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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #90 on: May 03, 2009, 05:52:30 PM »
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Keep this in mind, if we do loose our guns it did not come as a result of this election, it came after many years with our heads in the sand.

That may be the most accurate statement made in this thread!

We have been complacent because(I think) it was made so easy for us by our forefathers. Like a kid who's daddy gets him a great job that he does not have to earn. We think it is always gonna be this easy! Someone else is going to watch our backs (NRA and the like) so we can sit back and not worry!
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #91 on: May 03, 2009, 06:22:57 PM »
Quote from: torpedoman on May 03, 2009, 03:18:14 PM
no use standing your ground at your home and getting killed or getting your family killed ,one at a time and thats the way it would go down, hide a few real good long range weapons and ammo, organize and go after the politicans who passed the law you have to kill the snake by cutting off its head. As a wise indian one said" it is better to run away and live to fight another day."  Look at the reason they give for us being in iraq and afaganistan  "if we dont fight them over there then we'll have to fight them here, nobody wants a war in their front yard.

would  you fight  AND  DIE FOR  you gun rights?

there  is  nothing  i will  die  for
once  you die....your  fight is  OVER
i will do what ever it takes  to survive to fight another day  and another day  and another day

as GEORGE PATTEN  once said  i  don't want to die just ''make the other poor basterd die''

 maybe  if  we get the democrats  out  in 2010  this will be a mute  point


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Well, I'm afraid the only way we can actually fight and stand a chance to win would be to watch for black clad terrorists with badges massing outside the neighbor's house and back shoot them. With the help of the other neighbors.

Unfortunately, that would mean we cannot know if they are hitting someone for a good reason or bad. I'm inclined to regard all such raids as bad.

As a side note, the local police are pretty well behaved.

You never know what you will really do until a fan delivers the stinky stuff to your face, though.

Dee, look up "fourth generation war". I have a folder in my other hard drive full of the sort of thing the feds are recommending for "keeping the peace". It sounds oddly like the sort of thing the Nazis and other tyrannical governments did to "keep the peace". Better search and download fast, I doubt it will remain publicly available for long. 



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we  sit back  and  accept  a swat  team kicking  in  the door of a home
and  sip  a cold  beer  as  we  watch it  on  ''SWAT''    or  'COPS''  or  the news  and  think it is a good thing  they do
because  we  don't approve  of the drugs  THEY  use
you  either beleive in freedom  or you don't
some  critizize those  saying  they  won't  die for  freedom
then  you condone  the takeing  of others freedoms

when  you  need to  fight and  die for your  gun  rights   
society  will  look upon  you they  way  it  now  looks at dope dealers

you  people  talk  of  DIEING  for a cause  yet  some  of  you live  with OBAMA VOTERS
i  wonder how many said they will  DIE  for gun rights and freedom   yet are registered democrats


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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #92 on: May 03, 2009, 06:59:02 PM »
Boys & ladies-
I am comming into this a little late but let me put it this way.
I think the words in my profile will tell my side.

"I will stand for your rights as my forefathers did before me!
My thanks to those who have, are and will stand for mine!"


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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #93 on: May 04, 2009, 12:33:06 AM »


  When they start seizing arms, the word will get out..so shortly thereafter they won't be able to find more than one or two arms at anyone's house.
  

I said the same thing back in the beginning of this thread and got called a coward.  Well I said as soon as the law passed I will call and report them all stolen and by the time they get to my house there wont be a gun here.  I guess dying is better than that.   
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #94 on: May 04, 2009, 12:51:15 AM »
Quote from: bubba on May 04, 2009, 12:33:06 AM


  When they start seizing arms, the word will get out..so shortly thereafter they won't be able to find more than one or two arms at anyone's house.
  

I said the same thing back in the beginning of this thread and got called a coward.  Well I said as soon as the law passed I will call and report them all stolen and by the time they get to my house there wont be a gun here.  I guess dying is better than that.   

