Author Topic: Would you fight and die for your gun rights? (Read 13794 times)

Swampman · « **Reply #60 on:** May 03, 2009, 11:29:19 AM »

Quote from: bubba on May 03, 2009, 11:23:47 AM

He wont reply. He makes foolish statekents with no way to back him up. I have made him look silly so many times, he put me on ignore.

I put you on ignore because well.....I'd better not say.

Heather · « **Reply #61 on:** May 03, 2009, 11:31:38 AM »

I thought we agreed not to respond to people we ignored?

Swampman · « **Reply #62 on:** May 03, 2009, 11:32:38 AM »

We also have rules against personal attacks but that doesn't stop Bubba.

Dee · « **Reply #63 on:** May 03, 2009, 11:37:53 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on May 03, 2009, 11:28:16 AM

Northwest Florida Daily News

Ok, what was the date of the shooting? I like to look it up.

teamnelson · « **Reply #64 on:** May 03, 2009, 11:39:46 AM »

Sure I'll fight if it comes to it, but how many of you have actually killed someone? That's what you're talking about you know. And if you're in for a penny, you'd best be in for a pound. It's a terrible but sometimes necessary path no one should go down lightly. And it won't be for guns, it'll be for liberty itself.

Dee · « **Reply #65 on:** May 03, 2009, 11:42:28 AM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on May 03, 2009, 11:39:46 AM

Sure I'll fight if it comes to it, but how many of you have actually killed someone? That's what you're talking about you know. And if you're in for a penny, you'd best be in for a pound. It's a terrible but sometimes necessary path no one should go down lightly. And it won't be for guns, it'll be for liberty itself.

That's it in a nutshell.

Heather · « **Reply #66 on:** May 03, 2009, 11:44:32 AM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on May 03, 2009, 11:39:46 AM

Sure I'll fight if it comes to it, but how many of you have actually killed someone? That's what you're talking about you know. And if you're in for a penny, you'd best be in for a pound. It's a terrible but sometimes necessary path no one should go down lightly. And it won't be for guns, it'll be for liberty itself.

Taking the life of another person terrifies me, but living a life of opression scares me even more!

Heather

bubba · « **Reply #67 on:** May 03, 2009, 11:55:21 AM »

If I am on ignore how can one reply or see what I type

streak · « **Reply #68 on:** May 03, 2009, 12:22:46 PM »

I am sure our forefather`s would roll over in their graves if they could read some of these responses!
Being a history buff of sort`s I have always been intrigued by the intestional fortitude of our founding
farther`s. These guy`s put everything on the line for their freedom and fought for it. Have you every sat back and thought how steadfast these people were and the backbone they manifested?
Also let us not forget all of the servicemen that fought and died for our freedom,some of which are buried in far away lands!
I think we owe all of these people a great respect and we should keep up the fight for them.

Swampman · « **Reply #69 on:** May 03, 2009, 12:57:31 PM »

Our founding fathers are interesting. 1/3 didn't care one way or the other, 1/3 cared to be free, 1/3 were Torys.

The French rescued the 1/3 that wanted to be free. God wanted us to be free, and so we were. Now the country as a whole seems to hate God.

Where do you think this will go?

briarpatch · « **Reply #70 on:** May 03, 2009, 01:06:07 PM »

In that long list of Countries that lost their guns and resulted in the deaths of 56,000,000. You would have found millions of patriots. What happened that they did not fight? Or did they fight?
Corrupt men with authority have ways of using men and taking what they want when they want it. They have models that have proven successful at removing the freedoms of men for thousands of years.
These models start with laws that are backed by a weak segment of society. Welfare, law enforcement, liberals, ignorant and don’t care people. When they have these people in their fold they have a majority and the law is passed.
For example we are waiting with held breath for the law that will remove all assault weapons.
When it comes they will be turned in without a fuss because it is the law caring the weight of the government. If you are found with one you will go to jail for…. (Time)
The laws will get more restrictive and the guns fewer until it is over.
Want be the first time, want be the last time. History will record we were no different than any other.
Look at the laws we have allowed and the restrictions we now have. They are not worried they got obama elected did they not?

