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some where in between.
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No where. he is dead and there is no heaven or hell.
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Who cares.
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Re: Tiller the baby killer!!!!!!
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2009, 01:56:05 AM »
Because we have stupid laws & the country is mostly made up of people so ignorant, I don't see how they survive to be adults.

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Well Swampy I have to agreewith you on that. Personal experiance teach you that?
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« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2009, 02:17:42 AM »

I just believe what the Bible says, and not what the Church says.


Jeremiah Chapter 1 verse 5. BEFORE I FORMED THEE IN THE BELLY, I KNEW THEE: AND BEFORE THOU "CAMEST FORTH OUT OF THE WOMB" I SANCTIFIED THEE, AND I ORDAINED THEE A PROPHET UNTO THE NATIONS.

Psalm Chapter 139 verses 13 thru 16. Verse 13. FOR THOU HAST POSSESSED MY REINS: THOU HAST "COVERED ME IN MY MOTHER'S WOMB". Verse 14. I WILL PRAISE THEE: FOR I AM (FEARFULLY AND WONDERFULLY MADE:) MARVELOUS ARE THY WORKS; AND THAT MY SOUL KNOWETH RIGHT WELL. Verse 15. MY SUBSTANCE WAS "NOT HID FROM THEE WHEN I WAS "MADE IN SECRET", AND "CURIOUSLY WROUGHT IN THE LOWEST PARTS OF THE EARTH". Verse 16. THINE EYES "DID SEE MY SUBSTANCE", YET BEING UPERFECT; AND IN THY BOOK ALL MY MEMBERS WERE WRITTEN, WHICH IN ALL CONTINUANCE WERE FASHIONED, WHEN AS YET THERE WAS NONE OF THEM.


Well Swampy, if you JUST BELIEVE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS, perhaps you need to start reading it. This is directly out of the King James. As usual your statements are in conflict with each other.

  I don't agree with abortion.  I don't think just anyone should be able to get one.  Until a fetus breaths, it isn't a human being.  It's part of the mother.  It's not something you can grasp, but it's a fact none the less.  Abortion isn't murder.

This "FETUS" you speak of has IT'S OWN SEPERATE HEART BEAT IN WHAT? EIGHTEEN DAYS AFTER CONCEPTION!
IN FIVE MONTHS IT CAN LIVE OUTSIDE THE MOTHER'S WOMB AND YET, AS YOU SAY HASN'T ACTUALLY TAKEN A "BREATH OF AIR".b]


If this fellow had gone into a gun shop and killed a bunch of folks because he didn't believe folks should have guns, & you heard someone singing his praises how would you feel?  It sounds like you believe that freedom of choice is only for you, and not everyone.

THE ONLY ONE GETTING "FREEDOM OF CHOICE" IS THE CARRIER OF THE BABY. I WOULD HOLD OFF CALLING HER A MOTHER. A MOTHER "WOULD NOT SLAY HER OWN CHILD".  jmo

Condeming a child to a life with parents who don't want or love it, isn't a good thing.

NO IT IS NOT SWAMPY! SO BY YOUR STANDARDS OF "CHRISTIANITY",  THEN BY ALL MEANS LET'S KILL IT. ;) YOUR WARPED VIEWS ARE HERETICAL, AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE ENOUGH PRESENCE OF MIND, AND SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING TO REALIZE IT.

I HAVE GIVEN YOU SCRIPTURE, NOT "ANY CHURCH DOCTRINE". I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU START READING THE BIBLE, AND GIVE UP ON YOUR OWN GOOFY PHILOSOPHY REGARDING "GOD'S WILL". 
Dee,   ;)

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Re: Tiller the baby killer!!!!!!
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2009, 02:21:36 AM »
Well said Dee.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

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« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2009, 02:50:15 AM »
Well said Dee.

YEP. Pretty plain to me what the Bible says.
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« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2009, 02:55:37 AM »
Nothing to pray about.  Unlike others I'm not guessing.

You can't kill something until it's alive.  Without the "breath of life" it isn't.

Rant on, I'm done.
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« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2009, 03:08:06 AM »
Dee it seems when you presnt ole swampy with verses that prove him wrong he is like most liberals.

"I'm done"

How many times do we hear that from liberals, the world would be a much better place if the lying libs would only keep their word.
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« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2009, 03:09:16 AM »
IG...said:
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TM;
  You cite (Matt 26:52) as being "from the man" ! It says; " Then said Jesus , Put up again the sword into his place: for all that take the sword shall perish with the sword".  Excellent  !! TM...Precisely what many here have been saying..a scalpel can be a nice little sword for dispatching little boys & girls; so he met his fate as predicted..

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yeah..that's right.   always keep that in mind...............but you are suggesting Tiller's killer was doing the work of the Lord..under the heading that all happening is the work of the Lord, right..?

