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Best survival or EOTW book?
« on: October 06, 2007, 08:02:06 PM »
This is a little off the subject of actual survival skills, I hope you guys don't mind. What is the best book you have read, whether fiction or non-fiction, dealing with survival skills, or an EOTW type situation?

For a good fiction EOTW type book, I would pick "The Road" by Cormac McCarthy, even though Oprah put it on her book list. That book really made me get busy putting an emergency preparedness kit together. For non-fiction, I recently read "Between A Rock And A Hard Place" by Aron Ralston, which reinforced for me why I never head into the woods without adequate supplies to stay at least overnight.
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Re: Best survival or EOTW book?
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2007, 11:45:06 AM »
pab1, I just got through reading "The Road" by Cormac McCarthy and it's filled with a lot of survival info. I can say, once I started reading, I couldn't put it down until I finished. And it will sure get you to thinking about having a cache stored somewhere for when the SHTF. I am just getting started on the other book "Between a Rock and  a Hard Place" now.
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Re: Best survival or EOTW book?
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2007, 05:42:04 PM »
Almtnman, have you read up on mountain men like John Colter or Hugh Glass? They both have amazing survival stories! "The Road" was the book that really made me get in gear and start working on a disaster kit and food supply. "Between A Rock and A Hard Place" reinforces to me why I never head out without some emergency gear.
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2007, 01:16:59 AM »
I haven't read anything about either of those two, but will see what i can find about them.
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Re: Best survival or EOTW book?
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2007, 03:03:59 AM »
I think the "Bible" for the technical type of information is John Weisman's 560 page book, "The SAS Survival Handbook", which is divided up into sections on survival by area and climate, and ways to hunt, find food, etc. 

An additional book worth reading (and hard to put down) is Dr. Kenneth Kamler's "Surviving the Extremes".  This is by a doctor who routinely went on "adventures", and ended up being THE doctor that big expeditions called to take along for emergency help.  Accordingly, he learned what he absolutely HAD to have, what was most likely to occur, and how resilient the human body and spirit are.  There are amazing, heartening stories in here that can give you the willpower to keep going when things are bad. 

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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2007, 04:48:57 AM »
I have "Surviving the Extremes", but I have not read it yet. I will have to bump it up on the priority list. I will have to pick up Weisman's book too.
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2007, 09:06:35 AM »
I think the "Bible" for the technical type of information is John Weisman's 560 page book, "The SAS Survival Handbook", which is divided up into sections on survival by area and climate, and ways to hunt, find food, etc. 

An additional book worth reading (and hard to put down) is Dr. Kenneth Kamler's "Surviving the Extremes".  This is by a doctor who routinely went on "adventures", and ended up being THE doctor that big expeditions called to take along for emergency help.  Accordingly, he learned what he absolutely HAD to have, what was most likely to occur, and how resilient the human body and spirit are.  There are amazing, heartening stories in here that can give you the willpower to keep going when things are bad. 

Brock, you need to read the book that was mentioned earlier, "The Road" as it's about a time in the future that there won't be anything to hunt or fish for and is about as extreme as it can get on survival. It will sure make you want to have a cache stored somewhere.
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Re: Best survival or EOTW book?
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2007, 06:32:54 AM »
Almtnman, I'm glad you liked "The Road"! Several people have borrowed my copy now. They either loved it and could not put it down, or it scared them and they couldn't finish it.
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Re: Best survival or EOTW book?
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2007, 07:14:56 AM »
Thanks, I did put that book on my list as a result of reading this.

Of course, too much of this topic can be depressing, so it's occasionally fun to focus on the "off-beat" observations about doomsday scenarios. 

For instance, the two things likely to survive nuclear holocaust?  Twinkies and cockroaches. 

Plan accordingly.

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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2007, 11:04:55 AM »
I have read The Road and Surviving the Extreams.  The Road is a post apocolypic book not the type I usually read, very haunting, I could not put it down.  The Surviving the Extreams book is more in line with what I might regularly read.  Good info one can gleen from each book  but when are you really headed to Mt Everest or the Deep Jungle? and hopefully the end of the world will not be in your lifetime.   But if it does you may want to look at these resources:
Take a look at Ron Hood's DVD at HoodsWoods  or Christopher Nyerges  book How to Survive Anywhere.  Lots of other sources out there too. 

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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2007, 03:58:06 AM »
Patriots: Surviving the Coming Collapse is a very good book.  It is very scary to think about how easily a situation like that could happen today.  I will be looking for the other books that were listed thanks.  I also have the SAS Survival Manual, it is very useful.

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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2008, 08:27:10 AM »
I read "The Road" after reading about it here.

