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Offline kevin.303

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« on: June 19, 2003, 07:38:50 AM »
i.m interested in getting a .410 scattergun to keep in my camper and was interested in this latest offer by winchester. what's the general opinion on it? all i own is bolt guns but deep down i'm a lever gun fanatic.
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2003, 08:41:55 AM »
How do, Kevin!

I saw the favorable review in the American Rifleman a couple months ago about the new Winchester 94-410 lever action shotgun.

I must admit, the first question is "WHY?"  The only advantage I can think of for a .410 caliber shotgun is that it's relatively quiet, low recoil, and good for new or young shooters.  As a casual pot-shooting gun, it's great.  The .410 has long been classed as either a beginners' or an experts' gun.

Other than that, the disadvantages are many:  very limited range, expensive shells, limited wing-shooting range, and even  with the 1/2 oz slugs, very limited power for use against dangerous targets.  A 12, 20, or 16 would be better.

On the plus side, I must admit that it's a CUTE item for the lever action fan.  It's real value is probably in CAS, where only lever action ror double shotguns are allowed.
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2003, 11:49:58 AM »
If you like lever actions and you need shot loads, why not a Win m-94 Trapper (16" barrel) in .44 Magnum using shot loads.  I've no experience with  .44 Mag  rounds with shot charges, but I've seen them  and their components advertised and apparently you can  handload them.  The .44 magnum is  a larger bore than the .410 bore shotgun and, as I understand it, loaded to higher pressures.  It would be interesting to "pattern" .44 mag shot loads and 410 bore shotgun loads and to compare the results.  

The .44 Mag with shot loads might be equally as good as the .410 bore shotgun for your purposes and would have the added versatility of being able to use standard .44 Magnum and .44 Special loads as well.

Just an idea!  

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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2003, 12:38:06 PM »
I know a couple of guys that have them and they love them.  KN
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2003, 03:23:21 PM »
I am not sure but I would think the .410 would come as a smooth bore and the .44 mag rifle of course has rifleing in the barrel which makes the shot pattern look like a donut. so I would think the .410 would have a much better pattern. that being said I have had pretty good luck loading my own shotshells for my 444,  I don't think I'll take it out and try it on clay pigeons but it works well out to 20 or 30 feet or so.
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2003, 03:24:21 PM »
from my experience with shotshells in pistol calibers (357,44,45) they are good for little other than snakes at real close ranges.  the 410 shot charge will blow the doors off of a 44 mag shot charge.
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2003, 05:43:13 PM »
Yes indeed. I forgot about the fact that the .44 Magnum has a  rifled rather than a smoot bore and  did not consider the effect on patterns.

So much for my career as a firearms designer!
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2003, 06:02:33 PM »
In response to the Win. 94, Marlin had announced a .410 bore lever action.
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2003, 12:25:23 AM »
Expensive little toy isn't it?
We used to hunt grouse with the 410 single shot when we were kids, took a couple of snowshoe rabbits too. Tried it for ducks, but that was a disaster. Worked well on the grouse, and short range rabbits though. (I used #4's for everything!)

Like said above, the shooting is expensive there are few if any cheap brands.
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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2003, 04:51:57 PM »
I have a Winchester 9410. It is the "traditional" model with 24" and a fixed cyl bore. There are newer options with shorter barrels and with or without adjustable chokes. I love mine, though I must admit I am biased and love all lever action rifles. For me it was not "why" but "why not". At an indoor range, at 60 feet, the 3 "000" bucks were usually hitting within about a 6" circle. I mention this because of the new Winchester "000" buck shells which leave the barrel at 1300 fps generate the same ME as the typical factory loaded 44 mag revolver, taking it out of the toy category some put it in. The #6 shot were pretty much all staying within a standard police paper human target. The action was no different than my 30-30 and performed with no problems.
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2003, 02:49:07 PM »
With the cyl bore, it should shoot standard slugs well
My old 410 had a full choke. It was real easy to miss up close, but wasn't bad at all out about 20 yards.
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2003, 04:09:10 PM »
Just as a clarification: this shotgun is not legal for SASS competition at this time.  Has to be 20 ga or better.
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2003, 05:23:15 AM »
i just want to use it for prairie chickens and grouse when campin' so i don't have to haul so much food. as to the trapper model, aside from being rifled my class of firearms licensce prohibits centerfire weapons with a barell shorter then 18 inches. Thank you liberal party of Canada :evil:
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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2003, 06:50:33 AM »
I have heard some negative comments about the patterns in the guns with the cylinder bore. As I understand the installation of choke tubes greatly improves the effectiveness of this gun. Unfortunatly I have no information on who does this work.
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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2003, 01:08:39 PM »
Kevin
Check the regs. You may have an out.
1, it's a lever gun not a semi, and 2 it's not modified, it's in it's original factory configuration.
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