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« Reply #60 on: March 02, 2010, 11:48:13 AM »
Winchester WW231 is supposed to be as good as Bullseye, altho I don't use either.

Flake powders are more "fluffy" than most other powder types.  While I haven't used Bullseye it is made by Alliant (formerly known as Hercules Powder), same as 2400, red dot, yellow dot, green dot, blue dot, Herco, Unique and all the "Reloader" powders ..... Re-7, Re-12m Re-15, etc.

As for picking Bullseye as the ultimate propellent, if it fits one's needs - GO FOR IT!

But METHINKS Unique has a better and safer pressure curve for most reloading applications, and is more forgiveable.

"Pressure curve?"  A powder that goes from zero to 100mph in 1/10th second might be okay for a .22 (hypothetically speaking), but would blow a .38 Special or .300 Mag to smithereens!  If the propellent builds pressure TO FAST!

Most modern powders "burn" rather than explode, and give a bullet time to start moving down a barrel faster and faster and faster as the propellant burns and gas given off expands and expands.

One of the best explainations for this process has been published by Hornady in their last several reloading manuals.  CHECK IT OUT!

Just for information's sake, I also like HS-6 powder for shotshells and handgun loads.  But UNIQUE, AA-5, SR4656 and SR7625 as well as many other powders burn at similar or near-similar rates.

Make yourself familiar with the GUN POWDER BURN RATE CHART if you haven't already.  Its found in nearly all reloading manuals and shows how powders rate - which ones burn FASTEST to which powders burn the SLOWEST.

Also get familiar with that info in the Hornady manual too.

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« Reply #61 on: March 02, 2010, 02:52:00 PM »
this  may be the most  available source  of  powder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAvLAsyTVC0

it  might be well  worth its  weight  if  the wrong  ammo  is found
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« Reply #62 on: March 03, 2010, 12:57:05 AM »
WHERE DOES ONE ACTUALLY STILL BUY BLACK POWDER!!??

 There are only a couple of places that sell it locally around where I live. There are several online places you can order it from though...

http://www.powderinc.com/
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« Reply #63 on: March 03, 2010, 01:12:16 AM »
Ain't that why cops used it ?

 Yes. Cops used nickel plated cases so they could carry ammo in the loops on their gun belts. Leather processing uses acetic acid, and the residue attacks brass causing that green stuff to form on it. Plating the brass prevents it.
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« Reply #64 on: March 03, 2010, 12:52:22 PM »
WHERE DOES ONE ACTUALLY STILL BUY BLACK POWDER!!??

 There are only a couple of places that sell it locally around where I live. There are several online places you can order it from though...

http://www.powderinc.com/

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« Reply #65 on: March 03, 2010, 02:12:39 PM »
this  may be the most  available source  of  powder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAvLAsyTVC0

it  might be well  worth its  weight  if  the wrong  ammo  is found

wouldn't salvaged powder out  of  AKs  50 BMG..  any  found ammo

be  better than any  home made concoction

one  308  0r  7mm
should make  two  30-30s   or six  38s
you can  also salvage the slug  if compatable

well  the 50 bmg   won't fit into my bullet puller
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« Reply #66 on: March 03, 2010, 02:23:10 PM »
I've asked once if you could recycle powder, and I got some flak. If you don't know what powder is in it, how do you know how to load? I'm with you, a bullet puller is a handy piece of gear. Mebbe if I came across a pallet of 9mm, for which I have no weapon and had not acquired a weapon, then I might feel comfortable pulling some bullets and recycling powder for a .38. But I'm not certain how you'd recycle the powder from say .308 milspec ball into your .38.
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« Reply #67 on: March 03, 2010, 02:30:22 PM »
I've asked once if you could recycle powder, and I got some flak. If you don't know what powder is in it, how do you know how to load? I'm with you, a bullet puller is a handy piece of gear. Mebbe if I came across a pallet of 9mm, for which I have no weapon and had not acquired a weapon, then I might feel comfortable pulling some bullets and recycling powder for a .38. But I'm not certain how you'd recycle the powder from say .308 milspec ball into your .38.