You mean filing a false report (felony in most states), and going to the pen for lying? Yea, dying might be a little better than the pen. Hmmmm
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #95 on: May 04, 2009, 01:15:13 AM »
so getting into a shootout and getting taken into custody having your guns taken anyway and where do you end up.  O yeah in the pen or dead.  It seems to me no matter what I say you want to attack it which is fine.  Why didnt you call the other guy a coward for saying guns will be hidden?  The end results seems the same except I didnt kill anyone or shoot at anyone and when I get out my guns will still be where I know where they are. Dont you guys get it. This is exactly what they want us to do is talk revolt to make gun owners look like how they portray us.  We are simply feeding the other side by talking this way especially in a public forum.  Did our forefathers meet in the public square and have the minutes printed in the papers? No they met secretly.  "I will shoot them in the back at my neighbors".  "They will see why they are afraid of the dark" is just what they want us to say.  And please dont think that sights like this one and many others arent monitored. 
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #96 on: May 04, 2009, 01:22:49 AM »
Quote from: bubba on May 04, 2009, 01:15:13 AM
so getting into a shootout and getting taken into custody having your hguns taken anyway and where do you end up.  O yeah in the pen.  It seems to me no matter what I say you want to attack it which is fine.  Why didnt you call the other guy a coward for saying guns will be hidden? 

bubba, I don't believe I have called anyone a coward if you go back and carefully read my posts. This is something you have taken up yourself.
As far as ATTACKING your idea of making a "false report" of a theft, that is not an attack it is an observation. It IS INDEED a felony to do so in most states, and WILL land you in jail. If a rogue government starts taking up guns, and you do what you have suggested, do you really think you'll get away with it? You have put yourself in this position by sparing with those of us whom have stated they will stand and fight. Your logic is not OUR logic. Your plan is not OUR plan. i.e. We disagree. Don't make it into a personal thing where everyone is looking at YOU, because we are not.
There are things I might "put away" but to take them all and hide them, then they are of no use to anyone. They are contraband, which serve the purpose of nothing but trouble for the holder.
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #97 on: May 04, 2009, 01:28:58 AM »
ok so define the difference between "putting them away" and hiding them because you have me curious now. 
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #98 on: May 04, 2009, 01:52:04 AM »
Quote from: bubba on May 04, 2009, 01:28:58 AM
ok so define the difference between "putting them away" and hiding them because you have me curious now. 

Putting them away are your words not mine. I said, there are "things I might put away". I have stated that I will stand my ground, whether it be my front porch, or not.
That is what I have said from the beginning, and pretty much all I have said. I gave my reasons and my beliefs, and certainly will not discuss any type of plans of action on an open forum, would not advise anyone else to do so either.
bubba, if you are satisfied that you have the right plan of action, then by all means proceed sir. When I shave I look at me, and when you shave you look at you. My past career has led me to the conclusion of not expecting anything much from others, whether it be you or my neighbor. I do not mean this as a condescending remark, I mean it only that I have decided what I AM willing to accept or tolerate, and what I am NOT willing to accept or tolerate.
Some are more tolerant than me, and some are less.
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #99 on: May 04, 2009, 01:57:29 AM »
You do a fine job of using words to avoid the question. Avoidance works well for you.  I guess since I cant get a straight answer, there is no sense in asking any more questions.  I hope this day never comes but if it does and you "might put some things away" and I will hide my guns.  You say hiding my guns wont work but maybe putting a few things away will for you.  Umm good luck with that.
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #100 on: May 04, 2009, 02:04:38 AM »
between   confiscation

a forced buy back plan

or  us just hideing them

either way  they cease  being a part of our  society
witch  plan  do you think will  be easyes and cheapest  to  implement


we  bury them for a generation  then WE  are looked upon as drug dealers are loked upon

i  hope  this thread  is an  eye opener
do  you have any democrats  under  your roof???

