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Offline JimG

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Factory trigger adjustments vs Timney, my thoughts.
« on: August 23, 2007, 06:52:08 AM »
Finally got around to actually checking the trigger pull weight on my .308win. Surprised the heck out of me, was a consistent 6 pounds! Actually feels much lighter but alas it's not. Had really no creep or grittiness's. Actually was a decent trigger had it not been for the heavy pull (that until I checked it I would of never suspected). Soooo....out come the tools. Pull the action from the stock. Pull off tamper resistant 'covers'. Actually the 'covers' are globs of white silicon or similar substance. After several hours of careful adjusting, I've come to the conclusion that Howa trigger groups are well made but lack the refinement AND and anyway to refine them properly that other makes/brands sometimes have. The more you lighten the pull and then compensate for the creep, the grittier the pull. At 1.5# the safety stops working. At 1.75# the safety works about 98% of the time. At 2.25# the safety works 100% but the pull feels terrible. Work your way back up to 4.5# or more and the pull becomes very smooth and nice but of course it's a heavy pull. It's actually very deceiving if you only use your finger vs the trigger weight scale. I don't know if stoning any of the surfaces would work wonders or not but I'm not capable of doing that. I've always shy-ed away from stoning surfaces, you screw up the works if you don't know what to do. I think I'll order a Timney and see if it's worth $90 over the stock trigger. For those who want to tinker with their factory trigger, you need a 7mm 'micro' or igniton type wrench for the stop nuts.

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Re: Factory trigger adjustments vs Timney, my thoughts.
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2007, 07:48:04 AM »
I basicly did the same tinkering with my 270wsm, only i dont have a trigger scale, I also got it light and some of the creep out but then the safety wouldnt work, let me know how that timney works, I got one on my long list of hunting/gun stuff to buy.

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Re: Factory trigger adjustments vs Timney, my thoughts.
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2007, 07:54:10 AM »

I talked with Wayne York...of Oregunsmithing about these triggers...and he does a few things to them that will make them work as well as any of the other triggers on the market...which is doing a s little stoning and spring replacements...They do well...when they have been re-worked...He's going to get to do mine ...after hunting season...

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Re: Factory trigger adjustments vs Timney, my thoughts.
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2007, 08:36:47 AM »
Ive got a Timney in mine. I love it the only bad thing I have to say about it is it made all my other guns triggers feel bad.

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Re: Factory trigger adjustments vs Timney, my thoughts.
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2007, 01:26:25 PM »
Gonna order the Timney tomorrow. Thought about it all day. Timney vs professional smithy working on it. Figured the cost to be about the same so...........

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Re: Factory trigger adjustments vs Timney, my thoughts.
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2007, 08:43:21 AM »
Let us know how the new trigger does. Thanks for the post of your experience thus far. If the timney works well for you that will make several endorsements of the Timney trigger in the Howa rifles and I'll take the plunge.

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Re: Factory trigger adjustments vs Timney, my thoughts.
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2007, 03:54:16 AM »
The factory Howa trigger can feel as good as anything if you know how to do it. The weak link is the trigger blocking safety. Left unmodified, it limits how far you can go to remove creep before it doesn't work. I use a carbide endmill in the Bridgeport and take .010" off the front of the trigger where the safety hits it. Then the usual stoning the engagement surfaces, reducing the diameter of the return spring to get the pull weight I want, and reassemble. Takes all of 15 minutes, and I can give folks a trigger they love without having to buy a Timney. On my personal rifle I also ground off the grooves on the front of the trigger blade and polished it. I like that better, it doesn't eat up my finger so bad after a long day's shooting. 
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Re: Factory trigger adjustments vs Timney, my thoughts.
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2007, 01:27:22 AM »
Mine's at the smith right now, getting a timney installed. He said not to bother with the factory trigger, just put in a timney.

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Re: Factory trigger adjustments vs Timney, my thoughts.
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2007, 04:02:52 AM »
I took my .308 to a local DFW gunsmith and he adjusted perfectly down to 2 lbs. and safety still works fine.  I would have just put on a Timney but he was doing some other work for me and so I added this to the pot. 

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Re: Factory trigger adjustments vs Timney, my thoughts.
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2007, 06:39:44 AM »
I took my .308 to a local DFW gunsmith and he adjusted perfectly down to 2 lbs. and safety still works fine.  I would have just put on a Timney but he was doing some other work for me and so I added this to the pot. 

Cool...did he take it apart and re work it?

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Re: Factory trigger adjustments vs Timney, my thoughts.
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2007, 07:38:33 AM »
I reworked a Savage 110 DL .243.  I had a 6.5x55 Shilen barrel and a timney trigger put on.  The trigger is great.

I have an older 110 that breaks at 4 lbs.  No creep and it breaks clean.  I was wondering about e-z pull trigger assist.  I saw one at the shot show in Orlando.  If it could cut my pull to 2 lbs it would be worth 40.00.

www.ezpulltriggerassit.com

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Re: Factory trigger adjustments vs Timney, my thoughts.
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2007, 03:51:23 PM »
I put a Timney in mine an its the best thing I could have done for it.  Its an easy do-it-yourself kind of a job.  If you watch the various forums sometimes you can find one for 40 bucks or so.  I bought a Howa rifle that had a Timney with it for about 300 bucks.  The guy had the wrong bases on it and couldn't make it shoot.  I kept the trigger, changed the bases and sold the rifle for more than I had in it.  Sweetest deal I've come across in a long time.

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Re: Factory trigger adjustments vs Timney, my thoughts.
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2007, 03:28:56 PM »
Just purchased a Vanguard  SUB MOA in 270 winchester. The trigger pull seems a little heavy when compared to my other rifle. I would like to install a timney trigger on it prior to deer season. How hard is it to do the job yourself  versus getting a gunsmith to do it?  Is there any fitting to be done or will it bolt right in place? Thanks for your help!!!! Enjoying the new forum

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Re: Factory trigger adjustments vs Timney, my thoughts.
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2007, 05:09:10 AM »
Timney sends great instructions along with their triggers.  Just go slow and set the parts that have to be removed aside in the order in which they were removed so you can get them back together in the right order.  Take some pics with a digital camera before you start and as you disassemble if you think it'll help.  If I remember correctly, its pretty simple.  Just punch out 2 pins, remove and replace the trigger assembly and put the 2 pins back in.  The bolt release might come out too, and it might have a spring on it that has to be put back on correctly, but its not hard.  If I can do it, anybody can.  Just read the instructions and make sure you understand them and locate all the parts they're talking about before you take anything off and you should be fine.