i would speculate

say  imr 30-31   slow powder i  load in my  308
dont recall  load   [say 45grains]
5 to  10 grains  of  imr 30-31  in a 38  or  357
probly  reduced  velocity  and big  flash

either  way  i think it  would be  much  safer and predictable  than a homemade  brew
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« Reply #68 on: March 04, 2010, 07:19:59 AM »
When all else has failed and no help is in sight bet those who have made it thus far will be using what ever powder they can salvage - from other rounds , Hilti nail guns , Powder welders , cap guns or any other source . Wonder what could be made from flares
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« Reply #69 on: March 04, 2010, 07:56:29 AM »
mini tubing cutter could be used as a powder puller.......just cut.the case..........jb

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« Reply #70 on: March 04, 2010, 08:00:50 AM »
Or point of your knife ?
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« Reply #71 on: March 04, 2010, 04:55:46 PM »
mini tubing cutter could be used as a powder puller.......just cut.the case..........jb

might  need the slug  too

some one  mentioned  caps...i  assume  kids  cap gun  caps

any one  have the patients to  try to  rebuild  a primer  using  a cap????
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« Reply #72 on: March 05, 2010, 03:13:21 AM »

some one  mentioned  caps...i  assume  kids  cap gun  caps

any one  have the patients to  try to  rebuild  a primer  using  a cap????

 Oddly enough, I did. Not by choice though.

 When I was a boy I had a revolver that used those red plastic caps in a 'full moon clip' ring. They were expensive for me to buy. Dad found that using spent small pistol primers he could remove the anvil, punch the firing pin dent flat and use roll caps cut out with hole punch to reload them. He made me up a kit to do it myself. I was the only kid on the block with 'magnum' reloads using two or three caps to a primer.

 And now I have a Dillon XL 650  ;D
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« Reply #73 on: March 06, 2010, 03:16:03 PM »
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some one  mentioned  caps...i  assume  kids  cap gun  caps

any one  have the patients to  try to  rebuild  a primer  using  a cap???? 

 Oddly enough, I did. Not by choice though.

When I was a boy I had a revolver that used those red plastic caps in a 'full moon clip' ring. They were expensive for me to buy. Dad found that using spent small pistol primers he could remove the anvil, punch the firing pin dent flat and use roll caps cut out with hole punch to reload them. He made me up a kit to do it myself. I was the only kid on the block with 'magnum' reloads using two or three caps to a primer.

 And now I have a Dillon XL 650  ;D 

Victor, can you elaborate MORE?  What did you "kit" look like?  What would you need to make such a kit?


I've heard that toy caps use 'Red Phophorus', and first heard that primers can be reloaded using caps, in a Tom Clancy novel!  Thanks!



Now I need to find a source for toy caps.  Haven't seen any for years!    ???    When I was 12-14 and obnoxious, a makeshift firecracker could be made by taking a roll of caps and scewering them on a sewing needle or straight pin.  Then pulling the needle out would create a continuous stream of red phosphorus, that if one kept bundled, could be wrapped with scotch tape.  the "firecracker" could be detonated by putting a dab of airplane glew on it, then lighting it!  I preferred using a sparkler instead.

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« Reply #74 on: March 06, 2010, 03:46:46 PM »
we  used to   put caps  in pellets  and shoot them  backwards

neighbor down the street had a brick  house

was  an awesome  sight at  night  when your a kid
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DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
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« Reply #75 on: March 06, 2010, 08:18:52 PM »
 Couger,

 The kit was pretty simple. Dad used a flat punch to hammer the firing pin dent flat on about 100 primers, so I didn't have to do that part. Being used in a cap gun the hammer didn't dent the primer, so they could be used over and over.

 A plier-style hole punch to was used cut the caps to correct diameter to press into the primer cups (If I didn't center the cap right, sometimes it would ignite when I punched it out). Tweezers and a little scraper ground from a steel pin were used to remove fired caps and prep the cups for new ones. Opposite end of the scraper was used to seat caps in the cups.

 When I was making up my 'magnums', I'd glue the caps together and let it dry before pressing the stack into the cup.

 This is similar to one of the cap guns I had as a boy...