ARE  YOU REGISTERED AS A DEMOCRAT?
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #101 on: May 04, 2009, 02:21:50 AM »
Where the hell do you folks think you're gonna hide them that they will not be found yet still be usable another day? You're kidding only yourself. You'll either stand and fight the good fight and yes hundreds of thousands and likely millions will die but those who do not die will benefit from that sacrifice the same as we have benefitted from the sacrefices of those who went before us and died for our rights.

If you bend to their will there will be absolutely no freedoms left for those still alive. Yes I fully expect to die when the time comes but I'm an old man who's lived my life already anyway. I just hope when I die someone else goes before me but regardless I'd rather live free or die as loss of freedom just is not an option I can live with. If it is an option you can live with them you are the enemy.
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #102 on: May 04, 2009, 02:40:55 AM »
All I can say is dont wait until the SHTF to have a plan. or make some efforts to make your voice heard!

One man only makes a news event! Don'T be a martyr, there is strength in numbers.
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #103 on: May 04, 2009, 02:44:14 AM »
Quote from: bubba on May 04, 2009, 01:57:29 AM
You do a fine job of using words to avoid the question. Avoidance works well for you. 

AVOIDANCE? You are the one talking about avoidance. ::) I stated I would stand and fight. YOU on the other hand listed reasons for NOT STANDING and fighting. You my young friend are the twister of words. If you wish to publish your intentions on the world wide Internet then by all means YOU ALREADY HAVE.

I guess since I cant get a straight answer, there is no sense in asking any more questions. 

No sir, there is no point in you asking me anymore questions. You have made your declaration, and I mine. Hide your guns, file you lie with the police, and go to jail. You will have friends there no doubt.


 I hope this day never comes but if it does and you "might put some things away" and I will hide my guns.  You say hiding my guns wont work but maybe putting a few things away will for you.  Umm good luck with that.

This day WILL COME, and I will not be standing unarmed. You on the other hand will be getting mail from you cell, or your detention camp, for lying to the authorities. With time, your stance will be softened and you will give them up anyway. You have much to learn about freedom, and as you have youth, with luck you will have time to realize freedom is not free. This thread was a statement of intent, not an opportunity to debate the right of wrong of each one's choice. YOU, YOURSELF, have taken that on, and it is not going well for your cause. I say to you, hide "with" your guns, as you will be of no real value in the fight anyway, as you are not willing to lay it all down for freedom. You and I have almost nothing in common. Let us lay this down, as it is going no where good. ;)
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #104 on: May 04, 2009, 02:54:34 AM »
ok you convinced me.  Check the firearms isting they will all be for sale today. 
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #105 on: May 04, 2009, 03:10:43 AM »
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ok you convinced me.  Check the firearms isting they will all be for sale today. 

If it was that easy to get you to turn them over you didn't deserve them in the first place!

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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #106 on: May 04, 2009, 03:24:57 AM »
Quote from: bubba on May 04, 2009, 02:54:34 AM
ok you convinced me.  Check the firearms isting they will all be for sale today. 

Excellent choice, I'll be watching the  papers, and forgive me for refering to you as young. You aren't that far behind me. It was my error. ;)
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« Reply #107 on: May 04, 2009, 03:26:41 AM »
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How is there a difference in fighting and dying for your rights in a group of like minded men, than alone on your front porch? Is one more comfortable dying in a crowd?

Difference? Probability of mission success.
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #108 on: May 04, 2009, 03:37:33 AM »
Quote from: Chilachuck on May 04, 2009, 03:26:41 AM
Quote from: Dee on May 03, 2009, 01:47:35 PM
How is there a difference in fighting and dying for your rights in a group of like minded men, than alone on your front porch? Is one more comfortable dying in a crowd?

Difference? Probability of mission success.