Swampman · « **Reply #71 on:** May 03, 2009, 01:07:54 PM »

What he said!

Chilachuck · « **Reply #72 on:** May 03, 2009, 01:40:29 PM »

Well, I'm afraid the only way we can actually fight and stand a chance to win would be to watch for black clad terrorists with badges massing outside the neighbor's house and back shoot them. With the help of the other neighbors.

Unfortunately, that would mean we cannot know if they are hitting someone for a good reason or bad. I'm inclined to regard all such raids as bad.

As a side note, the local police are pretty well behaved.

You never know what you will really do until a fan delivers the stinky stuff to your face, though.

Dee, look up "fourth generation war". I have a folder in my other hard drive full of the sort of thing the feds are recommending for "keeping the peace". It sounds oddly like the sort of thing the Nazis and other tyrannical governments did to "keep the peace". Better search and download fast, I doubt it will remain publicly available for long.

Dee · « **Reply #73 on:** May 03, 2009, 01:47:35 PM »

briarpatch, points to ponder no doubt, and much truth. Many no doubt however, died fighting, and in a spiritual sense, found their freedom, while dying for it.
It will, in the end, depend on whether life, or dignity (freedom) is more valuable to the individual. Some will bitterly hold on to freedom, and some will whimper at death, much as they did in their captive life.
In my past and now retired career of 20 years, I stood alongside men whom would fight for what was right, regardless of the cost, and watched others unsuccessfully want to be among those men, without the cost. And I also saw men give up without so much as a small struggle.
I never tried to make a warrior out of someone that was not. These men came and went in my career many times. I found that they either were, or were not, long before they came on the force. They had to want it inside, bad enough to sacrifice. Most don't.
I not too long ago, had a conversation with a retired business man in our church. The conversation turned to standing up for what was right. This man, whom is much liked in our church, informed me that he had never been in a fight in his almost 70 years of life. He stated that he had never stood up for anything nor anyone, nor would he, and his goal was to have everyone like him.
I am 6'3" and weigh about 245. This man is about 4" taller and 40lbs heavier but, has never, nor will ever fight for ANYTHING, or anyone.
I told this man, that I would, and have in the past, assisted a stranger in trouble, regardless of the odds. He told me that he knew that about me when he met me, and had heard it as well. I truly don't understand this mentality.
What is life, without freedom, and at what point does one tell the other, I will not take any more of this. I have paid the price for standing up for what was right more than once in the politics of L.E., and looking back, even with the costs, it was worth it. It's not for the respect of others, as much as the personal dignity and "self respect".
If something is "hidden" it is not only out of the reach of the confiscator, but also the confiscatee. So what good is it?
How is there a difference in fighting and dying for your rights in a group of like minded men, than alone on your front porch? Is one more comfortable dying in a crowd?

Dee · « **Reply #74 on:** May 03, 2009, 01:51:14 PM »

Chilachuck, I am max attention to what you refer to. If one pays attention it has been in the works BEFORE, my retirement. Ignorance is easily led, with a little free money and free, yet fun equipment.

Mikey · « **Reply #75 on:** May 03, 2009, 02:12:08 PM »

It's not just the 2nd Amendment, it is the entire Constitution. Look at the structure of this document and how it has stood for more than two centuries. The most important right is our First Amendment freedom of speech; this is supported by our 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms. The 2nd Amendment thereafter provides umbrella protection for all the following Amendments by the very structure of the Constitution.

If the right to keep and bear arms is denied there is nothing to defend the Constitution.

Would I fight for my freedoms? Yes!