 For decades, toy caps were made with compounds using red phosphorus and potassium chlorate. I haven't checked lately, but I assume something safer is used today. I don't imagine that recent regulations would allow kids to play with such explosive chemicals anymore, even in small quantities. I have a stock of 30 year old ones I play with now and again.

 I'm quite sure usable reloaded primers could be made using toy caps. If they're still made with chlorate compounds, they'll be corrosive though  :)
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« Reply #76 on: March 06, 2010, 08:40:30 PM »
we  used to   put caps  in pellets  and shoot them  backwards

neighbor down the street had a brick  house

was  an awesome  sight at  night  when your a kid

 Yup. Dad and I used to glue caps to the end of flat-nose pellets. We had a spot we camped at in the desert with a rock face where little mice would climb around at night. We'd spot them with a flashlight and shoot near them, causing a pop/flash that would make them jump off.

 Sure glad pops still liked to play when I was growing up. We did all kinds of fun stuff like that together.
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« Reply #77 on: March 07, 2010, 02:49:08 PM »
we  used to   put caps  in pellets  and shoot them  backwards

neighbor down the street had a brick  house

was  an awesome  sight at  night  when your a kid

 Yup. Dad and I used to glue caps to the end of flat-nose pellets. We had a spot we camped at in the desert with a rock face where little mice would climb around at night. We'd spot them with a flashlight and shoot near them, causing a pop/flash that would make them jump off.

 Sure glad pops still liked to play when I was growing up. We did all kinds of fun stuff like that together.


my  kids are all  older than  me  now

at  least  in  actions

now  i have a grand kid to currupt

sorry  off  tipic

well  some one  load one  up
and see what happens
will the cap      or  a matchhead  primer  light the powder
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« Reply #78 on: April 18, 2010, 11:20:03 AM »
OK, I am going to weigh in again on this subject of survival reloading where a person is on the move.  First,  I don't plan on being on the move if I don't have to, but even now when I travel, non-business, I have firearms and some related reloading equipment (Lee Loaders and/or the Lee handpress with dies, the sect of scoops, etc.)

The argument has been instead to carry the equivalent weight of loaded ammunition, and to a point that makes a lot of sense especially for the short term.  But in a long term nomadic situation (a real civilization collapse) then reloading makes sense for several reasons. 

Number 1 being that I don't think you will last long if you don't buddy up with some like mind persons you leave with and/or join with on the way.  Obviously the ammunition will not as a rule be constant as each person will be carrying their preference.  Keeping every gun loadable will be a priority. 

Second, an experienced relaoder understands that a lot of powders (my favorite being shotgun powders) have proven functionality at the right loadings in revolvers, pistols, and rifles.  Yes the rifle reloads must be done very carefully and downloaded, but 13 grains of RedDot on a 30 caliber rifle will approximate the ballistics of the "deer" rifles from 2 generations ago.  (See C.E. (Ed) Harris's document on "The Load".  Green Dot is quite similar to Red Dot.  A great book is the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook.  Almost all calibers show loads for Green Dot if and when necessary. 


Third, lead should be widely available/forageable, and being able to cast in the common calibers will provide extra bullets.  No you don't necessarily want to bug out trying to carry a hundred pounds of reloading components, but the ability to  to scrounge 2 of the 3 consummables is a definite possibility.

That leaves primers.  Here you are probably going to need to bring along as many as you can although I have carefully recovered live primers  from cartridges that I have previously removed the poweder and the bullet. 

Something to think on.

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« Reply #79 on: April 21, 2010, 10:51:44 AM »
When shooting IMHSA there were guys who super glued mag. primers into hollow point bullets and shot the steel critters . That wasn't any of ya'll was it ?  ;D
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« Reply #80 on: April 22, 2010, 09:01:56 AM »
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I've asked once if you could recycle powder, and I got some flak. If you don't know what powder is in it, how do you know how to load? I'm with you, a bullet puller is a handy piece of gear. Mebbe if I came across a pallet of 9mm, for which I have no weapon and had not acquired a weapon, then I might feel comfortable pulling some bullets and recycling powder for a .38. But I'm not certain how you'd recycle the powder from say .308 milspec ball into your .38.
I have no qualms "recycling" propellent if I can go slow and experiement with snallish loads and charge weights!  And right off TN, putting rifle powder in a pistol round I think would result in a VERY INCOMPLETE burn - generally speaking, and poor performance loads, since rifles have such longer barrels to enable that kind of powder to more completely burn and expand >>> pushing the bullet faster and faster down the bore.