Do I understand this right?  Are you saying that you would fight with a crowd for your God given rights, but you would not fight alone because of the probability of mission success?  It is only a cause worth fighting if you can win?  Well geeze and here I am thinking that protecting my countrys right to bear arms (the right that insures all of our other rights) is worth fighting for no matter the probability of the outcome.  I guess some of us realize what is at stake and some of us don't.  That is the only conclusion I can draw from the insanity being posted in this thread.  My goodness guys it is a no brainer.  Fight and take the chance of dying an honorable death in battle, or hand them over and be slave labor, prisioner, or most likely executed.  Remember one of the goals here is to cut down the global poplulation.  You think just because you are a good little boy and hand over you guns without a fight they will spare you?  I wouldn't bet my life on it.  Always a better chance of survival if you have a means to defend yourself.  OUR GUNS!

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« Reply #109 on: May 04, 2009, 03:47:13 AM »
There's more ways to fight than being like that old hippy poster, the one with the mouse flipping off the big eagle coming in for him.

And that's what "the last stand on the front porch" amounts to.
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« Reply #110 on: May 04, 2009, 06:56:28 AM »
Man you guys take things so literally. There is no one on this forum or anyone else for that matter who will EVER have my guns until I am dead and gone. 
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« Reply #111 on: May 04, 2009, 07:06:32 AM »
Atta Boy! by the way if they get you first can we use yours in a pinch?  ;D
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #112 on: May 04, 2009, 07:45:32 AM »
Not trying to start anything but I think I am a little confused as to where you stand on this issue bubba.
Most of what I have read of your replys on this subject leads me to think that you would not stand your ground but your last reply counters that.

In simple words- YES or NO, will you take a stand?


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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #113 on: May 04, 2009, 07:51:42 AM »
Voted not sure.  Wife and daughter are still very dependent on me.  It would most certainly be a last minute decision.  If it were not for my wife and daughter it would be a definite yes.

Folks have aptly pointed out that many of our rights have slowly been deteriorating over the years.  The current administration is simply putting the pedal to the metal in that regard.  Everyday it seems like there is something else B.O. and his rats want to control.  Just today the Attorney General of the United States of America wants to help a Spanish judge prosecute former administration members and CIA operatives for "torture".  UNBELIEVABLE!
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #114 on: May 04, 2009, 08:10:03 AM »
I stand where I have stood.  I will do everything I can right now to stop any legislation to take my guns.  It the legislation passes I will take care of my posessions so no one has any use of them but me.  My taking things literally  comment was about selling off all my guns at this time. That will never happen today or ever.  If the cops came to my neighbors to get his guns, I will be there to help my neighbor and I would expect the same.  However what I expect, I doubt will happen, so I need to do this my way.  As far as I am concerned you stop them from taking the guns now, not after the laws are passed.  Do I believe it is on the way yes I do.  First will be the ammunition which is starting now and when there is none available, it is tough to fight back.  The next step is the guns.  As I also stated talking about a plan on here or any other public forum is silly.  It needs to be done in secret.  I mold bullets for all of my firearms I can use in a time of need.  I have probably more ammo loaded then I will ever need even in battle and I know way I have more loading supplies than I should have in my residence. See I started buying extra supplies way back about 5 years ago when I started thinking times were changing.  However that being stated, if it comes down to it there will be no guns in my home when they arrive.  They cant take what they cant find. My other point is that to argue over this on a public forum is just what the antis want.  It makes us look as they portray us which again gives them more reason to try to do what they plan to.  Statements like, I will shoot them in the back if they try to take my neighbors guns and I will shoot them im the middle of the night and remind them why they are afraid of the dark simply fuels the anti fire.  My last statement is if we do nothing now to stop it, we have no excuses later when it happens.  That being said, I am sure I will be ripped for this but one of the good things about this country is I am entitled to my opinion even if it does not go along with the general consensus. I doubt anyone on this forum is capable of being a cold blooded killer when it comes down to it and that is what it is going to pull the trigger at that moment. I hope this clears it up.
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #115 on: May 04, 2009, 09:15:08 AM »
Quote from: Graybeard on May 04, 2009, 02:21:50 AM
If you bend to their will there will be absolutely no freedoms left for those still alive. Yes I fully expect to die when the time comes but I'm an old man who's lived my life already anyway. I just hope when I die someone else goes before me but regardless I'd rather live free or die as loss of freedom just is not an option I can live with. If it is an option you can live with them you are the enemy.

