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Offline Krag

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.17 Aguila (AKA .17 High Standard)
« on: June 03, 2003, 05:28:30 AM »
Does anyone have any information on what has happened to this round?  Aguila displayed it at the SHOT show in Orlando, and now one of the big houses (Midway, I think) is selling 10/22 barrels for it, but I cannot find the ammo anywhere and Aguila has  removed all mention of it from their web site.  SOMEONE  here must have the story..........(it appeared to be a 22lr necked down to .17) :?:

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.17 Aguila (AKA .17 High Standard)
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2003, 04:54:38 PM »
I personally think it was some ones attempt to jump on the 17cal band wagon. I think it dissapeared before it ever got here. What could it possibly offer that a 22mag or even a hot 22lr doesn't? Worthless idea. Of course this is just my opinion.  KN

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.17 Aguila (AKA .17 High Standard)
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2003, 08:28:53 PM »
I agree with Kn as far as I do not see a use for it as the 22 mag will do every thing this round will do I feel and better. The 17 HMR which I do not have either seems to me to be a lot better round if you want a 17. also I feel the ammo situation on this would be worse than what the 17 HMR is now.  If guys want to shoot it though that is their business. I would email Aquila and see what they say. I tried to do that for you but Hot mail down at the monent so I could not send it. Jim
Said I never had much use for one, never said I didn't know how to use it.

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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2003, 04:44:37 AM »
I had already sent the e-mail to Aguila asking what had happened before I went to you folks for information.  I got no answer from Aguila.  As far as "what is it for?" it would do the same thing for the 22 lr that the 17 HMR did for 22 mag.  I would guess that it would probably provide around 2,000 FPS in a 22 lr format.  Would work through a 22 LR gun, etc.  Maybe there is no purpose for it; maybe that is what has happened to it.  Why is a barrel maker selling replacement barrels for Ruger rifles for it???  Thanks for the opinions.  I take it no one has any more information than I had...........

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.17 Aguila (AKA .17 High Standard)
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2003, 04:46:57 AM »
I will keep looking and if I hear somthing will post it for you. Jim
Said I never had much use for one, never said I didn't know how to use it.

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.17 Aguila (AKA .17 High Standard)
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2003, 01:31:51 PM »
I know a little about this round having held some in my hand and a rifle that is being used to test it in.  I can tall you the chambers for the 17HS and 17Aguila are different. The HS one has about two times the freebore and a different shoulder on it more for the High stander handguns. The test barrel was cut with a custom 17Aguila reamer using a Green MTN barrel blank. The round is running about 1850FPS and is shooting good groups for test conditions lots of wind  I can post a link to the site that has a lot more info on this round but being my first post I don’t want to step out of line so let me know if it’s OK and I will.  
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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2003, 03:29:05 PM »
WBH, One of the rules GB has is guys trying to blatently lure members from his site. As long as you are linking to a other site to give information to members here and not trying to just lure them away that is fine so go ahead. As moderator here it is fine with me and I am sure ok with GB also. Jim
Said I never had much use for one, never said I didn't know how to use it.

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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2003, 03:33:53 AM »
Thanks for the ok on the link here it is http://www.jesseshuntingpage.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=62&t=35860&s=893500098fd08df80e2437f5ed88106f  hope it helps out. I wish it was me doing the testing but it’s not Andy has a lot more info but its in different post on different web site but this covers most every thing in this one and has pics. I’ll see if I can get more info on the chambers and post it here.

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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2003, 03:58:56 AM »
Her is some more info on the round from Andy I just wish I was testing it.
This is an addicting little cartridge. I have all but burned up the first box of ammo and have been getting some very good and consistent grouping. I have been shooting three shot groups because of the limited ammo supply but my last three shot 50M group was .23" with a fairly stiff tail wind. Once I seasoned the barrel a bit the groups hae stayed in the .25" to .4" range and all have been fired in a unrelenting wind. On the promise of some more ammo I pulled a bullet from a live round. This is a channelured, apparently true jacketed bullet that weighed 20.1 grains The powder was a spherical flake that filled the casing up to about the base of the bullet.(I spilled a bit removing the bullet so I didn't weigh it.) I am told that the powder is US made but the bullets are produced at Aguila's plant.
I have noticed that Brownells and others are selling "17 High Standard" equipment. I have verified that the Aguila chamber and the Hi Standard chamber are lightly different. Both will shoot the 17 Aguila cartridge safely but I'm betting on higher velocities from the Aguila chamber due to the lack of a .328"-long free-bore found in the HS version. My bolt-gun velocities were right at 1850 ft/sec.
Centurion Ordnance, Aguila's US importer/distributor is sticking by this month for deliverys to outfits like Natchez Shooter's Supply and others, and the cartridge is listed in their current catalogue. Should be a fine small game round. ~Andy

Here is his post on the 2 different chambers
It's a drawn out and complicated story but I'll condense it into one line, I hope. The 17 High Standard and the 17 Aguila CHAMBERS both fire the 17 Aguila CARTRIDGE. The dimensions of the actual chambers are different. The HS chamber is longer between the rim-face snd the shoulder than the 17 Aguila is. Also, the 17 High Standard has a .328" free-bore. I suspect this is to reduce pressures, or delay/retard blow-back in HS's lightly bolted semi auto pistols.
While High Standard is producing and marketing barrels in this chambering, the 17 High Standard, the only ammo that will be available is the "17 Aguila" ammunition I have been describing here. The cartridge has a 20 grain JHP at a listed velocity of 1850 ft per sec. I saw today that Brownells is offering HS barrels for the 10/22 for $259. This is about the price HS offered me 6 weeks ago.
Why the two different names? I don't know. Aguila (Centurion) says they have no idea why HS is calling the cartridge by their own label and will tell you flat out that the cartridge is the 17 AGUILA. All I can figure is that the actual chambers are different enough so that HS can claim proprietary chambering: meaning that they sell guns chambered for the 17 High Standard, but in which the 17 Aguila cartridge can be safely used. There's no confirming that but it's the only thing I can think of. Hope that helps. ~Andy

Me I’m holding out till Some other unnamed barrel maker starts selling 10/17Aguila barrels that will drop into a 10/22LR.

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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2003, 04:59:28 AM »
Just got this email for your info:

We have been delayed on delivery until August
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>Jaimee Chapman
>Sales Rep
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>Centurion Ordnance, Inc.
>11614 Rainbow Ridge
>Helotes, Tx 78023
>210 695 4602 Fax: 210 695 4603
>sales@aguilaammo.com
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.17 Aguila (AKA .17 High Standard)
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2003, 09:38:04 AM »
Here is an up date on this round from Andrew
http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=48999

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