Now if one found a pallet or several boxes of pistol ammo and recycled those loads, putting full charges in a .308 or .30/06 or some kind magnum, that indeed sounds like it could RAPIDLY become EXCITING!    ;D

Of course there's a fair data available for loading reduced rifle loads from flake powders like BLUE DOT, UNIQUE, etc.  Reduced loads in a .308 Win or .30/06 at around 1500-200fps I think would still be quite useful in a SHTF setting (for close range and self-defense, as well as foraging food) when trying to kind ammo (and "better" ammo).

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« Reply #81 on: April 22, 2010, 09:10:57 AM »
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OK, I am going to weigh in again on this subject of survival reloading where a person is on the move.  First,  I don't plan on being on the move if I don't have to, but even now when I travel, non-business, I have firearms and some related reloading equipment (Lee Loaders and/or the Lee handpress with dies, the sect of scoops, etc.)

The argument has been instead to carry the equivalent weight of loaded ammunition, and to a point that makes a lot of sense especially for the short term.  But in a long term nomadic situation (a real civilization collapse) then reloading makes sense for several reasons. 

Number 1 being that I don't think you will last long if you don't buddy up with some like mind persons you leave with and/or join with on the way.  Obviously the ammunition will not as a rule be constant as each person will be carrying their preference.  Keeping every gun loadable will be a priority. 

Second, an experienced relaoder understands that a lot of powders (my favorite being shotgun powders) have proven functionality at the right loadings in revolvers, pistols, and rifles.  Yes the rifle reloads must be done very carefully and downloaded, but 13 grains of RedDot on a 30 caliber rifle will approximate the ballistics of the "deer" rifles from 2 generations ago.  (See C.E. (Ed) Harris's document on "The Load".  Green Dot is quite similar to Red Dot.  A great book is the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook.  Almost all calibers show loads for Green Dot if and when necessary. 


Third, lead should be widely available/forageable, and being able to cast in the common calibers will provide extra bullets.  No you don't necessarily want to bug out trying to carry a hundred pounds of reloading components, but the ability to  to scrounge 2 of the 3 consummables is a definite possibility.

That leaves primers.  Here you are probably going to need to bring along as many as you can although I have carefully recovered live primers  from cartridges that I have previously removed the poweder and the bullet. 

Something to think on.

Good post.  I've used red dot, blue dot, Herco, Unique and 2400 ..... altho I prefer ball powders, including HS6 and Longshot.  I'll have to study green dot and my Lyman Cast Bullet Manual!  Glad I'm still collecting boolit molds!

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« Reply #82 on: April 22, 2010, 09:25:52 AM »
When you pick up the dead guys ammo just pick up his weapon and forget the reloading . If things get that bad a flint lock would make more sense . The primer is a rock and the brass is not needed . Anything from bullets to shot to rocks or nails can be used. The only tool would be a bullet mold .
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« Reply #83 on: April 22, 2010, 11:52:21 PM »
Figure I'll build a sweet AR from the discards, as a wallhanger to show the grandkids before we go hunting with bows and slings ;D

There's a bit of adventure going back to the days of muskets, powder horns and casting over an open fire.
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« Reply #84 on: April 23, 2010, 03:32:09 AM »
Using pistol powders in rifle cartridges.  Does it require a filler to keep the powder near the primer? 

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« Reply #85 on: April 23, 2010, 04:33:06 AM »
vacek...to reduce burning rate you need form...eg long strands and a coating of graphite...I am darn sure that within a year of some global catastrophy somebody somewhere would be making a usuable bulseye grade powder....we have come too far to ever go back to black powder for long.

mach heads into primers like the black poachers here use are for those who cannot work out fulminates or sodium chlorate and ground glass....

