Author Topic: Loyalty to Isreal Issue in GOP Cal. Senate Primary (Read 4499 times)

powderman · « **Reply #30 on:** March 11, 2010, 03:34:13 PM »

TEAM NELSON. I believe we are saying the same thing, just using different words. I believe that we agree then that they are AN obination??? The dome will, and should go, and everything to do with that Godless cult. POWDERMAN.

BBF · « **Reply #31 on:** March 12, 2010, 09:52:35 AM »

Like it or not, believe it or not and fight it or not, we are being led to a place appointed a long time ago.
As Canadians we have much less control/handle on our Govt.

When a person has loyality to more then one country it should make you ineligible for the Office. IMO

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #32 on:** March 12, 2010, 09:53:25 AM »

BBF , that's good !

nw_hunter · « **Reply #33 on:** March 12, 2010, 10:02:52 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on March 08, 2010, 02:01:39 PM

I wouldn't vote for a canidate that wasn't loyal to Israel.

Well DUH!

teamnelson · « **Reply #34 on:** March 12, 2010, 10:27:56 AM »

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What alot of people don't understand about the ME is that religion and spiritual rivalry is a methodology of special interest groups getting what they want.

The zealot movement (Judas) at the time of Jesus wanted to use Him as their figurehead to accomplish their special interests, namely the overthrow of Rome, and the establishment of a one world government with Israel at its head. Its clear that part of the rejection He suffered in the passion was because he disappointed those with political aspiration. 2000 years ago ... still going on today, and He rejected it then, why would He want us to think differently now? (It's rhetorical.)

Some times a Christian is just a Christian, and not a zionist neocon NWO supporter ... probably most times. And that could probably be said of other religions as well, although some lend themselves more readily to be used as a methodology than others.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #35 on:** March 12, 2010, 10:53:52 AM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on March 08, 2010, 01:54:00 PM

You mean the blue star service lapel pin commonly worn by the family of those in combat that she wore in the campaign? Along with Cindy McCain? Yeah, not an Israeli flag. She has one of those in her office, true, but the pin wasn't.

TM7.......I cannot find a photo of Palin wearing an Israel flag pin!
The Blue star service pin I see in several photo's, and they look nothing alike.

I do see the Israel flag in her office, and find it strange,she would display it.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 12, 2010, 11:38:54 AM »

Quote from: nw_hunter on March 12, 2010, 10:53:52 AM

TM7.......I cannot find a photo of Palin wearing an Israel flag pin!
The Blue star service pin I see in several photo's, and they look nothing alike.

I do see the Israel flag in her office, and find it strange,she would display it.

I'd like to see it too TM, I just wanna make sure this isn't one of your 4000 watt death rays that run on AA batteries.

-Shaggy- · « **Reply #37 on:** March 12, 2010, 01:08:58 PM »

Sarah Palin with Henry Kissinger...

http://www.blogcdn.com/brighthall.aol.com/media/2008/09/82977706.jpg

That is not an Israeli flag pin.

powderman · « **Reply #38 on:** March 12, 2010, 01:25:16 PM »

Quote from: -Shaggy- on March 12, 2010, 01:08:58 PM

Sarah Palin with Henry Kissinger...

http://www.blogcdn.com/brighthall.aol.com/media/2008/09/82977706.jpg

That is not an Israeli flag pin.

SHAGGY. You have to learn how these things go. Now, look straight at it, then hold it to the right, it will look the same. NOW, take the pic in your LEFT hand and stick it straight out from your side, then turn your head as far LEFT as it will go. Now you should b able to see what certain folks here see. If that doesn't work, look at the pic in a mirror, yep, it's backwards. Thats how some folks see EVERYTHING. POWDERMAN.

-Shaggy- · « **Reply #39 on:** March 12, 2010, 01:39:29 PM »

Quote from: powderman on March 12, 2010, 01:25:16 PM

Quote from: -Shaggy- on March 12, 2010, 01:08:58 PM
Sarah Palin with Henry Kissinger...

http://www.blogcdn.com/brighthall.aol.com/media/2008/09/82977706.jpg

That is not an Israeli flag pin.

SHAGGY. You have to learn how these things go. Now, look straight at it, then hold it to the right, it will look the same. NOW, take the pic in your LEFT hand and stick it straight out from your side, then turn your head as far LEFT as it will go. Now you should b able to see what certain folks here see. If that doesn't work, look at the pic in a mirror, yep, it's backwards. Thats how some folks see EVERYTHING. POWDERMAN.