Do you wait for them to come to you? No!

jmtcw.

splicer · « **Reply #76 on:** May 03, 2009, 02:27:53 PM »

I have two daughters,I would rather fight against tyranny than have them live their whole lives in it.If they take our guns then they will take it all.The constitution will mean nothing.Between my dad and brothers we have almost 60 years of military service,If I didnt fight I feel that I would have let down every vet who ever served,including the ones who gave all.All so I could have freedom.

DDZ · « **Reply #77 on:** May 03, 2009, 02:38:22 PM »

Quote from: briarpatch on May 03, 2009, 01:06:07 PM

In that long list of Countries that lost their guns and resulted in the deaths of 56,000,000. You would have found millions of patriots. What happened that they did not fight? Or did they fight?
Corrupt men with authority have ways of using men and taking what they want when they want it. They have models that have proven successful at removing the freedoms of men for thousands of years.
These models start with laws that are backed by a weak segment of society. Welfare, law enforcement, liberals, ignorant and don’t care people. When they have these people in their fold they have a majority and the law is passed.
For example we are waiting with held breath for the law that will remove all assault weapons.
When it comes they will be turned in without a fuss because it is the law caring the weight of the government. If you are found with one you will go to jail for…. (Time)
The laws will get more restrictive and the guns fewer until it is over.
Want be the first time, want be the last time. History will record we were no different than any other.
Look at the laws we have allowed and the restrictions we now have. They are not worried they got obama elected did they not?

I don't recall any of the other countries, where citizens were exterminated, that had a constitution written by God inspired men.

I find it hard to believe that our brothers in the military would fight citizens, fighting for thier constitutional right. We do have a law against government taking our arms its called the 2nd admendment to the constitution. This admendment was added to protect citizens against a tyrannical government.

We can all just lay down and say here do what you want with us, or we can all unite. United we stand, divided we fall. Its your choice.

Tommyt · « **Reply #78 on:** May 03, 2009, 02:44:16 PM »

For those who say I Have a Wife So NO

When they're done taking your Guns They Take your Wife
What you gunna do throw a stick at um

This post started as "Would you fight and die for your gun rights? "

Read that a couple time and remember its a "WHAT IF QUESTION" for crying out loud

Tommyt · « **Reply #79 on:** May 03, 2009, 02:52:12 PM »

ooooooooooooooooooops

I doubled posted

Brett · « **Reply #80 on:** May 03, 2009, 02:53:31 PM »

Quote from: rak55 on May 03, 2009, 10:15:54 AM

they don't need to collect the guns all they gotta do is wait for the ammo to run out.

Yup, they are going to let us keep all the guns we want, stack um to the rafters if you'd like. But it will be next to impossible to get ammo for them. I predict that ammo will become the next hot commodity on the black market. Stock up while you can and some day soon you could be very rich.

teamnelson · « **Reply #81 on:** May 03, 2009, 02:56:10 PM »

I paraphrase ... Democracy is sheep and wolves voting on what's for dinner. Works great when the sheep outnumber the wolves. To carry it further, the sheep have voted to give the choice to the wolves. I hope there are a few other sheepdogs out there to help preserve the flock from the consequences of their choice.

torpedoman · « **Reply #82 on:** May 03, 2009, 03:18:14 PM »

no use standing your ground at your home and getting killed or getting your family killed ,one at a time and thats the way it would go down, hide a few real good long range weapons and ammo, organize and go after the politicans who passed the law you have to kill the snake by cutting off its head. As a wise indian one said" it is better to run away and live to fight another day." Look at the reason they give for us being in iraq and afaganistan "if we dont fight them over there then we'll have to fight them here, nobody wants a war in their front yard.

torpedoman · « **Reply #83 on:** May 03, 2009, 03:32:18 PM »

As for the people who said " I have to think of my Wife, Family, Children so i can't do anything but give up all my guns. You may want to try to imaging what a german jew who thought that while giving up his guns and what his thoughts were when he watched his family go into a gas chamber or be machined gunned into a trench. You can change the german jew to to any of the disarmed populations that were rounded up and killed. The christains in africa, the population of cambodia, the poles in russian occupied poland, the list goes on and on,