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« Reply #86 on: April 23, 2010, 06:26:17 AM »
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Using pistol powders in rifle cartridges.  Does it require a filler to keep the powder near the primer? 

NO! 

There used to be a site called Rocky's Reloading Room, where Rocky Rabb listed among his many articles - some of them published, a recipe for using UNIQUE or BLUE DOT in "any" .30 cal brass to come up with his (Rocky's) dirt clod destroyer round!  (or B B Q briquits, clay pigeons, etc).

Rocky never indicated that the fluffy Alliant wouldn't simply ignite, with 8 or 10 or 12 grains filling most of the case - whether a .30-30, .308, .30/06 or even a .300mag of some kind.

I woke up this AM thinking about that site and will check to see if its still there.

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« Reply #87 on: April 23, 2010, 06:31:09 AM »
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vacek...to reduce burning rate you need form...eg long strands and a coating of graphite...I am darn sure that within a year of some global catastrophy somebody somewhere would be making a usuable bulseye grade powder....we have come too far to ever go back to black powder for long.

mach heads into primers like the black poachers here use are for those who cannot work out fulminates or sodium chlorate and ground glass.... 

Don,  would you PLEASE EXPOUND on these two "methods" of refilling a primer?  (I first read about the possibility of recharging a primer with match heads in a Tom Clancey novel, who only mentioned the possibility in passing). 

Thanks!

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« Reply #88 on: April 23, 2010, 06:39:51 AM »
Which caliber is the most efficient ... would get the most number of effective loads (i.e. for routine hunting and defensive tasks, not mammoth or fending off zombie hordes) out of 1 pound of powder, and which powder goes the furthest?

Reason I ask is I have a small tool bag about the size of a loaf of bread that can hold my Lee Hand Press, dies, dipper, 2# lyman pot, ladle, 2 cavity mold, primers, brass, and a 1# can of powder. I can strap the whole thing to a pack, and ready to go. Trying to think like a mountain man, who carried all his makings in his possibles pouch.



I've seen those lids that still have the hermetic seal in them on one of the online store that you can snap on a 5 gallon bucket.
That always seemed like a neat size for a hide away storage.
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Re: Survival Reloading & Casting Efficiency
« Reply #89 on: April 23, 2010, 06:50:50 AM »
Hope this isn't a no-no, but methinks this article touches on the subject mnatter of this thread.

Rocky’s  Reloading  Room  "The Universal .30 Load"

 Like many shooters, you have a .30-caliber rifle.  You use it on big game.  You may even use it on coyotes or other varmints, but not much.  It hits hard, but it hits hard on both ends.  Have you ever wished you had a really light load?  A load that is quiet, yet accurate, with almost no recoil?  A load that a child can shoot, but which you find useful?  Sit right there, my friend.  There is such a load.  And it works in almost any .30-caliber rifle.

 Let me look back into the misty past and set the stage for my discovery of this magic load.  Almost four decades ago, I reloaded for only two calibers:  .45 Colt and .308 Winchester.  My only other guns were either rimfire or shotgun, for which I bought factory ammo.  But I happily crafted my own ammo for both the .45 and the .308.  I used both guns for deer and wild hog hunting, and loaded mostly full power loads for both chores.  But I also had need for some reduced loads in both guns. 

 The revolver posed no problem.  There were an abundance of reduced power loads in nearly any reloading manual.  But the only loads for the .308 were at or near full power.  I wanted a quiet, low power load I could use for plinking and practice without the expense, recoil and noise of regular loads.  I also wanted a load that wouldn’t obliterate small game or leave the woods echoing while deer hunting.  It also had to be a load easy to identify, even when mixed with full power loads in my pocket.

