Author Topic: Firearms Ownership, Hobby or duty as an American citizen? (Read 3184 times)

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 19, 2009, 02:00:38 AM »

amen to that.. i just can t understand why its so hard for people to see the reality of what greybeard said..no choice there..they take the guns.. they they take the freedom withum.. amen to us, all then .. at least my kind..slim
swampman i think i read you sayin you believe in god.. don t you know everyone of us is his child an creation..he loves all his creations ..no this is not a nation of perfect people.if it was his work would be done here anyway,huh..don t tell me you believe in a god an then turn your back on your brothers.. ive tried to understand you.. now im sayin.. brother wake up.. i pray you will. slim

Swampman · « **Reply #31 on:** May 19, 2009, 01:11:38 PM »

What happens in your dreams & what happens in real life ain't always the same.

rickt300 · « **Reply #32 on:** May 19, 2009, 05:16:06 PM »

What actually started the Civil War was trade. Cotton was the issue. The south wanted to sell the cotton to Europe, both France and England were willing to pay more for the cotton than the north was and when the north demanded the south trade with them the sabres started rattling. Definitly a states rights question. Freeing the slaves didn't happen until a year after the war had begun. Also technically the southern states had the legal right to seccede, this is clearly stated in the preamble that starts with "We the people". That lowlife Lincoln gave citizenship to foreigners if they would fight against the south. He also drafted citizens from the north that did not want to kill Americans against their will. In reality all any state would have to do to legally seccede would be to declare it's independence. It is very doubtful that in this time that the federal government could raise troops to fight it. The lawyers would have a field day!

mirage1988 · « **Reply #33 on:** May 19, 2009, 05:39:36 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on May 17, 2009, 10:15:52 AM

Quote from: Swampman on May 18, 2009, 12:59:22 PM

They murdered my friend in cold blood. He had his hands behind his head.

My young friend that was shot over 30 times while defending his 2nd Ammendment rights & didn't end up doing anything but wasting his life and the lives of 2 policemen in the process.

Something here doesn't quite add up swampy- your friend wasted two cops with his hands behind his head?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #34 on:** May 20, 2009, 03:50:36 AM »

If you look past all the BS what started the war of northern aggression was taxes . The war of 1812 caused great debt and the northern states were trying to over tax southern raw materials ( exports) to pay for it.

rickt300 · « **Reply #35 on:** May 20, 2009, 04:00:37 AM »

Seems odd that an event that happened 50 years before the Civil war would still be an issue.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #36 on:** May 20, 2009, 04:09:44 AM »

Why ?
The debt the Govt. is making today will be an issue a hundred years from now . They borrowed money then and had to repay it , take out loans to pay off loans etc. back then also. Really it is a short time in days with little in the way of communication and such.

rickt300 · « **Reply #37 on:** May 20, 2009, 05:42:59 PM »

I imagine in those days when you made a living farming and raising whatever stock you could many things slipped your mind. I agree that time would seem to pass faster because you were so busy but also the median age was something like 38 I believe. But it could have been an issue.

magooch · « **Reply #38 on:** May 21, 2009, 04:00:23 AM »

It's kind of funny how one's comments can be misconstrued. When I said that I wasn't comfortable with a lot of Americans owning guns, I was talking about liberal gun-grabber types. I also don't want druggies, punks, dipwads and panty waists to exercise their right to keep and bear arms.

When I suggested that we need a strong military to ward off our enemies, I didn't mean that the rest of us shouldn't be equipped and ready to defend the homeland. And I absolutely agree that possibly the most virulent enemy we might have to face is the enemies within.

rickt300 · « **Reply #39 on:** May 21, 2009, 05:49:28 AM »

I have many times watched people become more responsible when they took up the "Hobby". If the Liberal gun grabber types actually became familiar with firearms perhaps they wouldn't be so venomously anti gun. Not being able to define punks, dipwads and pantywaists and the fact that most Americans take some kind of drugs I'll pass on those labels. However in my book anyone that adheres to a code of life; No Raping, robbing, thieving or unnecessary killing is alright to own a gun.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #40 on:** May 21, 2009, 07:51:50 AM »

To be free we all have the same rights , so don't think you can exclude segments of people because you don't like something about them .

Swampman · « **Reply #41 on:** May 21, 2009, 08:24:27 AM »

I'm not comfortable with a lot of Americans driving cars or having children, but I don't think it's my business to stop them.

I don't think convicted felons should have any rights at all.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #42 on:** May 21, 2009, 08:37:20 AM »

If they pay their debt why not ?

Swampman · « **Reply #43 on:** May 21, 2009, 08:51:50 AM »

The same reason I don't want a pedophile that's paid their debt living next door.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #44 on:** May 21, 2009, 09:27:02 AM »

I feel we should seperate the felon and the mental patient . The guy who was 18 and his girlfriend was 17 that got caught in the bed room vs. the guy who hunts children are different threats in my book . The guy who gets 3 DUI's vs. the guy who rapes 9 women is different .
Just something to think about .

rickt300 · « **Reply #45 on:** May 21, 2009, 09:52:28 AM »

All of these people fall under one of the above categories. And a guy that get's 3 DUI's certainly has a responsibility problem.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #46 on:** May 21, 2009, 09:54:44 AM »

yes , but how many don't get caught ? and own guns ? He should not drive for sure but to take his ablity to protect himself ?