Swampman · « **Reply #84 on:** May 03, 2009, 03:36:52 PM »

We are a long ways from that. We are not a long ways from losing the 2nd Ammendment.

briarpatch · « **Reply #85 on:** May 03, 2009, 04:10:09 PM »

[I don't recall any of the other countries, where citizens were exterminated, that had a constitution written by God inspired men. [/color]
When God has inspired men in government it has come with a caveat (As long as you do what he says and know that he is God)
We see the priciples of Christian worship, upon which this country was founded being trashed and replaced by who knows what. The very fabric of family unity rent as rotten cloth, Perversion the norm, violence a way of life for many, drugs alcohol, and sin cutting the ankorage out from under our youth in a way never before seen except in those civilizations that have fallen and are now history.
Judah received much from inspired men. Where is she now?
We can all just lay down and say here do what you want with us, or we can all unite. United we stand, divided we fall. Its your choice[/color]We would like to think that all on this forum were of like mind. I would say most are but if you were to run a pole of who voted for obama my guess is you would be suprised by the number.
We are divided in many different ways.
I dont doubt thast many would fignt for what they believe in. You are good men but if we wait until we see the man come it is too late. As I have said before the snake is in the house.

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Oldshooter · « **Reply #86 on:** May 03, 2009, 04:47:14 PM »

Briarpatch, you trying to blind an old man! loose the yellow Pard!

Edited to say; Thanks Pardner!

rockbilly · « **Reply #87 on:** May 03, 2009, 04:51:15 PM »

It is damn strange that people say they will put their life on the line for their guns but that same individual won't get off his fatt butt and go to the polls. How many of the people that are currently squaking about the possibility of our guns being taken refused to go vote?

Keep this in mind, if we do loose our guns it did not come as a result of this election, it came after many years with our heads in the sand.

I spent 49 years of my life protecting the rights of the American people, at my current age I know my days are numbered but I will continue to fight gun control and give mine up only when my cold dead hand are pryed off them.

ironglow · « **Reply #88 on:** May 03, 2009, 05:04:29 PM »

Yup! That yellow was tough...try red or blue..

  When they start seizing arms, the word will get out..so shortly thereafter they won't be able to find more than one or two arms at anyone's house.
  Remember, when the boys of George III moved toward Lexington to seize the guns & gunpowder..they didn't find them..following rumors, they went on to Concord searching for them..they never found them, but they did find something else.

   That was the day the two Johns..Adams & Hancock told the king's officers, "We will have no sovereign but God and no king but Jesus"...

   http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/rkba/no_king.htm

Yankee1 · « **Reply #89 on:** May 03, 2009, 05:42:06 PM »

My family came here in 1635. So we have been through this before. No question about it. If you come to take my or my families liberty away be prepared for much trouble. Like has been said before “Best to cut the head off the snake” There are many ways to fight a battle.
You can deprive him movement. You can deprive him funds to operate.
Such as defeating The Federal Reserve System. You can shut down his power sources. Many of us have soldiered before. Its not new to us.
Of course the best way to do it is to defeat them at the polls. The politicians are not running this country. It is being run by the international bankers.
Take away the Federal Reserve System and you take away their ability to use our own money against us. They don’t care what political party is in office.
They control both. This country is a Constitutional Democratic Republic and as such the people in office are sworn to uphold the constitution.
They are not upholding their oaths and should be told that they will not get any contributions or votes until they honor their oaths. The constitution protects the people and we must insist that they obey it. Furthermore
If the law is not constitutional its illegal. So if they order us in violation of the second amendment to turn in our guns. Its illegal for them to do so. It violates the second amendment. I could continue on this subject but I believe you understand what I’ve said.
Yankee1
God Bless us all

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