Nah, I know exactly how this is going to go.....

ironglow · « **Reply #40 on:** March 12, 2010, 01:55:50 PM »

  I have lived long enough to have seen the Jews reinvest their "promised land" just as the Scriptures promised. Almost immediately those who had been neglecting the area for 2,000 years, turning it to a wasteland , started to terrorize the Jews..just as Sanballat and co. tried to do to Nehemiah. The Israelis paid no great heed and and built a "Land of milk & honey", asking only not to be disturbed in their homeland.
  Twice (1967 & 1973), overwhelming forces from a land area more than 500 times the size of Israel, tried to destroy Israel. Twice, these same overwhelming forces were humiliated. Benevolent in their victory, Israel did not keep all the territory they had won..they gave back the vast majority..keeping only a small portion that once was central in ancient Israel.
   Then "the world" started to get involved, demanding Israel trade "land for peace"...something like Saddam's "oil for food"

Trying to be understanding, Israel gave much of the west bank back "for peace". ..."Liver lips" Arafat got his land..but where was the peace ?
  More recently, Israel was asked to give back the Gaza strip..for which in return.."peace" was promised. The Muslims got the Gaza Strip and immediately started turning it into ruins..and began attacking Israel from that same area.

   ...Indeed... "There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see"!

powderman · « **Reply #41 on:** March 12, 2010, 04:01:13 PM »

IRONGLOW. Well said Sir and all true. Sara does love and support Israel, she's supposed to, she's a CHRISTIAN. Christians do their absolute best to do his will. In addition to what you said, Egypt attacked Israel in 1956. The egyptians lost 20,000 troops, Israel lost 6, yep SIX, and I don't mean hundred or thousand, just SIX. Even with numbers like that the Godless ones couldn't seem to grasp the fact that their mohamed just wasn't getting the job done for them. As in the past, God blessed Israel, but the Godless ones are blinded by their master satan and can't seem to see that God is with his people, Israel, and will always be. I doubt that God is real happy with them giving up land that he gave them for eternity to their Godless neighbors. That too will change, and I believe it will be soon. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #42 on:** March 12, 2010, 05:08:32 PM »

TM;
Whoever Rev Ted Pike is means little to me personally, there are all kinds of people referring themselves as Rev..look at Rev Al Sharpton or Rev Jeremy Wright for example.
And tha supposed Israeli flag pin Sarah is wearing. http://www.blogcdn.com/brighthall.aol.com/media/2008/09/82977706.jpg That is a "Blue Star Flag" it is a symbol of someonme in your immediate family serving in the US military. If anybody in your neighborhood is serving there should be such a flag in their family's front window. If they don't have one, the local American Legion will probably give them one. ....My neighborhood is full of them.
I don't believe most Bible believing Christians, think for one moment that all or even most Jews in Israel are devout Jews...many are secular. That is their history close to God; then far from Him.....
Not unlike our own country, at one time almost totally Bible believing Christians..but that clearly isn't true today. ...And don't think for one moment that Christians have, as you say.. "pledged allegiance" to Israel. Biblical Christians may just have a better grasp of spiritual history than their detractors and are aware of inevitables.
Of course, when you speak of slaughter and mayhem...although we admit that no culture is entirely innocent of such, we know full well where about 99% of all the slaughter, mayhem, stupicide bombing and beheading is eminating from....nuff said..

See below, the flag seen in front windows & storm doors throughout my neighborhood...

billy_56081 · « **Reply #43 on:** March 12, 2010, 05:19:12 PM »

Quote from: -Shaggy- on March 12, 2010, 01:08:58 PM

Sarah Palin with Henry Kissinger...

http://www.blogcdn.com/brighthall.aol.com/media/2008/09/82977706.jpg

That is not an Israeli flag pin.

Just like the 4000 watt death ray that ran on AA batteries TM linked before as a "super weapon". TM you never fail to crack me up.

-Shaggy- · « **Reply #44 on:** March 12, 2010, 05:52:07 PM »

Yeah, exactly what I expected.

Sarah Palin, Tea Party Convention...

http://o.aolcdn.com/propeller/media/library/R/K/RK6pI7.jpg

Again, not the Israeli flag.

ironglow · « **Reply #45 on:** March 13, 2010, 04:13:59 AM »

I guess anybody who would believe that really is an Israeli flag; might even be talked into the idea that the US government blew up the World Trade Center and the federal building in Oklahoma city.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 13, 2010, 04:23:49 AM »

Yeah IG I just looked at the Israeli flag and it aint even close. A five pointed star with a red border verses a 6 pointed star with a blue line above and below. This reminds me of the time TM was talking about the planes on 9/11 turning off their IFF systems. I had to laugh, I was in the air defence branh of the Army and IFF was a military only deal, and was basically just a simple challenge/passord like we used on guard duty but was an electronic version. The more "facts" he shows the more I laugh.