...TM7

TM7, Sampson was an UNGODLY man. Did he do the work of the Lord? Did God use him to FULL-FILL His Will, and punish others? Just a question.
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« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2009, 03:11:27 AM »
Nothing to pray about.  Unlike others I'm not guessing.

You can't kill something until it's alive.  Without the "breath of life" it isn't.

Rant on, I'm done.

Swampy I quoted SCRIPTURE. Are you telling God to "rant on". Are you denying the WORD OF GOD, that you claim to cherish as the ONLY TRUTH? If so your are INDEED DONE. ;)
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« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2009, 03:19:05 AM »
Dee... if you want to stir him up... just talk about how crappy the Remington 700 is!  He'll be back with more absolute statements without facts to back them up.


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« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2009, 03:25:00 AM »
Dee... if you want to stir him up... just talk about how crappy the Remington 700 is!  He'll be back with more absolute statements without facts to back them up.


NGH

With Swampy every thing is ABSOLUTE! Confusingly ABSOLUTE, and ABSOLUTELY SUBJECT TO CHANGE on a different thread. Swampy is a funny guy. I enjoy reading his ABSOLUTELY WEIRD confusion. :D

I just wonder if his friends are just like him. That would make an interesting Saturday afternoon get to gather, now wouldn't it? ;)
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« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2009, 03:26:42 AM »
Dee... if you want to stir him up... just talk about how crappy the Remington 700 is!  He'll be back with more absolute statements without facts to back them up.


NGH

lol... this cracked me up.  Savage is the best rifle ever made by the way!  :)

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« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2009, 03:29:57 AM »
Teddy12B;
 can you show me reliable news reports (besides some left-wingnut hack) that says the shooter was a "pro-lifer"? Last I heard, they could only trace his past to some para-military groups and several felonies, including bomb-making ( like Wm Ayers) from some years in the past.

I can not.  I had made the assumption based on the news I had heard at the time that is was some kind of a pro-lifer type of crime.  I could be absolutely wrong, but at the time that's what I had though it was.  I haven't been following this very closely lately, but did they catch the shooter?

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« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2009, 03:36:06 AM »
I am still waiting on an answer on my question.

How can abortion not be murder if a person can be convicted of a double homocide for killing a pregnant woman?
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« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2009, 05:02:31 AM »
  Teddy;
  Yes, they caught him soon after the deed, Our persident and most pro-life groups immediately came out deploring this act.

  I believe it was the following day the Muslim sniper assasinate one soldier and wounded another at a Little Rock recruiting station.
 I am waiting for the president as well as Muslim clerics and organizations to start making press announcements deploring the cold blooded killing of our fine soldiers..
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« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2009, 06:34:45 AM »
Powderman:
So let me see if I got this right.

"Sinners DO belong in church, but certainly not in the capacity tiller the killer was."  --- Pastors, ushers and choir members must be sinless?

"Too many preachers refuse to tell the truth, and it's their job to. They are afraid of stepping on toes and running folks off, thereby losing tithes and offerings, I suspect tillers pastor was one of those."  ---- Which truth is that? That all sin is equal in the eyes of the only one capable of judging it?

"Too many only preach the feel good things, they won't preach against killing babies or homosexuality, probly lose all their dumcrap members." --- No argument there. Of course they also won't preach that you checking out the skirt of the lady in the third pew is the SAME as committing adultery. Who wants to hear that? I mean then we couldn't go home feeling all self-righteous for not kiiling babies or being homosexual.

There are so many "first stones" cast on this board it sounds like a hail storm on a tin roof somedays.
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« Reply #45 on: June 05, 2009, 07:06:56 AM »
So if being a christian precludes a person from casing judgment on his fellow man, does this mean no true Christian can sit on a jury?

I still want to hear an explaination on my last question. No takers yet? I think this question will tongue tye even the most ardent pro baby killers.
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Re: Tiller the baby killer!!!!!!
« Reply #46 on: June 05, 2009, 08:38:03 AM »
Billy you were given an answer and one that I agree with for the most part...

 
Because we have stupid laws & the country is mostly made up of people so ignorant, I don't see how they survive to be adults.

I do disagree on the whole breath of life statement and have posted my thoughts on it.

As to the whole judging people... some of you guys should really work on that...

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There are so many "first stones" cast on this board it sounds like a hail storm on a tin roof somedays.
I almost fell over in my chair on that one... Oh how true it is...

Hey Billy, seeing as you like to demand answers to your questions so much... let’s turn this around and now you answer mine.
1) Why is it you are all for liberty and freedom for yourself and your ilk but not for those with opposite or varied views from your own?

2) Why is it you feel justified in calling yourself a "Christian" and then at the same time condoning the murder of another human?

3) Can you please quote me some of the verses in the bible were it says ABORTION is against Gods will?

