Loyalty to Isreal Issue in GOP Cal. Senate Primary

[billy_56081]

TM you keep propagandising that "abortion" is Israel's "birth control of choice". Can you please substantiate you wild claim? Please do not link up tinfoilhat.com.

Here is a link that laims "the pill" is Israels most prominant form of birth control. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtStEngPE.jhtml?itemNo=1023815&contrassID=2&subContrassID=2&title=%27Pills+most+popular+birth+control+method+%27&dyn_server=172.20.5.5

[lgm270]

Agreed TeamNelson;
 
  Real Christians are standing up ....and saying Israel has a right to defend herself from car bombers, bus bombers, aircraft bombers, day care & school bombers , rocket launchers and other forms of terrorism.
  

Does America have a right to defend itself against Jewish traitors and spies in  our government?

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/new-fbi-files-alleging-aipac-theft-of-government-property-and-israeli-espionage-released-87230727.html

[dukkillr]

TM you keep propagandising that "abortion" is Israel's "birth control of choice". Can you please substantiate you wild claim? Please do not link up tinfoilhat.com.

Here is a link that laims "the pill" is Israels most prominant form of birth control. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtStEngPE.jhtml?itemNo=1023815&contrassID=2&subContrassID=2&title=%27Pills+most+popular+birth+control+method+%27&dyn_server=172.20.5.5

I'm not going to go through TM7s post to find his exact claim.  Life is too short.  However, it does appear that Israel has a relatively high abortion rate, always over 10% of pregnancies, some years between 15-20%.
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-israel.html
That link also has citations leading to the statistics coming from Israels own census if you choose to question them.  I have no idea what point is trying to be made, just providing the stats.

[billy_56081]

Pretty low compared to.

Kansas: http:  //www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/usa/ab-usa-KS.html

Mass:  http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/usa/ab-usa-MA.html

Kalifornia:  http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/usa/ab-usa-CA.html

New York:  http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/usa/ab-usa-NY.html

DC!:  http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/usa/ab-usa-DC.html

Although I see one as too many once again some silly websight that we don't know whether its true or not used as a partial truth. That is a great TM move.

[ironglow]

Agreed TeamNelson;
 
  Real Christians are standing up ....and saying Israel has a right to defend herself from car bombers, bus bombers, aircraft bombers, day care & school bombers , rocket launchers and other forms of terrorism.
  

Does America have a right to defend itself against Jewish traitors and spies in  our government?

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/new-fbi-files-alleging-aipac-theft-of-government-property-and-israeli-espionage-released-87230727.html

  IGM
  By the thrust of your question, you seem to think the US doesn't prosecute spies..that is a tenuous suggestion at best ! Certainly the US should prosecute any spies, be they from Israel or any other country.
  Naturally, we must be even more determined to prosecute all terrorists, be they poisoners or stupidcide bombers. Worst of all would be the simple-minded "jihad Johnnies" ....and Janies, who with US citizenship, prefer to turn traitor. Convicted, they should be quickly executed

   Disregard the subject of abortion, since it has no relevance here and TM only brought it up as a deflection from the questions he cannot properly answer..touche'  TM !

[billy_56081]

I think you hitthe nail on the head there IG. The antisemites will do anything to deflect blame upon Israel.

[ironglow]

  Billy;
     Do you agree there should be no mystery about our regard for Israel and the Jews? It is not because we have loyalty to Israel over the US, certainly not ! Our special concern for Israel and the Jews is simply because we believe our savior..i.e. our God, was born a Jew..
  
     ...Same reason I suppose, why some have a special kinship and concern for Islamic countries...

[billy_56081]

IG I understand it on both a Christian and American level.

[billy_56081]

IG...TM has done his homework...I won't do the research for Billy, but somebody can check out what 'pills' are being handed out in their public HC system..the HC system we pay for pretty much. Their public HC does not pay for elective abortion any longer so abortions are payed for out of pocket and are cheap and routine...from my sources about 60,000 per year compared to births of about 120,000/yr. In any case they have tried to promote higher birth rates since the islamics seem to be out multiplying them...that is unless you are a black ethiopian jew in which case you are part of their eugenics program...look that one up.

