Author Topic: remington vs savage (Read 7740 times)

rem700-3 · « **Reply #60 on:** May 25, 2008, 04:21:21 PM »

My first thought would be learn to hold steady, practice a little more and focus on good shooting form or you could find a better rifle or a round that performs a little better in the one you have.........I can't say all 700 rems will shoot the groups mine does as I have several others that wont including one that I have almost $9000.00 in but please if you want to be negative carry on or pm me with contact info and I will try to give you some advise to help you improve youre performance or hell put a little skin in the game and I will show you pro. please If you feel the need to call me a liar make sure you know what the hell you are talking about

billy_56081 · « **Reply #61 on:** May 25, 2008, 04:39:28 PM »

WOW that sounds like an incredible rifle. Have you used it in any competitions? It sounds like you have a winner there. You should be able to win alot of money wit that rifle. I have a friend that has held the 1000 yard bench rest world record and he would be interested in your rifle, and some shooting tips.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #62 on:** May 25, 2008, 04:50:28 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on May 25, 2008, 04:39:28 PM

WOW that sounds like an incredible rifle. Have you used it in any competitions? It sounds like you have a winner there. You should be able to win alot of money wit that rifle. I have a friend that has held the 1000 yard bench rest world record and he would be interested in your rifle, and some shooting tips.

I will go one better. If you were to meet me at the range I belong to here in Pa. I will put my Remington 700 SPS Varmint 243 against that 22-250. Winner takes all. If you beat me at 300 yards for group size I will give you my rifle. If I beat you then you give me your tack driving 22-250. Let me know. I have been thinking of getting a 22-250. Dale

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #63 on:** May 25, 2008, 05:00:29 PM »

Just so you know I am not kidding. Here is a target I shot at 300 yards with my rifle. It is not a one hole group by any means but it does measure at 7/8". This should make you want to take the challenge. Dale

rem700-3 · « **Reply #64 on:** May 26, 2008, 02:31:23 AM »

Billy, I doubt that you re friend would be interested in my 22-250 in a 1000 yard shooter 55 gr bullets don't hold very good groups at long ranges as any second grader knows it shoots way above par but its not magic and Ive not implied that it is, Dale I will be in Winchester Va in September and I Just happen to Know of a great range there that would be well beyond half way and then some for me. don't forget the looser would need to pay shipping to an ffl.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #65 on:** May 26, 2008, 02:38:17 AM »

You have seen one of my 300 yard targets. Would you please post one of those one hole targets you have shot at 300 yards. Dale

rem700-3 · « **Reply #66 on:** May 26, 2008, 07:15:00 AM »

I'm not sure what showing a pic would prove but after my next trip to the range I will post a pic

Mckie Hollow · « **Reply #67 on:** May 26, 2008, 07:58:07 AM »

This is getting Interesting! I want to know Who ends up with that 22-250. Anyways, just got back from Shooting. The 700- 280, has shot 3/8" before, but Today would only do 1-1/4" groups. Didn't bother Me a bit, Done enough shooting to know that this happens, Shot a 1 hole group one time back in '74, with My 700-300mag., Had to get a Bench Rest Guy to verify the Group. Haven't done it since, but that gun is capable of clover leafing 3, and the other 2 - not too far away. I'll be waiting to see Who ends up with The 22-250!!!!

billy_56081 · « **Reply #68 on:** May 26, 2008, 08:07:06 AM »

Quote from: rem700-3 on May 24, 2008, 01:17:00 PM

I not knocking the savage Ive never owned one, of the 2 Ive shot 1 shot very well (under half inch at 100 yards) but it had been tuned extensively and was very sensitive about the loads you put in it. My 700 22-250 shoots 1 hole at 300 yards every time with the two rounds it likes(and you dont need waders,just 3 rounds 300 yards and a target).

My friend Richard does not only shoot 1000 yard bench rest he is an all around bench rest shooter. He would be interested in learning how to shoot one hole groups every time. No matter what the range.

sniperVLS · « **Reply #69 on:** May 26, 2008, 03:35:55 PM »

Me thinks someones been using the wrong kind of soap....

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #70 on:** May 26, 2008, 03:44:06 PM »

Quote from: rem700-3 on May 26, 2008, 07:15:00 AM

I'm not sure what showing a pic would prove but after my next trip to the range I will post a pic

Do us all a favor though. Shoot the target from the back of it so the powder burns don't show. Dale

rem700-3 · « **Reply #71 on:** May 26, 2008, 05:13:19 PM »