4) You have stated that you derive enjoyment from ridiculing someone you don’t likes children, you use racist slang and slurs to describe those of other ethnicities, religions or mindsets than you, you think murder is fine as long as the one being killed is someone you don’t like, you declare the 2nd Amendment valid but are willing to forgo the rest, all in all you have a "I'm better than you" complex... Why?

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« Reply #47 on: June 05, 2009, 08:39:29 AM »
So when does God install a soul in a human ?

On a jury you judge the action of a person with regard to mans law not the intent in his heart and soul. You decide if they commited a crime not why they did it . The jury will hear facts as to wheather tiller murdered . They will not judge wheather or not God will forgive him .
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« Reply #48 on: June 05, 2009, 10:23:34 AM »
Hey Billy, seeing as you like to demand answers to your questions so much... let’s turn this around and now you answer mine.
1) Why is it you are all for liberty and freedom for yourself and your ilk but not for those with opposite or varied views from your own?

2) Why is it you feel justified in calling yourself a "Christian" and then at the same time condoning the murder of another human?

3) Can you please quote me some of the verses in the bible were it says ABORTION is against Gods will?

4) You have stated that you derive enjoyment from ridiculing someone you don’t likes children, you use racist slang and slurs to describe those of other ethnicities, religions or mindsets than you, you think murder is fine as long as the one being killed is someone you don’t like, you declare the 2nd Amendment valid but are willing to forgo the rest, all in all you have a "I'm better than you" complex... Why?

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« Reply #49 on: June 05, 2009, 10:29:04 AM »
# 3 , seems its a small leap from the passage in the Bible about wasting your seed on a rock to not wasting a human ? If you are to not waste the seed then surely you should not waste the product of the seed ?
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« Reply #50 on: June 05, 2009, 10:41:04 AM »
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That would be only half the product!
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« Reply #51 on: June 05, 2009, 10:47:41 AM »
Lets add a couple of more things to this subject.

The BIBLE does say that about the seed but to use your idea of it then any one that uses a contraceptive or any type of protection would be commiting the same crime since it stops the union of both halves.

Now about abortion.


What if it was rape?
I mean really a case of rape!
Why should a woman or younger girl have to go through the pain of carrying a child that was conceived against her will?
This would be something that would change her life forever.
I know some would end up loving that child no matter what but there are those that are not ready for that responsibility and making them go through with the birth may cause them to do lord knows what.

Like I said I am against abortion just for the sake of being able to mess around but there may be times when it would be warranted.

Just a thought.


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« Reply #52 on: June 05, 2009, 11:15:28 AM »
# 3 , seems its a small leap from the passage in the Bible about wasting your seed on a rock to not wasting a human ? If you are to not waste the seed then surely you should not waste the product of the seed ?

If my memory serves me you are talking about Luke 8 I think, and it was a parable that Jesus spoke and was in reference to the word of God as the seed... so no I don’t think that would apply here... try again

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« Reply #53 on: June 05, 2009, 11:25:19 AM »
no it was about better to waste ones seed in the belly oif a ----- than on a rock .
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« Reply #54 on: June 05, 2009, 11:30:09 AM »
no it was about better to waste ones seed in the belly oif a ----- than on a rock .

Dont remember that one... I will look so I can see if I can find the context in which it was used

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« Reply #55 on: June 05, 2009, 11:37:40 AM »
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So when does God install a soul in a human?

If they are elect, when they breath the breath of life.  If they aren't elect, they just have a place for a soul.
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« Reply #56 on: June 05, 2009, 11:38:29 AM »
Billy you were given an answer and one that I agree with for the most part...

 
Because we have stupid laws & the country is mostly made up of people so ignorant, I don't see how they survive to be adults.

I do disagree on the whole breath of life statement and have posted my thoughts on it.

As to the whole judging people... some of you guys should really work on that...

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There are so many "first stones" cast on this board it sounds like a hail storm on a tin roof somedays.
I almost fell over in my chair on that one... Oh how true it is...

Hey Billy, seeing as you like to demand answers to your questions so much... let’s turn this around and now you answer mine.
1) Why is it you are all for liberty and freedom for yourself and your ilk but not for those with opposite or varied views from your own?

2) Why is it you feel justified in calling yourself a "Christian" and then at the same time condoning the murder of another human?

3) Can you please quote me some of the verses in the bible were it says ABORTION is against Gods will?

4) You have stated that you derive enjoyment from ridiculing someone you don’t likes children, you use racist slang and slurs to describe those of other ethnicities, religions or mindsets than you, you think murder is fine as long as the one being killed is someone you don’t like, you declare the 2nd Amendment valid but are willing to forgo the rest, all in all you have a "I'm better than you" complex... Why?

Matt

1. I have never infringed on anyone elses rights in this country.

2. There are many cases in the bible where a mere man slew another in the bible. David slew Golioth, is one I'm sure many here can site dozens more.