 One day, while loading up a box of regular loads for the .45, I was thinking about such a reduced .308 load.  I changed the dies in my press and prepared a box of .308 brass, then started to mull over a powder charge and bullet.  I had almost decided to try a start level load of some powder or other, and was unscrewing the powder measure to empty it when the little light flashed.  The powder measure was filled and set to drop the load I’d just used in the .45 Colt.  Would that same powder charge work in the .308?  Not sure of my footing, I looked in a few manuals.  Nothing.  But, what the heck, I thought.  That powder charge produced only moderate pressure in a revolver with a 250-grain bullet.  Surely it couldn’t be dangerous in a larger case with a bullet less than half as heavy.  Right? So I charged one .308 case and seated a 100-grain Speer half-jacket Plinker bullet.

 With a bit of trepidation, I stepped out behind my house where I sometimes shot a .22.  I held the rifle at arm’s length, just pointing the gun at the backstop.  I turned my face away and pulled the trigger.  Bang.  Not a huge BOOM, just a crisp bang.  Recoil felt like a .38 Special target load.  The bolt cycled open with ease and the case popped out in perfect condition.  Hot dang!  Back to the bench and load one more.  This time, I held the rifle normally, took aim at a dirt clod and squeezed.  Bang.  The dirt clod vaporized.  HOT DANG!!

 Soon I had a full box filled and labeled.  On my next trip to the range, the new load and the .308 were first to be fired.  At 50 yards, the target showed a quarter-sized group.  A final shot with my usual full power load nestled neatly at the top of the group.  Double hot dang with grits and redeye gravy!  This was GREAT! 

 For ten years, I carried a few cases with that load everywhere I hunted with the .308.  I learned that it hit at or near point of aim out to 75 yards or so.  It killed squirrels, armadillos, raccoons, rabbits and any other small game I used it on without wrecking too much meat if I stuck to head shots.  It once finished off a deer another hunter had wounded, placed right behind the ear at a range of two feet.  On close range varmints it was very deadly.  The Plinker bullet made in-the-pocket identification easy, by feel alone.  Best of all, it was fun to shoot and a loaded round could be assembled for less than the cost of just a regular hunting bullet.  As a plinking and practice round it was faultless. 

 So what was this wonderful load?  The initial rounds that long-ago afternoon held 9.5 grains of Unique, later rounded up to an even ten.  What makes it magic, and why should you care?  Simple: that one load works in almost ANY .30-caliber case.  I have yet to find a .30-caliber cartridge except for the .30 Carbine where it wasn’t both safe and effective.  From the venerable .30-30 to the biggest, hairiest .300 Wowsa Magnum, the load works as advertised.  For cases from the .30-30 to the .308, 10.0 grains of Unique works just fine.  For cases .30-06 and larger, use 12.0 grains to make up for the larger case volume.   

 I shot the load in my .308 for decades before I owned a chronograph.  When I started writing articles about reloading, one of Dr. Ken Oehler’s wonderful Model 35Ps was one of my first purchases.  Dozens of guns fired thousands of other rounds over the screens but for some reason I never tested the plinker load.  I knew it worked to perfection, but I had no idea how fast it went.  I recently learned.  In my rifle, it leaves the muzzle at 1600 fps and keeps five shots inside an inch at 50 yards.  That’s neither a sage-scorching load nor a target load, but it stays on a jackrabbit out to 75 yards or so, lets me take an occasional grouse while I’m hunting bigger game and eliminates pest critters.   As mentioned before, it has also taken small game and has pulverized bags of charcoal briquettes (the world’s best plinking targets), pinecones and other fun targets. 

 Over the years, I’ve burned up as many .308 rounds in deer camp as I have all other places combined.  The use?  Having fun with the other hunters’ youngsters, kids of ranchers and just plain relaxing.  Everyone who has ever shot the load, or seen it shot, wants to know about it.  As a result, I’ve passed along the recipe to owners of about every .30-caliber from .30-30 to .300 Weatherby.  No one ever tried it without producing a grin and a promise to load more. 

 I tested a few rifles over my chronograph just for this report.  Here’s what I found.  From a Marlin 336 .30-30, velocity runs 1675 fps, and a Savage 99 in .300 Savage gets 1600, both with the 10.0-grain load.  A Savage 110 in .30-06 gets 1475 with the 10.0 gr load and 1625 with the 12.0 gr recipe.  I’d predict that a .300 magnum would be right in that ballpark, although I didn’t have a chance to try one.