Arch spy Pollard (and others) is a cult national hero with shrines, etc. produced in his honor. Hey, guess what!?.... I might be a dual citizen thru my wife...!!

BTW...your savior was one of the first and most demonstrative anti-semites ever...and everyday you strive to nullify his teachings.


..TM7

TM Why do you spend so much time doing "research" on making Israel look bad? It seems that your "scientific method" has been started with anantisemetic slant to it to begin with? Or is this just more research for your upcoming comedy routine " the Jews did it" tour?

[ironglow]

  This is going from the sublime to the ridiculous...   Jesus an anti-semite ? Do you suppose He hated his mother .,.or all the apostles...or the 5,000 he fed on the shore of the sea of Gallilee.  ?
   If you are trying to imply Him as anti-semite because he often pointed out the flaws of the Pharisees & Sanhedrin...I guess you would accuse many here of being anti-American because they complain about Obama's policies or because they consider Al Gore a "global warming" kook !

  BTW: TM claims Pollard to be both a spy and a hero..may or may not be, doesn't matter. Nathan Hale was a spy, but still a hero to Americans..it's all in one's perspective.
  
   ...And in your post #86 where you say "YOUR savior was one of the first....."  ...'splains a lot about where you're coming from.

[lgm270]

 Billy;
     Do you agree there should be no mystery about our regard for Israel and the Jews? It is not because we have loyalty to Israel over the US, certainly not ! Our special concern for Israel and the Jews is simply because we believe our savior..i.e. our God, was born a Jew..
  
     ...Same reason I suppose, why some have a special kinship and concern for Islamic countries...

Special concern for Israel= special loyalty to a foreign country.  

George Washington  and all of the other fathers of our country were born subjects of the British Empire.  They risked their lives to give us our own country, free of a foreign empire.

People who believe in Jewish Supremacism should move their, apply for Israeli citizen ship and serve in their military, where their loyalties lie.

As Americans, we have a right to the sovereign and independent country George Washington and the other founders gave us.  We should not be a possession of the Jewish State of Israel and American citizens should rebel against our indentured servitude to that corrupt, apartheid state, based on a religion that 90% of Americans do not share.   

[teamnelson]

lgm270, not to quibble, but for accuracy sake, its 98% as in 98% of Americans do not share the Jewish faith. Israel's right to exist does not trump our right to exist, but that does not mean we should have no ties. We may not all agree in how Israel the country was formed, but we, the US, did it, and we retain a level of responsibility for that action. We should be a blessing to them, but we can do that without being their sugardaddy.

We often use the passage, "I will bless those that bless you, and curse those that curse you." as justification for blanket political, economic and military support to Israel (the country). That's sloppy exegesis that won't be resolved here. As a follower of Christ, I do believe that God is still honoring His covenant with Israel (not the country, but the people wherever they are). My salvation and sanctification are not tied up in Israel's present story though. I contend that a Christian's responsibility to the people of Israel is the great commission. And I believe that there is still more story for them according to prophecy.

[billy_56081]

I guess my eyes are not blinded by the antisemetic hatred that I can see israel for what it is.  Our best allie in the war against the cancerous cult of mohammed. I believe that we need to support Israel not only as God instructs us, but as support of a nation standing against the tyranny of islam.

I ask you if we don't support our ally Israel who should we support? Don't give me the childish answer of isolationism, as that has been nullified by ICBM's and NBC weapons.

[lgm270]

I guess my eyes are not blinded by the antisemetic hatred that I can see israel for what it is.  Our best allie in the war against the cancerous cult of mohammed. I believe that we need to support Israel not only as God instructs us, but as support of a nation standing against the tyranny of islam.

