just me again......Quicksdraw you are right to a point....it seems now I read more and more about 2" groups being fine for hunting.....that may be but it does something to your head, if you can keep your hunting rifle under an inch at 100...I know personally if I cant keep an inch or better after playing with it and doing everything I can think of, it goes down the road....I am new to TC's only about a year, and yes would like to try a custom, just for kicks....like you I feel most of the factory barrels are much better now than maybe they were a few years ago...I know the cal 223 had a really bad rep a few years back....but as I said I had a 26" 223 heavy barrel, and now I have a 24" heavy from the TC Custom Shop...they both shot fine......still to me it all comes down to a small group...if I can do that with my rifle, my confidense is much better on a 300yard shot...hahha...guess I should get off the soap box before people dont stop by where I am...TNSCOOTER just ignore most of what you hear and enjoy...only thing I like better than buying new stuff, is helping you spend your money....hahaha....WW1