The dude is a riot.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #47 on:** March 13, 2010, 04:43:21 AM »

HMMM TM, I think you need your eyes checked once again. I clicked on the links you provided, now we cannot definitly tell what the pin on her lapel is but, I can definitly see that on the pics of Sarah the left side of the pin she is wearing is definily lighter colored and on the US/Israeli pin you provided the Israeli (lighter colored flag) is on the right. Once again another 4000 watt death ray that runs on AA batteries. Dude you are the funniest.

ironglow · « **Reply #48 on:** March 13, 2010, 04:46:55 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on March 12, 2010, 03:29:36 PM

Quote from: -Shaggy- on March 12, 2010, 01:39:29 PM
Quote from: powderman on March 12, 2010, 01:25:16 PM
Quote from: -Shaggy- on March 12, 2010, 01:08:58 PM
Sarah Palin with Henry Kissinger...

http://www.blogcdn.com/brighthall.aol.com/media/2008/09/82977706.jpg

That is not an Israeli flag pin.

SHAGGY. You have to learn how these things go. Now, look straight at it, then hold it to the right, it will look the same. NOW, take the pic in your LEFT hand and stick it straight out from your side, then turn your head as far LEFT as it will go. Now you should b able to see what certain folks here see. If that doesn't work, look at the pic in a mirror, yep, it's backwards. Thats how some folks see EVERYTHING. POWDERMAN.

Nah, I know exactly how this is going to go.....
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Oh you do..do you?

Pictures of Sarah with Henry K are a few more than you listed...Try to find the pic of Joe Leiberman pinning her with the seal...good luck finding it at this later date however...it was all over the net last election.

Whether she has an israeli flag in her office, lapel, in her hair, or in her head is beside the point...she has pledged alliegence to israel and "Loves Israel" in her own words and supports them in every endeavor regardless of what that may be...this much we know; and one may wonder what that all means relative to support of the USA's best interest....just that simple.

But in any case these sources say she has worn the the seal/flag on her lapel in addition to displaying this foreign flag in her office before quitting that gov job.

At the recent Tea Party soiree I believe I saw the co-flag..."As Jay Newton-Small notes below, Sarah Palin inked some crib notes on her hand in preparation for her "big" speech to the Tea Party soiree. This has caused glee and derision in the left-wing blogosphere (as has her rather, well, unsubtle wearing of a joint US-Israeli flag pin). I have no problem with either gesture."

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/02/07/palin-2/#ixzz0i1DLk8O2

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/02/07/palin-2/

and according to Jewish Press:

"Republican vice-presidential candidate Governor Sarah Palin sports an Israeli flag in her lapel and displays an Israel flag in her office window despite the tiny Jewish population of her state".
And If you can find pictures of her pledging to aipac or trip to the Kennest look closely.

.http://www.jewishpress.com/printArticle.cfm?contentid=35945

Not all that important to me...just important that this a typical 2010 American politician with split loyalties; and as TNel would say a "divided consciousness"; just so you know who you are voting for.

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IG...I don't mean to be rude but your last post is delusional. Before zionist theft of the area the land was a veritable garden exporting food to Europe and elsewhere and having an organized government system consisting of 31,000 magistrates and administrators petitioning for statehood in the 1930s: petitioning to the League of Nations and they almost got it had not zio irgun terrorist upset the cart and wiped out ancient farms and settlements....Local Christian , Moslem, and Jewish peoples lived in relative peace up until the irgun terrorist destroyed the harmony of the area. You need to do some research in earnest, and stop reading and promoting propaganda or other revisonist histories.

..TM7

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   TM:
   I looked up the link you provided, where a nationally recognized reporter ..Jay Newton-Small..claimed Sarah wore an "Israeli/American co-flag"
   I am truly amazed that a nationally recognized journalist could be so grossly uninformed and plain ignorant !!! What kind of neighborhood does she live in ? Does nobody she knows, serve in our military ? Those "Mother's blue star" banners have been used since at least WW1..is she totally ignorant of history ? ...And how about TIME magazine, when they quote her, without correction...seemingly unaware of the historical precedent ? Public school's "dumbing down" process must be effective...with some !
http://www.life.com/image/1769190

  Below, see Sarah's photo taken at the Tea Party gathering..wearing her "Israeli/American, co-flag" pin...DUH !!

ironglow · « **Reply #49 on:** March 13, 2010, 05:19:39 AM »

  I searched long and found a pic of Sarah wearing that crossed flags pin. That doesn't alarm me too much..there was no "mixing" or amalgamation of the two flags. So she supports Israel, the only democratic republic in the middle east..sounds like a natural American position. If Jay Newton-Small interprets that as some kind of divided loyalty, that seals her ignorance.
   As far as that little pin, there are thousands of those made every day. Take a look at the following crossed flags pin which looks like it was made by the same company. An Israeli/Saudi crossed flags pin..
   What do you make of that..and who would wear it ?
  Wouldn't a journalist be considered a bit backward for reading so much into a small lapel pin ?