I ask you if we don't support our ally Israel who should we support? Don't give me the childish answer of isolationism, as that has been nullified by ICBM's and NBC weapons.

Israel is no friend or ally of the people of the United States, or anyone else for that matter.  

The largest lobby in the US is AIPAC, a lobby that serves the interests of a foreign country. Jewish spy organizations like the ADL and SPLC attack and seek to limit  the free speech rights of Americans, as well as support the invasion of the US by third world primitives, especially from Mexico.    The ADL "trains" law enforcement in "hate issues."  This is like having the KGB train our police to persecute us.  They support enacting "hate speech" laws. Do you know what hate speech is?  Hate speech is speech that Jews hate to hear.  They are loyal only to their own people and use  American goyim as sheep to be sheared and culled like livestock.

In Europe, it is a felony punishable by years in prison to disagree with the official Jewish version of the history of WWII.  Hundreds of  Europeans are rotting in jail for daring to disagree with Jews.   Judaism is a  vile, malignant form of racial supremacism.

The idea that we need the Jews to protect us from Islam is just a joke.  Both are enemies of our civilization and our people.   Thomas Jefferson dealt with the Barbary Pirates in the early 1800's without the necessity of having to pay tribute to some phony Jewish state.   Jefferson said Jews were a "blood thirsty race" and stated that their "ethics were in a wretched state of depravity."   The founders of our country were not fooled by these fast talking traveling  salesmen.  Too bad so many of us are.  

[billy_56081]

I bet you folks woulda loved Hitler. If it aint historically correct you will make something up or go to a far out websight and try to prop upyour position of hate with BS. So can yall goose step?

[1marty]

In the entire world there are only 14 million Jews. The population increases very little since Jews do not believe in conversion of other faiths to their religeon. In the US, Jews make up 2.1% of the entire US population. Jews make up less than 0.227% of the worlds populations in which Jews live. I find it odd they seem to be so feared by many people.

[Oldshooter]

I have wondered that for as long as I could think for myself. Have never figured it out.
I used to think it was because they gave up Jesus to be crucified. but that is what Jesus wanted.
Still wondering why.

[billy_56081]

In the entire world there are only 14 million Jews. The population increases very little since Jews do not believe in conversion of other faiths to their religeon. In the US, Jews make up 2.1% of the entire US population. Jews make up less than 0.227% of the worlds populations in which Jews live. I find it odd they seem to be so feared by many people.

Some folks are scared of the "boogie man". The Jews are just the nazi's, antisemite's and muslims "boogie man". It is funny how weak minds can be so afraid of a threat that does not exist. Silly children make up their make believe spooks. 

[ironglow]

 This is going from the sublime to the ridiculous...   Jesus an anti-semite ? Do you suppose He hated his mother .,.or all the apostles...or the 5,000 he fed on the shore of the sea of Gallilee.  ?Yes, an antisemite in the sense you and comrade Billy use the word....got that? The way you and Billy Jr throw the word around. But since islamics hold Jesus, and especially Mary, in extreme high regard whereas majority of jews have no use for Jesus and call Mary a whore than that would make the islamics your brethern and the jews what?. Obiviously, you know Jesus wasn't anti-corruption of spirit and not anti people.  Something you should try to emulate actually.
   If you are trying to imply Him as anti-semite because he often pointed out the flaws of the Pharisees & Sanhedrin...I guess you would accuse many here of being anti-American because they complain about Obama's policies or because they consider Al Gore a "global warming" kook ! Comparing Christ to Gore and BHO now, ehhh? You are spinning again, not only did Jesus point out flaws of the OT devils...HE WAS IN THEIR FACE!  (John 8:44) He was a Galileen first and foremost, country fishing and farming people, and little to do with the Jerusalem center of judiasm/phariseism. Your Scofield Bible may reconcile him with Judah, but he was a Galileeian foremost, likely the first Palestinian. Certainly a Christian foremost....his was method was not reconciling with the Sanhedrin or PharAsies or the religous order of the period....IT WAS A DIVISION FROM IT...a fork in the evolution of man's spirit. He was the fork in the road...you are the reconciler and deny a fork in the road.