Someone get that author a supply of quotation marks, eh?

Clearly, the protagonist became obsessed with just traveling, thus he left the cellar instead of consuming the supplies there. An obsession like that can keep someone going when they are too brainless from exhaustion, hunger, fear, etc to be able to think. It can also keep you from adapting to new conditions.

He had some basic skills that allowed him to gather basic materials and put together a travel kit after they lost everything, very good. He did not put together other skills that would have allowed them to travel in greater comfort, like sewing clothing from available materials, or making shoes. So far as I can see, he did not try to make or find a cart with larger wheels, it sounded like he was using grocery carts with their small, stock wheels. He waited until something was worn out or broken before searching for or cobbling together a replacement, he should have been improving their kit every night.

He did not seem to be all that eager to find ammo or a better firearm.

Their survival was more a testimony to pure, gut level determination and endurance, not skills or planning. That lack of skills and planning is what killed him in the end.

About the book:

The US east of the Appalachians scorched and all that dust in the air, sounds like a blast wave from an meteor strike, similar to the dinosaur killer. The lack of a tsunami in the coastal area hit by the blast wave indicates a land strike. That does not leave many possible places for the strike, but it is not impossible.

Not enough light for plants to grow but the temperature was warm enough for snow to melt? Nope. Should have been an ice age.

The dust thrown up should have mostly settled by the time of the book, unless the speculation that such a strike would set off an ooze type volcano eruption on the opposite side of the planet because of the crust being broken there is correct. The meteor would have had to hit water as there are very few places on earth today where land is opposite land. The meteor probably hit land, so the volcano would be underwater, and the water would moderate the atmospheric effects.

Roving slaver/cannibal gangs that long after the event? (The boy was born after the event, and was old enough to keep asking questions, even though they had been walking all day. Maybe 5 yrs old?)

The comments about rats needing humans to keep the cities warm in order for them to survive is false; rats are infesting parts of the Aleutian Islands and wiping out the birds nesting there, without central heating. Rats are also know to infest commercial freezers, including the fish freezers that are supposed to be kept at -40F.

Maybe I'll reread the book, maybe not. The "artistic choice" to "Make a Statement" by refusing to use quote marks is highly offensive and distracting.

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Re: Best survival or EOTW book?
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2008, 12:36:04 AM »
When All Hell Breaks Loose by Cody Lundin . is a pretty good EOTW survival book.

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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2008, 11:12:55 AM »
This is a very controversial concept for me.  On the one hand is the limited time survival before assistance as compared to life time survival from catastrophe.  They are extremely separate and distinct techniques for survival.  Survival for the short term is definitely be prepared for the worst scenario imagined before outside assistance or aid can be rendered.  The other techinique involves much more preparation, thinking, and action.  Many of the survival situations will involve others who will turn criminal or violent.  Other situations will be more neighborly.  The one book for required reading to our home schooled children was "Lucifers Hammer".  The jist of the novel was the outcome, cause and effect of a large meteorite hitting earth with the subsequent social, political, and societal changes necessary for isolated areas to survive.  This was on New York Times best selling list for months quite a few years ago.  The book doesn't describe survival techniques so much, as to indicate the mass thinking of the event with associated consequences.  This would have a very serious bearing on any catastrophic survival attempt, if not taken into account.  Short term survival techniques have been written by many people, but one could still take a good lesson from the Boy Scout Handbook and Fieldbook.  These are written to cover most areas of the US for simple survival techniques.  One of the best concepts from these books is "Be Prepared".  It still is a good motto for every day life and the difference between life and death in a survival mode.  Those can laugh if they want, but others who have practiced this code can relate time and again the successes.  I doubt if many others following a different code can say this, as most are not around anymore. 
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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2008, 12:23:51 AM »
I'm going to have to find a copy of "The Road" and make myself familiar with it.

Before logging into this thread I thought the author was asking for a survival-book reference - which I think there are several good ones that have been listed.

I have my father's book he used as a naval aviator student.  I'm sure many here know that the Navy and other military branches require their pilot-cadets to learn BASIC SURVIVAL before more advanced classes are also required later in their training (SERES school is one example).

Someone also mentioned the different Boy Scout books that describe various skills and how-to's.

I like a fellow named "Wiseman", who's written several good outdoor survival books that are directed at North America.  This fellow was a former British SAS type (their special forces), and they spend quite a bit of time training in Canada.

But I'll definitely be looking at many of the titles listed here by others I wasn't previously aware of.

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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2008, 12:05:54 PM »
I'm a fan of EOTW novels. Some are just entertaining others have some useful tidbits and some combine the two.