PartsMan · « **Reply #47 on:** May 21, 2009, 09:57:16 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on May 21, 2009, 09:27:02 AM

I feel we should seperate the felon and the mental patient . The guy who was 18 and his girlfriend was 17 that got caught in the bed room vs. the guy who hunts children are different threats in my book . The guy who gets 3 DUI's vs. the guy who rapes 9 women is different .
Just something to think about .

Two of those guys should be put down. Then we wouldn't have to keep track of them.
What's the point of letting him out if he can't get a job or live in any neighborhood.

I started into guns as a necessity for my hunting. I see gun ownership as a duty now.
Not only as part of the militia but also as the final check and balance of our government.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #48 on:** May 21, 2009, 10:27:38 AM »

yep a dirt nap would work the others just got caught doing what many have done before .

rickt300 · « **Reply #49 on:** May 21, 2009, 10:34:34 AM »

One of the tenets of a free society is that you aren't supposed to be punished for something no one can prove you have done. Looking at it a different way, taking away a mans driver's license makes it much harder for him to make a living. Sort of a catch 22.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #50 on:** May 21, 2009, 10:54:48 AM »

it would be easier to hail a cab than a cop .

mirage1988 · « **Reply #51 on:** May 21, 2009, 11:46:31 AM »

Quote from: mirage1988 on May 19, 2009, 05:39:36 PM

Quote from: Swampman on May 17, 2009, 10:15:52 AM
Quote from: Swampman on May 18, 2009, 12:59:22 PM

They murdered my friend in cold blood. He had his hands behind his head.

My young friend that was shot over 30 times while defending his 2nd Ammendment rights & didn't end up doing anything but wasting his life and the lives of 2 policemen in the process.

Something here doesn't quite add up swampy- your friend wasted two cops with his hands behind his head?

Still waiting swampman- you throw that crap out there and not provide any details?

Swampman · « **Reply #52 on:** May 21, 2009, 12:00:49 PM »

I'm not at liberty to discuss the details.

mirage1988 · « **Reply #53 on:** May 21, 2009, 12:16:23 PM »

Yeah- good advice- run from the cops!
They will be willing to talk when they finally stop you-AT GUNPOINT!

That the same advice you gave your friend?

billy_56081 · « **Reply #54 on:** May 21, 2009, 12:23:48 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on May 21, 2009, 08:24:27 AM

I'm not comfortable with a lot of Americans driving cars or having children, but I don't think it's my business to stop them.

I don't think convicted felons should have any rights at all.

Swampy don't come to MN then.

http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/pubs/firearms.pdf

pastorp · « **Reply #55 on:** May 21, 2009, 02:00:23 PM »

Swampman, I'm afraid I too am growing tired of your "one liners" they are intended to stir the pot in my opinion. If you can't talk about the details then just don't mention it at all. Regards,

Swampman · « **Reply #56 on:** May 21, 2009, 03:56:02 PM »

You do what you like.

jtech · « **Reply #57 on:** May 21, 2009, 04:05:16 PM »

My father died in nam before I was born, my grandfather lived with shrapnel in his body from wwII to the day he died (all the family say he was never the same after the war, go figure), uncles and cousins served in nam and korea, I served 7 years and am a gulf war vet., my son is currently on active duty with the national guard. Everyone served to protect our rights and way of life, all are proud to have done so willingly. I WILL NOT turn my back on the sacrifices the great men and women of this country have indured through there life times to allow us all to live with the rights and freedoms that we have. Never was one to reap the rewards without contributing,ain't made that way.
It's amazing what people can do when they figure out they have to, to defend their liberty or that of their family. Alot of people through out the history of this great country have done things to protect and defend our freedoms and way of life that they never thought they could or would have to. But DID.
Swampman, with out a firearm how are you going to stop 3 armed people(would probably only realy need to be 1), from doing whatever they wanted, without your permision? Look around the world, It happens all the time to un armed citezens. Ive been around the world a little and have talked to fellow soldiers/other people who have traveled more than I. It is ugly! You are either rambo x's 2 or youre police department is better tha any in the world (ie living in youre bed room).

jimster · « **Reply #58 on:** May 21, 2009, 05:02:57 PM »

I was really trying in a nice way earlier to convey the same message that others are trying to convey here, and that is if you give up your guns and then they decide to hurt you or your family, you won't have the same chance you WOULD have had in the first place.

It's got nothing to do with RAMBO! Or acting like RAMBO! It's only logic....if you let them pull your teeth you won't be able to bite anyone.

You might as well fight with your guns and saying anyone does that, is a RAMBO, just makes think it's something else is being covered up, or there is some other agenda I'm not catching on to. It just makes no sense to me. Nothing is ever winable or doable if your going to tell yourself that to begin with.

-Shaggy- · « **Reply #59 on:** May 21, 2009, 05:10:25 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on May 17, 2009, 10:15:52 AM

Having served my country for over 10 years, I believe I still have to obey the laws of the land.

Quote from: Swampman on May 21, 2009, 03:56:02 PM

Personally I'll never stop for the police unless there are plenty of folks around. You do what you like.

You say you will obey the laws of the land, you have said that you sold some of your scary guns because they might be banned, and you will hand the rest over willingly if the police come to get them,........ but you won't stop your car if the police want you to? Well, I guess you got to draw the line somewhere!