I wont bicker any more I know the results it can achieve I have told you where I will be and when. I have added much money to my income with it so you wont be the first. a wise man once told me (after much expense to me) "just because you cant dont dont mean it cant be done" . I am not trying to tell anyone I have the greatest gun known to man many people never know the potential of the rifles they own and I not selling myself as the worlds greatest marksman because I wont be the one shooting this rifle when dale gives away his 243 but if he is up to it I will be there to say " just because you cant do it dont mean it cant be done". dale just pm me if you want to see for yourself no harm if you dont I will be in Va either way at a private shoot with the rifle and by the way much more than a .243 or $10,000 dollars change hands there and the other shoots we do. Billy, I have almost $30,000 dollars in this rifle(what it cost me to find out what it is capable of and the price of purchase) but everything is for sale (except my wife you would need to take up payments on that) and I probably misspoke by saying EVERY time things can happen maybe I should say "on average" or VERY,VERY consistantly either way this rifle is hard to beat at 300 yards in a 3 shot group THIS IS MY LAST POST ON THIS SUBJECT I WILL LET DALE TELL YOU THE OUTCOME

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #72 on:** May 26, 2008, 05:30:41 PM »

May 20th

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I have a first year production (1965) heavy barrel 22-250 straight out of the box (never been modified in any way period) I will go 3 shot groups with anyone any gun you name the price per group and the distance, factory ammo.

MAY 24th

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My 700 22-250 shoots 1 hole at 300 yards every time with the two rounds it likes(and you dont need waders,just 3 rounds 300 yards and a target).

Today

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Billy, I have almost $30,000 dollars in this rifle(what it cost me to find out what it is capable of and the price of purchase)

WHICH IS IT?

As I read things Ayou have a bone stock remington that cost you 30,000 and B YOU can't shoot it that well

and C you've kept NO records of what your 30,000 baby has and can do

It just gets better and better. I cannot what to see where we go from here.

BTW if you're only shooting 3 shot groups then you have no Idea of what your rifle is capable of. 3 shot groups are almost meaningless. Step up to 5 shot groups and get back to us.

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rifle is hard to beat at 300 yards in a 3 shot group

LOL that's like saying you're the smartest kid in special ed class

Again step up to at least 5 shot groups like everyone else serious about accuracy

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #73 on:** May 27, 2008, 03:57:03 AM »

3 shot groups much cheaper and you don t get the barrel hot..
im sure many think as you do..not me for reasons stated.

Sitting Duck · « **Reply #74 on:** May 27, 2008, 07:18:07 AM »

The people who insist on five shot groups either don't own sporter barrels or have plenty of time to spend waiting on their next shot. A good nose picking could take that long I guess.

A five or ten shot group only tells me that your barrel doesn't wander as much as mine when it gets hot. Or vice versa. Big deal! For shooting critters or paper for recreation, three shot groups tell enough of the story. IMO.

Competition shooting would be another story. For the majority, on GBO, I think a three shot group tells us as much about the gun, ammo, and shooter as we need to know.

Just my opinion. I gotta go practice that nose picking thing in case I'm forced into five shot groups for credibility purposes.

As far as the original topic goes, I don't care what you shoot. A Remington or Savage. At the range I talk to everyone regardless of their preferences. I enjoy the camaraderie. I've seen great shooting from both brands. I have to chuckle at topics such as this. The biggest difference between the two brands is that nose picker sitting behind the rifle. That's my opinion based on my observations.

Shoot 'em if you got 'em. Borrow one if you don't!

sniperVLS · « **Reply #75 on:** May 27, 2008, 08:50:43 AM »

I must be really stupid because I shoot 3, sometimes 1, sometimes 2

It depends on what needs to be done at the range and how much time is available. Example...the following pic shows the 1st group of 3 at 200 yds, adjusted accordingly to see if the scope tracked true, shot a single round, still left but where I expected it to go, moved the turrets again, fired 2, was thrilled and stopped and commenced exploding gallon milk containers. It was 20 degrees out so slow and steady shooting was out of the question, my fingers don't like being numb.

teddy12b · « **Reply #76 on:** May 27, 2008, 09:14:49 AM »

Back in 2002 I bought a new Remington BDL in 300RUM. At the time the Remington just felt better in my hands that a Savage did. I never got that rifle to shoot anywhere near a 1” group even using a lead sled and leupold scope.

A year later I bought a savage 210F 12 gauge slug gun for deer hunting and when it outshot my BDL in 300RUM I sold the Remington. That was the last Remington rifle I owned. Since then I’ve been buying Savage rifles and haven’t been disappointed.

I look at it this way:

Remington:
   Better resale
   Usually better looking stocks
   SPS models some with a nice recoil pad

Savage:
   Possibly better accuracy (close enough that it doesn’t matter to me anyway).
   Less Expensive, they aren’t cheap anymore they’re less expensive.
   The accu-trigger is much better than the Rem Factory & X-mark (I’ve held one right after the other and played          with both & the savage was lighter.

I’ve got a savage 110FP in 30-06 that I’ve hit targets with at 1000 yards and all I ever did was switch the stock, so yeah I’m a big fan of the Savage rifles.