  BTW: TM claims Pollard to be both a spy and a hero..may or may not be, doesn't matter. Nathan Hale was a spy, but still a hero to Americans..it's all in one's perspective.NO!..Pollard is not a matter of 'may be or may not be'...it is a matter of WAS a spy and endangered my country and my people to aid and abet your people.
  
   ...And in your post #86 where you say "YOUR savior was one of the first....."  ...'splains a lot about where you're coming from.Doesn't explain anything except your spin cycle hate and ridicule...What it says is "it is OKAY to criticize Israel and the zionist when they mess up, do abhorent things, and corrupt things; and to help them when they behave civilly. And if that is Okay for Jesus to do then it is OKay for me and others to do, despite your labels and occult cosmolgy.  BTW...everything you say and about is reason why there should be as wide as separation of Chruch and Hate as possible....if there was we might not be in the situation we are in today.


..TM7

   Islam does NOT honor Jesus..they say he is not God..They say God has no son. Anything short of that is not honoring Him..

   Their loss, not mine....

[BBF]

  
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Does America have a right to defend itself against Jewish traitors and spies in  our government?


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It appears to be NO !!

[Oldshooter]

Here is some information that may bring everything into perspective!

1.World leaders seem to hold "US" and obama in contempt!
2.Our country is broke, and our debtors are worried.
3.The Wars are adding to #2
4.We have 12 % unemployment.
5. The defcit is grooooowing as we speak and there is no light at the end of the tunnel. 
6. The legislature/obama is gonna shove "heth caw" Down our throats!

 obama is really PO'd about 1600 apartments being built in Jerusalem.

BUT none of the above!   

[ironglow]

Below is a map showing Israel (red dot), surrounded by Islamic countries (green). See how backward, biased and idiotic appears anyone who thinks Israel should yield another sliver of their homeland to accomodate the people who already possess that huge, green area.
   Let us reason together; it sure makes those who want Israel to give up any more of that tiny, precious sliver of their homeland look greedy, mean & evil. As I see it, they may very well be moved by the same motivator who moved Hitler..Satan..
    Are these hostile enemies tools of Satan ? Just observe; ..."you will know them by their fruit" !
  Some Palestinians have been staying in "refugee camps" and whining for the whole 60 years...isn't there enough room in that huge green area where their "brothers" can find them a home ? At the urging of the UN and often the US, Israel has traded "land for peace"..Israel kept their word and gave up the land..WHERE IS THE PEACE ? Some people's solemn promises are useless, can't be trusted..and NEVER should be trusted again.
          
      Sorry guys; but you must enlarge the map just to see little (red) Israel in that sea of green Muslim nations, but just think..from that little red spot, there has emerged in the last 60 years..more inventions, science, cultural refinement, agricultural advancements, agricultural exports and technical advancements than in the whole bright green area for the same period (India & indonesia possible exceptions, not being Islamic dictatorships). For the sake of the world, Israel should keep their homeland.

   It's just simple logic...

[teamnelson]

You could probably green out half of europe too while we're at it. Italy is the only Muslim country that hasn't condemned Israel yet. (or so the joke goes)

Of the two ways to preserve stability in the middle east, we have traditionally held to backing the "other side" namely Israel. Obama appears to be taking the other way, placating the Islamic world. Perhaps he figures that by backing Palestine, that will by the US a little protection. To my mind that shows how little regard he has for the country he's supposed to preside over. The term sycophant comes to mind; that's a little person that leeches onto a more powerful figure often for self-protection, or the desire to be associated with power. Folks who do that have a hard time looking themself in the mirror.

Mr. President, the USA is not a little person, we do not lack confidence despite your misconceptions. We don't need protection from the bully of Islam. Please leave us our dignity.