rather tha a Jew is closely akin to saying.."William Layton is a Texan..so he can't be an American "!  Jesus was in some ways, anti-pharisee, but he was in no way anti Jew..
   I will again explain what the relationship is from Christians toward Jews..  Jews are our "spiritual ancestors" and we hold respect for them just as many people have a special place for their ancestors, whether thry would agree with them on everything or not !
       Now, if you STILL don't get it, that's your fault !  Also, if you still don't "get it"..it's simply because you DON'T WANT to !
         

   tsalam; 
          I take it  you are Jewish, correct ?  The point you bring up fits the Jewish pattern but not the Christian template.  Scripture clearly explains that Jesus was not the natural son of Joseph, but rather..Jesus is the Son of God.  The difference comes by way of the view of the promised Messiah.  The traditional Jewish image of the Messiah is of a conquering Messiah ..but Jesus came as a humble, suffering, Messiah.  Please re-read the book of Isaiah, especially chapters 53-55...see if ch 53 especially, doesn't draw a complete picture of Jesus and his life ! Notice over in ( Isaiah 55:5)   speaking to the Jews.."  Surely you shall call a nation you do not know, and nations who do not know you shall run to you, because of the Lord your God, and the holy one of Israel; for he has glorified you".
       Most Jews did not recognized the Messiah although He walked among them, but many are now getting the message...and there is still some time yet, hopefully many more will  come to the Savior.
   I hope I haven't offended you, I am just explaining the difference, showing where in the Christian view, the New Covenant , is actually an extension of the Jewish Bible..   

[tsalam]

Ironglow, of course you haven't offended me. We serve the same G-d and the same Messiah even tho we may have a different picture of Him in our wallet:) Perhaps I did not make myself clear enough. I am not necessarily presenting the Jewish or christian view of Him but I am presenting the Biblical view of Him. Throughout history man has tended to corrupt the original and in many cases made up his own doctrine to add to what G-d originally said. I did not mean to imply Messiah was the physical son of Joseph. I have no doubt that He was/is the Son of G-d. But as far as lineage He had to fit the prophetic lineage of the Son of David so we have to consider Joseph as part of that lineage when determining that He fit that prophecy to qualify Him as the Messiah. It is interesting that the Jewish teaching also says Messiah can come twice, once as Mashiach ben Yosef, Messiah, son of Joseph, the "suffering Messiah" and "Mashiach ben Dovid' Messiah son of David, the "conquering Messiah". Most Jews don't accept that of course because of what the catholic church has done to them over the centuries but their teaching does say that. There is also teaching that He can be a resurrected man. Which is interesting. Most of the orthodox believe Messiah will be a great Rabbi who has all the answers and will come when the Jews have repaired the world enough for Him. Good luck with that huh? I might also refer you to the great prophet Isaiah in chapter 56. It shows how G-d feels about non-Jews who keep HIS Sabbath and HIS eternal feasts and festivals. Also Isaiah 2:2-3 showing all the world will follow His Torah when King Messiah sets up His kingdom in Jerusalem.  Yes, there will be many more Jews, and non-Jews, who will accept Messiah but I'm afraid what it will take for most people will be during/after the greatest trouble ever to befall the earth. Remember that it will be 144,000 JEWS who will evangelize the earth at that time. I think most of us recognize that time is short and that there is still much work WE can do before that time so "get to work". Blessings to you and yours.   

[ironglow]

tsalam;
  Thank you...I am relieved that I didn't offend.  Really; we do have so much in common and yes, it will be 144,000 Jews who go out to evangelize the world in the latter days.  Also, in the book of Revelation (chapter 11), we see that 2 prophets will return to Jerusalem as witnesses.  We often conjecture who they will be, most think they will be  Elijah and Enoch, since neither experienced earthly death.  What think you ?
    In this prophetic book, it is said that these two will be murderd and lie in the streets, here's a copy of verses 7, 8 and 9.:

       
    7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

    And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

 9) And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

      The interesting thing is that 2,000 years ago, when this book was written, nobody but God could understand that one day people all over the world, would be able peer into events happening the streets of Jerusalem !  Who else could forsee the coming of satellite TV !
      The God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob..what a wonderful God.. Sadly, some still cannot understand the respect between many  Christians and Jews..and the roots of it !

[powderman]

TSALAM. Welcome to the board Sir. According to tm you and all other Jews are supposed to hate us. Go figger. POWDERMAN. 

[tsalam]

Ironglow, Our time as believers and our opportunity to witness to others of Messiah are fast coming to an end. Then, it will be up to the Jews to witness to the world as they were supposed to do from the beginning. But, it was G-d who temporarily and partially blinded them for a time so we certainly cannot criticize.
I have always thought the two witnesses would be Moses and Elijah. Moses testified of Messiah in the Torah and Elijah was said to be John the Baptist who also testified of Messiah. But I sure could be wrong in that. Noone knows for sure.
It has always amazed me that G-d indicates that the whole world will see the two witnesses, at the Kotel, the Western Wall of the Temple Mount no doubt, and as you say, that could not have happened before now. If you are not aware of it, here is the link for a live video shot of the Kotel in Jerusalem http://english.thekotel.org/cameras.asp that you can watch the goings on live. You may have to sign up but is doesn't cost you anything and you won't receive a lot of ads from it. By the way, turn your speakers up. There is sound also. The time in Jerusalem is seven hours earlier than the eastern time zone so it is after midnight there now. As dawn breaks the place will be full with people praying the shacharis, the morning prayers to G-d. Enjoy.

[ironglow]

tsalam;
   Thanks for the link, it is beautiful !  I put it on my favorites list immediately and will turn to it periodically as well as introduce it to other Christians..
   Some day Christ will descend upon the Mt of Olives, bringing His saints with him. Then this age old dispute of "who's land it is" will be settled..permanently. We know already, but the mistaken ones remain to be convinced !

                                                                                                                       Shalom & Maranatha...Ironglow

[tsalam]

Powderman, Thank you for the welcome.
 I'm afraid that is an opinion of many but it certainly is not true. I know many Jews and I have never heard one of them say they hate christians or anyone else for that matter. Hating is simply not something a Jew does. They don't even hate their enemies. I know many Jews are not crazy about the catholic church because of the persecution over the last 2000 or so years but I have never heard any say they hated the church members.

Ironglow: Amen to that:) Just wait till one of the L-rd's holidays being celebrated at the Kotel. There will be hundreds of thousands of people there praising the L-rd, dancing and singing. It is really cool.

[ironglow]

tsalam;
  I understand completely your concern with the political church, that which was started on it's bummer trail by Constantine, but hopefully, that is not so influential with today's Catholics. Still, I can see your concern, "once burned twice wary", and it has been a hot & cold history.
  I am not a "denominationalist", though my training was in a Baptist Bible school. I figure the Lord started one (His) church and  I try to stay as close to the apostolic model as I interpret it, so I am joined with a local church of the same persuasion, simply known as a Christian church.
    We have been having an ongoing debate here on GBO and I am, hesitant to drag you into it, but you will run into it.
  The debate centers  around the 3 major faiths. Some figure Christianity share more with Islam than with the Jews and that we "worship the same God".
  Naturally, Powderman, myself and many others clearly recognize the kinship between Jews & Christians..but reject that our God would seek to destroy Israel when he promised to bless them..can't be the same God we know !

[P.A. Myers]

These threads do wander around. The Israelis have well learned that trading territory for peace doesn't work and never will.


We pray for the peace of Jerusalem,   P.A.