 Those numbers just about duplicate the ballistics of the wonderful old .32-20.  Using a 100-grain cast bullet, the .32-20 churned up just about 1650 fps from a rifle with moderate handloads.  It was extremely popular as a great small game gun, a fun plinker and a potent pest killer out to 100 yards or so.  Back then, a lot of shooters had a need for a round that was easy to shoot, easy on the pocketbook, took small game or varmints without destroying them, and was simple to reload.  They also tended to use one rifle for lots of jobs.  Sound familiar?

 Not all guns shoot the Plinker to the same impact point as they do full-power loads, but that’s to be expected.  Nor do some guns group the load as well as others.  That’s also to be expected.  But not many shoot worse than about two inch groups at 50 yards, some much better.  I suspect that some rifles don’t handle the very short bullet well because of the long jump to the rifling.  Others take it in stride. 

 By the way, don’t bother trying to seat this bullet close to the rifling.  The half-jacket portion of the bullet measures only about .300” in length.  I generally seat them so that a narrow portion of the copper jacket extends past the mouth of the case.  That means that the stubby little thing has about a quarter-inch of free space to cross before it even gets to the rifling.  I don’t even bother trying to set a precise overall length.  I just keep screwing in the seating die stem until it looks about right.  Trust me: it doesn’t matter. 

 At this point, a word about lever actions is in order.  I’ve always loaded lever-action guns with no more than two cartridges when using this round, one in the chamber and one in the magazine tube.  The load is so low-powered that I don’t believe there is enough recoil to either risk a discharge in the tube or of having the bullets driven into the case mouth.  But I wouldn’t risk it.  Others have reported no problem with loading more than one in the magazine tube.  You’re on your own.

 Another thing I don’t recommend is trying any kind of filler over the powder.  Unique is very forgiving of positioning in the case, and ignites just fine no matter where it seems to lie.  Standard deviation of velocities is usually quite low with this load, ranging from as low as five to no more than about 30 in the largest cases.  That indicates pretty uniform ignition and burning, despite my having taken no precautions whatever to position the powder before firing.  In all cases, I simply inserted a round and closed the action in the normal way, then lay the gun on the rest and fired.  So skip the fillers.  While I’m on the subject of ignition, I might mention that standard force primers are all you need, but magnums won’t hurt.  Heck, it’s even OK to substitute large pistol primers for large rifle. 

 You do need to be very vigilant to avoid double charging.  I prefer to drop one powder charge, funnel it into a case and immediately seat the bullet.  I avoid loading blocks like the plague just because of the possibility of a double or even triple charge.  If I have any doubt whatsoever about having the right amount of powder in a case, I dump that charge back into the powder measure and start over with that case.  Looking into the case doesn’t help.  Unique is a nearly black flake powder, and it simply disappears inside a rifle case, even with a good light shining into the case mouth.  If in doubt, dump it, and tap the case mouth on the bench to be sure. 

 Other than that, no special loading techniques are involved.  It does help to chamfer case mouths, especially if new or just trimmed, but that’s standard procedure anyway.  Full length versus neck sizing is moot.  Uniforming primer pockets, deburring flash holes, weighing cases or powder charges, using match primers, or any other common accuracy or benchrest technique is just plain silly.  In fact, this is the perfect way to use up those inevitable threes and fours of mismatched cases and primers that every reloader has laying around.  If you don’t have the Speer Plinker bullet, Hornady makes an identical model, or you could even substitute a cast bullet of 100 to 115 grains without a worry. This load just takes what comes along and loves it.

 In fact, that explains why one of the ten-shot test strings I chronographed with this load became a nine-shotter.  About shot six or seven, just as I closed the bolt on my favorite .308, a rock squirrel loped out onto the range.  I was alone, the gun was loaded, and the burrowing pest had a disdainful smirk on his kisser.  I’ll never know the exact velocity of that particular round, but I know it went right where I aimed!  Considering that I was using the exact same rifle that I’d first used to bust a dirt clod with the Plinker load three decades ago, that shot pretty much tied everything together.  The Load made me grin way back then – and it still does! 

Rocky Raab