"The Road" is on my wish list but I haven't read it yet.

I just finished reading "Earth Abides" by George Stewart. I was less thrilled by it. The survivors of a massive plague basically just live as scavengers in the skeletons of the old cities and keep going until nature takes back what civilization had created. Not much to glean from this one IMO.

A good one is "Lucifer's Hammer" by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. It's about an asteroid strike and deals with folks before and after the event. One of the better novels on the subject IMO.

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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2008, 02:40:10 PM »
"Earth Abides"; I forgot I ever started reading the book. It could have been pretty good, but I sat there thinking "Why the heck don't they go up to the Napa Valley area and set up there? Better weather, and lots of fresh fruits and veggies."

Even the Sunnyvale area would have been better, especially back then when most of the valley was in farms.

Got about as far as the water line break and tossed it. (A bit less than half?)

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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2008, 02:42:04 PM »
You didn't miss much. I plowed through to the end but was disappointed.
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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2008, 05:45:04 PM »
This is a must read - very well written and free.http://www.giltweasel.com/stuff/LightsOut-Current.pdf

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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2008, 01:50:32 AM »
  an oldie but still worth a read   " Alas Babylon"
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Re: Best survival or EOTW book?
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2008, 08:29:14 AM »
Patriots: Surviving the Coming Collapse is a very good book.  It is very scary to think about how easily a situation like that could happen today.  I will be looking for the other books that were listed thanks.  I also have the SAS Survival Manual, it is very useful.

I second Patriots by James Rawles.  It is a very readible novel that fills ones mind with all sorts of survival information while being entertained with a great story.  I felt more prepared after reading it, but it also spurred me on to more preparation than I already had in place.  Its a great book and his website survivalblog.com has lots of great info as well.

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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2008, 06:24:40 AM »
"Lights Out" is good. Here's the final version:

http://www.giltweasel.com/stuff/LightsOut-Final.txt

The author needs some pointers on writing style, and I wonder where all the front end loader and backhoe attachments got off to.

I used to argue that nomad bandit groups were not possible because of the rifle and logistical needs of anyone trying to case potential targets. This story shows how it can be made to work by people with a little military back ground and a willingness to use brutal methods to maintain gang security.

An argument I've been in a few times relates to the power grid. Somehow, crashing the entire power grid in the US is supposed to make bringing the grid back up impossible because it's "all tied together". That does not make sense to me.

The author postulated the destruction of most of the phone pole power transformers by EMP. (He did not have the transformers blowing up, though.) Once they are all gone, or mostly gone, commerce will collapse, making replacement of the transformers, and about everything else needing replacement, and the stuff needed to make the replacements, and the stuff needed to order the replacements, impossible to make or order. Stuck in a hole with the ladder and shovel at the top.


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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2009, 04:33:20 AM »
The mentioned Lusifers Hammer and Alsas Babbalon are great books of the type not so much because of the technical survival info, but the social changes and challenges in the after math. I re-read Alas Babbalon" several times when I was young, and it was a study in how some people will cope with the aftermath of a horiffic event. Same for Lusifers Hammer.

No matter how bad it is, the natural inclination of decent people to band together will still be there. We're a social animal, like dogs, and since the cave we've done better teamed up with others of our kind. In any book of the EOTWAWKI, the people story is as interesting as the techniques.
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« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2009, 05:32:47 AM »
citizen soilder is a short book that you may find helpful.
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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2009, 02:05:04 AM »
"The Long Walk" by Slavomir Rawycz (sp?)  True story of five people who escaped from a prison camp in northern Siberia and walked all the way to India during WWII.  Hence the title.  The ones who made it survived some extraordinary hardships.  Well worth the read.  Be warned, once you pick it up you won't want to put it down until you are done.

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« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2009, 07:10:33 PM »
Since the best are already listed, something in the genre is "Dies the Fire." It's a cross between Wicca 101 and a survival book.

I've found movies are useful in getting my wife on board ... like The Postman, and I Am Legend. She's got to see it to understand it.
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« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2009, 06:53:46 AM »
I've found movies are useful in getting my wife on board ... like The Postman, and I Am Legend. She's got to see it to understand it.

The movie The Road, should be out before too long. I hope they do the book justice.
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« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2009, 01:34:53 PM »
I finally picked up a copy of Patriots by James Wesley Rawles. As others have pointed out, its packed with a lot of useful information and very entertaining. Its out in paperback now too if you want to save a little money.
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« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2009, 01:38:50 PM »
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« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2009, 10:53:36 PM »
The Bible, while being long on describing what will befall the planet, is way short of useful information on 'physically' surviving the end times.                                                                               
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