Just to piggyback on GB's last point: Its an old truth, but a truth none the less, that you should do everything as if your life depended on it ... that includes voting. The battle is not on the porch yet, and we still have a lot of options. Everybody's making contingency plans for the worst case scenario, and we ought to, but ask yourself what you could do today to postpone that confrontation on the porch.

Let's face it, we're not all on the same sheet of music yet. Some of you will fight to protect your lever 30-30 but not your neighbors 9mm pistol. When we begin the fight conceding that some restrictions are okay, we're actually just negotiating the terms of our surrender. Its not about guns; its about liberty, and only when we all cherish liberty will you have the voting bloc to affect change.
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #116 on: May 04, 2009, 10:15:04 AM »
GB is right.....you can't hide them, you can't say they were stolen, would not work.  I have a record a mile long on gun purchases and sales, a history of being part of shooting sports and competition, and gun activisim.  They would throw me in prison no matter what, just knowing who I am....and not to mention what we've written on the INTERNET for all to see.  If we can avoid the big fight, you bet avoid it, but if we can't, die standing up, pop a head or two before you go down.  A thousand gun owners that can take one ememy out is a thousand enemies in the ground, and that is pretty tough on any teams going out house raiding.  GB is also right about something else.  Some of us are old, we have lived already compared to the younger people.  Might have some bearing on things, I don't know, but it sounds logical to me.  I also think the government knows how chancy it is doing something like this and will try to SLOWLY get to us by dividing us up....hunters and those guns against others, etc....or tax us out of supplies.  They are not stupid either. 

So if the question is...what would I do if they barge into my home first?  Considering the dogs will be barking like crazy if anyone even gets close to the house...I'll kill the first person I see, and likely die shortly after that.  It's MY house darn it....and that will be one of one thousand down if a thousand of us fight.  Lot's of people all through history died for me, and did it standin up, and did it while being scared...just like I intend to do.  I owe them for the freedoms I enjoyed all these years...every patriot that died, every solder that died....I owe them my life because they gave me all I have ever had.
If they could do it, so can we.  I could not live with the shame of not being able to give my life up after they all did this.  My family would fight to the death as well,  it's some kind of genetic stuborness or something built in. 

It's my house and MY stuff....and that's the end of it....and probably the end of me as well if this ever happened.  So what.  God is waiting for us anyways sooner or later.
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #117 on: May 04, 2009, 10:39:31 AM »
 NRA called me early this afternoon..I was eager to help. I was 5th in line to give them my donation. No time to get cheap now,  let's stick together and do it ! Supporting our NRA is probably the best place to start.
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #118 on: May 04, 2009, 10:43:15 AM »
Quote from: DALESCARPENTRY on May 03, 2009, 03:43:56 AM
If they were to pass a law that outlawed your guns and they were coming to get them. Would you fight and die for your gun rights? With this thing they are trying to pass it would not surprise me if it comes down to that now. >:( Dale


Seems to be allot of beating around the bush for some,but reread the question.Its a simple yes or no for me,this I'm not sure sh-- is the easy way out,and could be thats the problem,too many have had it too easy for too long.
We are talking about the 2nd amendment to the constitution of the United States Of America.Without the rights of the 2nd amendment,none of the others are safe.
Some have said things about making statements on the net,and I rarely do and am guarded in what I post.But make no mistake,I will defend the 2nd amendment to my death if need be,not talk or big words as some have stated but fact. For you that are undecided,please please read history and everything you can find on the constitution and you may find you will change your thinking.
As to those who feel the same as I do,it will be an honor to stand beside you and defend our great constitution of the greatest country the world has ever seen.
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #119 on: May 04, 2009, 11:11:11 AM »
Ironglow is right. Politics are important here, and our lobby is the NRA.
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