Using Newton-Small's logic (or lack thereof), one must assume that Israel and Saudi-Arabia are now united and hatching plots against us !

ironglow · « **Reply #50 on:** March 13, 2010, 05:26:16 AM »

Of much greater concern should have been the pictures of Che Guevera which were prominent in the Obama campaign offices in such places as Houston and Ohio. Still, we heard few of those same members of the liberal media raising questions as to the possible divided loyalties of Obama's lemmings.
Can you find me a link where Jay Newton-Small raised the alarm of Commie sympathizers in the Obama campaign ?

-Shaggy- · « **Reply #51 on:** March 13, 2010, 06:01:46 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on March 13, 2010, 05:19:39 AM

I searched long and found a pic of Sarah wearing that crossed flags pin. That doesn't alarm me too much..there was no "mixing" or amalgamation of the two flags. So she supports Israel, the only democratic republic in the middle east..sounds like a natural American position. If Jay Newton-Small interprets that as some kind of divided loyalty, that seals her ignorance.
   As far as that little pin, there are thousands of those made every day. Take a look at the following crossed flags pin which looks like it was made by the same company. An Israeli/Saudi crossed flags pin..
   What do you make of that..and who would wear it ?
  Wouldn't a journalist be considered a bit backward for reading so much into a small lapel pin ?

Using Newton-Small's logic (or lack thereof), one must assume that Israel and Saudi-Arabia are now united and hatching plots against us !

Care to share where you found the picture?

ironglow · « **Reply #52 on:** March 13, 2010, 07:47:52 AM »

SHAGGY:
I just did a Google image search for > Arab American flag pins < . I would suppose > Arab/Israeli crossed flag pins < would work as well
When I found the pic it led me to this site, but the but the p;ic must be buried in archives. http://friday-lunch-club.blogspot.com/

TM:
No comment on the Che Guevera presence overseeing the Obama sheep ?

See photo of Sarah below, now isn't she fresher more clean cut, trustworthy and decent looking than Hillary, Michelle or Nutsy Pelosi ?

Oldshooter · « **Reply #53 on:** March 13, 2010, 07:51:10 AM »

AWWWW! no that aint even a fair question, Pete!

ironglow · « **Reply #54 on:** March 13, 2010, 07:54:36 AM »

  Shaggy;
  Eureka !! i have tracked down the nefarious gang that is promoting all the clandestine, bi-national conspiracies !
   This must be the sneaky, NWO group who are trying to undermine our national sovereignty !

  Do you suppose somebody ought to tip off Jay Newton-small, so she can do an investigation of these treacherous people ?


http://www.google.com/products?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4ADFA_enUS345US345&q=crossed+flag+pins&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=p9-bS_XZIIG78ganyr2bDg&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CCYQrQQwAg

ironglow · « **Reply #55 on:** March 13, 2010, 08:07:30 AM »

Yes, that gang of pin-makers are probably hooked up witrh the illuminati and the Council on Foreign Relations...to say nothing of the Trilateral Commission.. Just look at some more of their propaganda.
http://www.google.com/products?q=crossed+flag+pins&show=li&sa=N&start=20&gnum=20

Actually; I like the one below best;

teamnelson · « **Reply #56 on:** March 13, 2010, 09:20:44 AM »

Which definition of Israel is everyone using? The geopolitical state, or the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, or the people of promise ...

billy_56081 · « **Reply #57 on:** March 13, 2010, 09:37:20 AM »

I myself will use Gods definition of Israel. Poor old TM is learning alot from some folks not from the tinfoil hat, nut side of life.

ironglow · « **Reply #58 on:** March 13, 2010, 09:42:09 AM »

Agreed TeamNelson;
   Many are confused and propagate confusion with that difference. Some are also confused by the word Jew..which could refer to a faith, an ethnicity ...or even both.

  TM; Even though you want to ignore the Che posters, they are still a fact... along with the Socialist/Marxist leanings of the Obamanites.
  Basically, I brought it up because with the outrageous wrongs being perpetrated upon our nation by the Obamanites, seem not to even draw your approbation, and you go on carrying the water for the Palestinians, as if what happens here in our own coun try is of little import.
  Real Christians are standing up ....and saying Israel has a right to defend herself from car bombers, bus bombers, aircraft bombers, day care & school bombers , rocket launchers and other forms of terrorism.
  A democratic republic is where the people vote for and peacefully elect those to represent them in govt..just parse the words. That is what is done in Israel...and it is a far cry from what is taking place in Gaza, Palestine, Syria, Somalia and the Sudan..plus many other Islamic entities.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #59 on:** March 13, 2010, 09:57:16 AM »

IG and TN let's not confuse TM with facts and reality. If he doesn't read about it on a far out website or here it from a tinfoil hat wearer it can't be true.