I’ve also been keeping my eyes on the Remington 700 SPS Tactical 20” 308 rifles in hogue stocks. Those just look like a nice handy & accurate rifle to take into the woods or the range. My Remington BDL left my with bitter feelings, but it’s been long enough I would buy another Remington.

Having said all that stuff both companies make fine rifles. You may get a lemon of one kind and hate it forever like some, or you may get a outstanding version of another kind and love those for the rest of your days. I don't think shooting three or five shot groups makes much difference and I don't feel like taking a picture of every group I've ever shot. If you've seen one good group you've seen them all, I'll take your word for it.

Go with whatever makes you happy and tell us how it shoots.

gstewart44 · « **Reply #77 on:** May 28, 2008, 04:39:54 AM »

The most accurate rifle I have ever owned was a Savage 110"package" that I bought from Wallyworld almost 20years ago. Caliber was .270, and with factory 130 gr bullets would shoot consistent 1/2" 3 shot groups all day. I hunted with it for ten years until it was stolen. I went and bought another but I was very disappointed as I could only get 1 3/4" at best with any ammo, and much larger groups with most ammo.

The second Savage was traded (with $$) for a Remmy 700 in .270. My best group with this has been .78" and it averages about 1.2".

I don't routinely target shoot, just hunt year-round for hogs and varmints. I have had excellent and poor results with Savage and excellent results with Remington. If there is any way you can shoot before you buy then try it.

I also own a Remington 760 carbine in 3006 that is my go to gun on most hunts. It is not quite as accurate as the 700 but is handier for me when hog hunting.

My son has a Savage bolt in .17 HMR that makes one little ragged hole if the wind isn't blowing.......

teddy12b · « **Reply #78 on:** May 28, 2008, 04:50:54 AM »

I think gstewart44 makes a great point. If you have a chance to fire any gun before buying it by all means go for it. I have never had that opportunity but if I did I would take full advantage of it.

I also forgot to mention in my last post that I also really like the new remington 750 in 30-06. I shouldered that rifle a couple times and it's scary how well it fits me. It was calling my name but I couldn't do it that day, maybe some other day.........

NONYA · « **Reply #79 on:** May 28, 2008, 02:55:20 PM »

$30,000

? WOW YOU GOT RIPPED!

jhm · « **Reply #80 on:** May 29, 2008, 02:54:12 AM »

Every gun I have ever sold went with a gurantee when they asked if it was SIGHTED IN, ( I would tell them it is capable of 1 hole groups, meaning 1 shot 1 hole!! Period ) JIM

beemanbeme · « **Reply #81 on:** May 29, 2008, 05:48:22 PM »

$30,000 and you can't shoot it but you can tell everybody else how to shoot. That don't add up. Sounds like a blue gosling to me. I'd call foul if I was Dale. Anyway, I'd like to see one of them 5 shot, one hole 300 yard groups, I don't care who shot it. How about a picture of the rifle.

Three shot groups are for shooters with short attention spans.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #82 on:** May 29, 2008, 06:01:24 PM »

To be honest I am having a little trouble getting my rifle back together and shooting they it always has. I am sure I will get it shooting just as well soon enough. Seeing as I believe half of what I read I am pretty happy right now because my rifle should be worth about $15,000.00 when it get it back to shooting the way I know it can. Dale

teddy12b · « **Reply #83 on:** May 30, 2008, 01:47:32 AM »

Dale,
What kind of scope do you have on your 243 in the picture?

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #84 on:** May 30, 2008, 01:53:23 AM »

That would be a Mueller 8.5x25x44. Dale

NAM70 · « **Reply #85 on:** May 31, 2008, 10:40:41 AM »

I respect the accuracy of both guns. I have 2 700's now and am about ready to get another one-a 700 VTR. Love at first sight on that one

I like the looks of the 700's and the fit and feel-almost as tho they were made just for me. Pick up and handle each rifle and make your decision from there. You probably can't go wrong with either rifle. Dave

billy_56081 · « **Reply #86 on:** May 31, 2008, 11:06:55 AM »

I have no problem believing that you have an exceptionally accurate rifle there REM700-3. I just don't believe anyone who says they can shoot one hole 3 or 5 shot groups EVERY time. We are all human here and Bob the Nailer while an interesting character, was fiction. (I have to say, Point of Impact, is the best book I have ever read.)

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #87 on:** June 01, 2008, 09:21:02 AM »

i guess you win a little change with it huh..

John R. · « **Reply #88 on:** June 02, 2008, 10:28:19 AM »

Billy, if you liked Point of Impact, you need to read the other 2 books in the series. (Black Light and Time to Hunt) They are excellent books.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #89 on:** June 02, 2008, 10:49:09 AM »

Quote from: John R. on June 02, 2008, 10:28:19 AM

Billy, if you liked Point of Impact, you need to read the other 2 books in the series. (Black Light and Time to Hunt) They are excellent books.

I like to read. Could one of you give me a short run down on the book Point of impact? Thanks Dale