3. Many verses have been cited here about abortion.

4. John Celli, aka JonnyC has stalked me from here to my personal email and emailed me over and over. I never ever once PMed or emailed him where it was not a reply to his email. Yep I insulted him, his manhood, his profession, his kids. The guy won't leave me alone. I actually do enjoy getting him wound up. I think he enjoys it also, as as I have said before, I never, not even once Pmed or Emailed him, opnly responded. Hey I have a very dark sence of humor. Now as to racism, I think I have me a bit of education, unless we have aliens amongst us there is only one race, the human race. As I said Matt, maybe you should have looked at the picture in my profile real close, when I was in the army most the blacks there could tell. Old JonnyC called me a racist for saying I have nappy hair. Well I do have nappy hair and if he wanted me to be a racist I can play the part really well. If you think I'm lying I can forward all of the PMs and Emails I still have if you like. Otherwise I really can fight my own battles.

And if I were on the Jury for the guys who took out Tiller the Baby Killer I'd vote not guilty and try to convince the rest of the jury it was defence of an innocent life. I think it woulld be my right to vote as I wished.
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« Reply #57 on: June 05, 2009, 11:38:49 AM »
I can agree with some arguments from both sides.  Yet some on both sides are too extreame for me.  LONGTOM seems to reflect my views pretty well.

The man that went to the church and shot the doctor is a murderer, and should stand trial.
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Re: Tiller the baby killer!!!!!!
« Reply #58 on: June 05, 2009, 11:42:35 AM »
no it was about better to waste ones seed in the belly oif a ----- than on a rock .

"It is better to cast your seed in the belly of a whore than spill it on the ground."

A snippet explaining the origin of the statement :

Better to cast your seed...

A commonly referenced proverb to highlight the evils of masturbation frequently mistaken as a biblical admonition is typically phrased as, "It is better to cast your seed in the belly of a whore than to spill it on the ground." The fact is, though, there is not anything to be found in the pages of Scripture. We get this question fairly often and have been trying to track down the origin of the saying, but alas, with no luck. While not certain of the phrase's exact origin, it does seem to be a false extrapolation of Genesis 38 and the story of Onan, Tamar, and Judah.

According to Ancient Near Eastern culture, it would have been the responsibility of Onan to impregnate his dead brother's wife that his brother's line might continue. Selfishly, Onan did not wish any of his offspring to bear any name other than his own; and so while he did, in fact, take up the responsibility of sexual relations with his brother's wife, he would not ejaculate inside her but instead practiced the withdrawal method of birth control. God punished Onan for his wickedness and greed by putting him to death (and not, as is popularly believed, for masturbating). The rest of the narrative features the wife, Tamar, posing as a prostitute and seducing Onan's father, Judah. By him, she conceives and bears a son from whom Christ would descend. And God does not strike Judah or punish him in any way in the narrative.

So it appears that some cynic had taken the veneer of the tale and crafted a wry commentary that has come to be known as actual Scripture (unfortunately). In the end, the admonition is far from biblical and has nothing to do with masturbation.

Sources: http://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/sayings.html

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Re: Tiller the baby killer!!!!!!
« Reply #59 on: June 05, 2009, 11:53:14 AM »

1. I have never infringed on anyone elses rights in this country.

This is not an answer to my question... You have many times said people did not or do not have a right or freedom that you yourself do... Why?

2. There are many cases in the bible where a mere man slew another in the bible. David slew Golioth, is one I'm sure many here can site dozens more.

hmm... what was the pretext to these acts you speak of...
I think as a Christian you are not to cast judgement on ANYONE as it is not part of your job description.

3. Many verses have been cited here about abortion.
Nope ... not one single verse has been given... so as you would say... "I am still waiting on an answer to my question.." Billy

4. John Celli, aka JonnyC has stalked me from here to my personal email and emailed me over and over. I never ever once PMed or emailed him where it was not a reply to his email. Yep I insulted him, his manhood, his profession, his kids. The guy won't leave me alone. I actually do enjoy getting him wound up. I think he enjoys it also, as as I have said before, I never, not even once Pmed or Emailed him, opnly responded. Hey I have a very dark sence of humor. Now as to racism, I think I have me a bit of education, unless we have aliens amongst us there is only one race, the human race. As I said Matt, maybe you should have looked at the picture in my profile real close, when I was in the army most the blacks there could tell. Old JonnyC called me a racist for saying I have nappy hair. Well I do have nappy hair and if he wanted me to be a racist I can play the part really well. If you think I'm lying I can forward all of the PMs and Emails I still have if you like. Otherwise I really can fight my own battles.

so the answer to this one was "Hey I have a very dark sence of humor" ok then would that be considered a christian trait?

Matt
Any fool can know. The point is to understand.”
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