yea i'm sure glad i got on this forum before deciding on my next gun purchase, i went to the shop they had a stainless taurus 85ul. it was priced good at $330 otd, but after readind the reviews here i decided the only way i would buy it was to make it understood, if the gun was bad that i get a refund. well it was bad the cylinder would bind at least once if not twice a cylinder, i returned it the shop, owner refunded my money. i then waited a week and added a little more money, $100 to be honest and got me a sp101. i am very happy, gun is smooth, and no trouble so far, from what i've heard the sp101's don't break very often. i have since traded my two charters for another sp101, the charters were good guns, way above taurus i think, exspecialy customer service.